Rare inside look at Foxconn reveals how Apple products are made (video)
1. ddxmms (Posts: 167; Member since: 09 Feb 2012)
and that's what you can call product diversity..
2. theBankRobber (Posts: 674; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)
Did he just say work 10 hours a day at less then $1.50 an hour?? No wonder apple has so much money and can't bring work back to the US.
9. cellgeek82 (Posts: 518; Member since: 20 Dec 2009)
But is that US dollars? US dollars in some counties is a lot of money. Someone help me with this subject. I really don't know what equivalent of currency they're getting paid.
10. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
according to foxcon they make around 30-35 cents an hour, way less than that $1.50. They have also admitted to 24+ hr shifts.
What a nice uber positive spin on this place. I wonder how much apple pays for this type of marketing.
The FLA has already been found to be corrupt and working for apple. They are not unbiased.
i cant wait to see all the mindless izombies come rushing in and bring their "i told u so's" like there was real truth to this little blurb.
15. ZEUS.the.thunder.god (unregistered)
totally agree with you and i hope i dont get another love mail from PA for this lol
16. dreammixer (banned) (Posts: 81; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
Funny how you believe anything negative and discredit everything else. Also you use a Microsoft pc right? Well Microsoft uses Foxconn too and their factory just had a mass suicide pact.
You're a hypocrite and a troll
24. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Microsoft does not use foxconn to manufacture Windows SOFTWARE.. lol.
My PC was made by Dell, in india. I checked the serial numbers. Generally I make my own PCs though.
Again, for the 400th time, I have not bought a single thing from foxconn since learning of their tradgedies. It is part of my decision process now. Sorry you dont have enough mindset to do the same.
26. dreammixer (banned) (Posts: 81; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
Microsoft that makes windows software is the same company that makes Xbox's in Foxconn. You're contributing to their profit by using their software. Since you're a man of principle you should stop using Windows and make a stand. Also you should buy only American made clothes. Nothing from Mexico, China etc due to poor working conditions there. Do you drive a gas powered car? May want to reconsider that too.
32. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
you have got to be taco, as those are the dumbest and least logical jumps I've seen in quite a while.
my arguement is to not support goods manufactured by such means. software developed by Americans and made by an automatic press have nothing to do with that.
the biggest purpetrators of clothing abuses are the biggest name brands. tell me who makes clothes ethically with proof and ill buy them
what the hell does buying a gas powered car have to do with anything?
get a better arguement
35. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
Foxconn manufactures products for companies including:
(country of headquarters in parentheses)
Acer Inc. (Taiwan)
Amazon.com (United States)
Apple Inc. (United States)
Cisco (United States)
Dell (United States)
Gateway (United States)
Hewlett-Packard (United States)
Intel (United States)
Microsoft (United States)
Motorola Mobility (United States)
Samsung (South Korea)
Toshiba (Japan) 
Vizio (United States)
courtesy of Wikipedia.. Remix
36. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
courtesy of "you have pulled that list a half dozen times and I'm going to give you the same answer "
the ONLY thing I have on that list is my xboxes. and since I got them at launch I had no idea about worker conditions at foxconn.
my Samsung phone was made by Samsung at a Samsung plant and my dell computer was made in India at a non foxconn plant. you can look your devices up by the serial numbers on them.
40. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
ok whatever makes you happy... remix... I will be happy to take that Xbox from you since it was made in evil Foxconn..
42. dreammixer (banned) (Posts: 81; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
and your Dell laptop lol. Wow just wow you really don't see how stupid you look.
45. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
hey taco.. it has to be taco.. even has the same lack of reading comprehension.
I dont have a dell laptop, its a desktop made in India and not by foxconn. I just said that. u think dell and all these companies use just one producer for all their products? lololol. sad sad taco.
21. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
do u have any proof for ur claims? or are they just responses to facts u cant handle…
additionally, why is this all focused on apple when many many many other tech companies all use foxconn? and according to this article, these are even some of the better conditions…
i feel sorry for the workers, but honestly its not americas problem, nor apples, nor any other tech companies… its china's problem and if they think it is so horrible then they need to fix it…
23. dreammixer (banned) (Posts: 81; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
I don't think remix has any interest in facts that don't support his irrational hatred of Apple.
25. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
seriously, has anyone at PA run a check on dreammixer for taco-in-disguise?
27. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
" announced that it had raised the wages of junior level factory workers in Shenzhen from 1,800RMB (US$290) to 2,200RMB ($349) a month."
"According to China Daily again, the move for having factories move inland is because it has become too expensive to continue in Shenzhen. The pay rate at Foxconn Hebei (in north China) is only 1,080RMB a month."
(1,080.00 RMB = 171.525 USD)
" In the Chengdu facility — where Foxconn employees put together the iPad — staff could expect a grueling 80 to 100 hours of overtime, on top of the 174 regular work hours."
lets do some math
174 working hours + 100 overtime hours (and they get no differential) = 274 hrs.
349 a month (on the brand new payscale) / 274 hrs =
They just got a raise to $1.27 an hour. And thats at the "expensive" plant. According to multiple reports, Foxconn is trying to move to interior china where it can keep labor prices low. This is the factories where the iphone and xbox are made
$172 a month / 274 hrs a month = $0.63 AFTER the raise. THIS is the Chendu factory where your iproducts are made.
Why dont you try taking your blinders off and actually doing your own research for once? or are you too afraid of what logic and truth will show you?
28. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
okay first off i was asking for proof that fla was overridden with apple corruption, which you obviously did not supply..
i am well aware of how horrible things are in china-- very similar to industrial revolution working conditions… i dont see why u think i dont see this… i simply said this people have better conditions than others in china, which they do… a dollar might not seem like a lot per hour, but it doesnt take much to live in china-- they have a better job than many chinese
again, i dont doubt things are bad in china as u blindly think i do, but i do think it is china's problem.. not americas… china will sort itself out but it is not for us to interfere with their problems
31. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
that was provided in the last article about the positive reports by another member. it's not my fault u didn't read it, refuse to educate yourself on the issue by a simple Google search, nor is it my responcibility to continually provide the same links over and over again because you and the other blind apple supporters can't remember one thread to the next.
39. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
so basically u dont have one to show me that directly says that "The FLA has already been found to be corrupt and working for apple"
51. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
The FLA is a corperate sponsored and directed front group for good publicity.
"The association was founded in 1999, by universities and nonprofit groups, along with Nike, Liz Claiborne and several other American apparel companies that said they were eager to eliminate workplace abuses; "
The worst offenders in the apparel world founded the FLA. Do you really think they founded the company to change themselves, which they could have done without the company... or do u think its a front group for positive "official looking" press?. Do you really think that apparel working conditions have dramatically improved since 1999? The fox is guarding and inspecting the hen house and telling you everything is fine.
"The association’s monitors inspected 190 factories in 2010, out of the 4,703 supplier factories that its member companies use. While that represents 4 percent of the factories, each company is required to do an annual assessment of each factory."
- you see that? each company does ITS OWN assessment the majority of the time. How much change do you think that brings? OI...
here is a list of people that donate to the FLA. Do some research yourself and see how many of those companys have been dinged for excessive human rights issues. There are quite a few.
The FLA is a company that was started by Nike and other apparel manufacturers to "bring change" to the apparel business. It is paid for almost exclusively by apparel companies.
Ask your self why a group of apparel companies would create an outside company to look at themselves. Why dont they just make the changes themselves if they are serious? Because the FLA sounds nice so it makes for nice publicity. This way they get to "talk about" making changes instead of actually "making" changes.
52. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
okay so its overrun with apparel moguls? how is that overrun with apple corruption?
i do not doubt conditions are bad in china-- already stated that, but what i dont believe is that apple rules over the fla which u still havent legitimized…
53. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Apple is a paid, donating member to the FLA. Again, the FLA's job is to "improve working conditions". Do YOU really think that the FLA is actually going to improve the conditions of its donor members?
And BTW, the FLA seems to ONLY inspect its donor members. It does not random inspect other companies. If you noticed, the FLA never had a single interest in inspecting Apple, until Apple started paying FLA dues.
Do you really not find that fishy at all? Does that sound like an up and up company that is really fighting the good fight to improve workers conditions. Or does it sound more like a shell company designed to improve public relations for companies with bad worker's rights issues? Considering the list of "donors", I'd bet a paycheck its the later, not the former.
Just honestly think about that for a second.
56. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
okay, so if it was a completely corrupt system, how has it managed to survive for 13 years?
again i dont think working conditions are great… but i dont think they are worse than anywhere else in china-- most likely even better
58. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
can you tell me of all the corrupt entities that have been weeded out in the last 13 years? How many politicians have gone down in flames for corruption? How many businesses? Extremely few. In the real world, the bad guys win more often than losing.
60. Lucas777 (Posts: 2137; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
ever heard of bernie madoff?
i guess i really can't argue against such a negative outlook…
oh and read the article about apple letting other organizations look at their factories… u might like that one ;)
61. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
read it. its only 2 of the factories of apples choosing. I'd be impressed if it was 2 of the factories of the inspection companies choosing. I havent looked up the company yet to see if its another corperate shell.
Bernie Madoff was 1 guy out of thousands of people robbing the system. And he had to have a crazy mega ponzi scheme running for years before he got caught. The ratio of "do bad things and get caught" is pretty darn low over all.
Its not negative so much as it is realistic. The system is set up that way on purpose.
12. frustyak (Posts: 202; Member since: 08 Mar 2010)
Apple wouldn't be able to afford to manufacture iPads in the US. The US minimum wage would make the end product unaffordable, and no one would buy it.
13. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)
I think that's the balance no one wants to deal with. This isn't meant as a defense for Apple at all. But we Americans want our products cheap. Companies keep products cheap by putting labor off shores. But then American's want jobs. But if companies put their manufacturing back in the US, costs would go up...and no one wants that.
On another note, I still think this says more about China than it does Apple. But I hope this expose brings about some kind of change, either from Foxconn or Apple's ability to put some weight on Foxconn. If Foxconn can randomly throw out a 25% raise to ALL of their employees so easily, then they aren't exactly hurting on money (Foxconn, that is).
19. theBankRobber (Posts: 674; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)
I would rather see people with jobs then phones and other items they don't need.
29. -box- (Posts: 3990; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
I disagree. U.S.-built cars are competitively priced with similar cars built outside of the U.S, as are food, household products, and other manufactured goods. The reason apple has around a 70% profit margin is the low wages of the factory and foundry workers, strict (and harshly maintained) supply line, and the proximity of the factories to the locations where the components and raw materials are sourced. Apple could still make the products in the U.S. and turn a profit, and sell the devices for the same amount, but the logistics would be much more difficult and the shareholders and rich folk who profit from shaving 1/100 of a cent from a component wouldn't agree to it
30. dreammixer (banned) (Posts: 81; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
Apple has no where near 70% profit margin
33. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
wow u really have zero memory. we literally just went over this last week with proof. iPhones,pads,and pods sell at a 70% profit margin even after labor is factored in.
43. dreammixer (banned) (Posts: 81; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
You were proven wrong actually going into your kitchen and cooking up your own numbers doesn't make it right. I got my numbers from Apple's official Q1 report
46. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
your numbers were ... again... for the over all company profit. not profit for iDevices.. which is specifically what we are talking aabout
50. dreammixer (banned) (Posts: 81; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
Your numbers didn't include cost for marketing, customer support, retail stores, r&d etc. You're not able to put together coherent thoughts. Sorry for you.
54. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i see your time away didnt make you any brighter, taco. U still have zero idea about anything you are talking about.
3. jaytai0106 (Posts: 1886; Member since: 30 Mar 2011)
Minimum wage is lower in China to begin with... But I totally don't believe what they show on the camera. Come on! Who can't put on their "best behavior" while on camera. Apple takes their consumers' money and doesn't give it back in any form. Having billions of dollars in the bank and not invest for anything?? No wonder people are getting poorer in the U.S.
7. andro. (Posts: 1997; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
These are the workers who were persuaded not to commit suicide and instead were forced into doing a video for apple
11. cellphonator (Posts: 298; Member since: 29 Oct 2011)
They should open also other facilities in China to see how everybody else is doing, just for curiosity.
14. InspectorGadget80 (unregistered)
And why would Apple fans boycott FoxConn? When their are the ones buying Apple products produce by FoxConn.
17. dreammixer (banned) (Posts: 81; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
This is good for Foxconn workers. Poor working conditions overseas ate nothing new. From shoes, shirts to electronics. Apple's popularity is bringing attention to Foxconn and the end result will be improved working conditions.
18. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
at least they are getting some attention and some changes will happen . of course the hater will hate so for those people nothing will satisfied them, I applauded Apple for at least taking an initiative... on this
20. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
for those that just whine to whine.. you know who you are.. The republic of China is amongst the lowest when it comes to pay,,, Apple has nothing to do with that...
so please stop these nonsense.. I feel for the people in China.. have lots of respect for them, as what they do.. half of us will never do it... but it is what it is..
34. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
what you and Your other blind supporters don't seem to get is that it's not just the payscale.. which is horrid, it's the over all treatment of the workers that pisses everyone off. the payscale is not enough to even be considered middle class by Chinese standards. that's the least horrible part of the equasion when compared to the mandatory 24+ HR work shifts, and multiple other abuses comitted by apple foxconn
37. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
look don't come with your sad story.. ok.. that happens in lots of 3rd world countries.. ok . nothing new.. dude so calm down and your problem is with Foxconn not Apple. here is their information .. is time you really do something...
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38. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
no my problem is with the apathy and blind defence of apple no matter what atrocities they commit, that all you crazed iNuts seem to collectively have.
if it was Samsung in report after report instead of apple you would be calling for heads to roll.. and I still would be making the same arguments.
but since it's apple u can't see past your stupidly blind alegance to an extraordinarily greedy, pompus, and anti human rights company.
nothing will ever change unless u look past your own beak and take even a minor stand for someone else.
41. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
first of all calm down.. nobody supports slavery around here.. ok get that straight... I just don't see why we have to blame Apple for everything... those workers are not under Apple payroll they are a 3rd party suppliers... the working conditions in China are devastating... but is China fault.. not Apple... when I lived in Mexico 15 years ago.. there was a Bose plant.. that paid around 25.00 a week to their hard workers.. they cheated us of overtime and we could barely sustain ourselves but never blamed Bose.. ever.. I blamed my government for allowing this... so unless you have lived it... what you think makes no difference not to me or those overworked and underpaid workers.. good that you at least took a stand.. but since you keep repeating yourself like you want an award... is doing the opposite...
47. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
you go after the head of the snake and the rest will fall in line. the biggest company on that list is apple. the company with all the suicides is apple. the company with the exploding factories under it's belt is apple. only an idiot would ask why apple over the other companies that foxconn works for.
when foxconn says that each factory's conditions and pay scale are set by the client, I'd believe them for at least that much as its been proven over and over.
ahhh look taco and gallito back together again. I can see the conversations going back down a few notches again.. where's miz and Gemini to round out the iStupidity.
49. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
the head of the snake is Foxconn itself.. so the people that commit suicide because the wife/husband left them.. we should blame the wife/husband?. hmm nop. I believe that we are responsible for our actions...I highly doubt that they commited suicide because of Apple and unless we know all the details which I know you dont.. you cant point the finger at Apple.. go after the head snake Foxconn , they called their employess animasl.. not Apple.. ok.
55. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
The head of the Snake is Apple. Foxconn is merely the skeleton that connects the different pieces. Apple is bigger than pretty much all the other companies that foxconn supplies combined.
If apple truly demanded changes, then foxcon would jump and do as Apple demanded. Apple themselves said in an article barely a week ago, that they prefer Chinese companies because if they want to change things on a dime, foxconn will change on a dime.
Foxconn bows to Apple, not the other way around.
57. gallitoking (Posts: 4718; Member since: 17 May 2011)
They bow to money... and if Apple has so much power.. isnt this a start... maybe this is the start of better things for those workers... I understand that you are upset.. but all this attention may lead to something positive...
59. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
if it wasnt by a company that apple is actually paying to do "independant" reports, I'd take it more seriously. The FLA's track record is pretty small compared to the paychecks from the companies it works for, like Nike, who is a king among slave traders.
44. dreammixer (banned) (Posts: 81; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
ha ha remix made to look the buffoon he is.
22. xiobnb (Posts: 74; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)
oh sure.. just take a camera into there and the workers will tell them the bads things about their boss when their bosses are standing next to the camera... what a f**king bs..
48. RazaAsad (Posts: 100; Member since: 24 Nov 2011)
FLA is corrupt and Apple is its corporate donor.