HTC (M)10 seen in the flesh, blazes through AnTuTu leaving the competition behind
1. tyrionTheWise (unregistered)
I'm so excited for this phone. Not because of the antutu of course. If HTC manages the battery life well, this phone can definitely leave the disappointing S7 and G5 in dust.
Camera should be an easy win with IMX 377 and OIS.
6. marorun (Posts: 3393; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
IF they dont remove adopt sd feature this phone has my name on it.
8. tyrionTheWise (unregistered)
What if you want to factory reset your phone?
Adopt SD is made for android one phones with 8 gb internal storage. There's a reason google or apple don't put SD cards in their phones.
33. wargreymon (Posts: 679; Member since: 05 Nov 2013)
You can add adopt SD to phones without root. So I don´t see the problem.
77. nithyakr (Posts: 149; Member since: 20 Jun 2014)
I've read somewhere if you adopt SD, then your PC or any other card reader will not be able to read it since the phone formats and encrypts the SD card as an Internal Memory. So Even if you have the SD card you will not able to use it with any other device.
That's why Samsung didn't add that feature to the S7 series.
78. Ericzhf (Posts: 17; Member since: 27 Nov 2012)
That is not true, you can format it what ever you want on PC, and use it on phone and any other device.
87. j2001m (Posts: 2842; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)
He was on about you unable to use the card to transfer images and so in to the of by putting in the card, this is true, also if the phone goes wrong or gets reset, you cards info is also gone
89. MotoFoner (Posts: 34; Member since: 11 May 2015)
Just plug the phone to the PC via USB, or Air Droid. What's wrong with you people - are you stuck in 2008?
79. Anonn (Posts: 230; Member since: 04 Jun 2014)
Get Adoptable SD Card Storage On Galaxy S7/Edge.
NO ROOT Required
86. j2001m (Posts: 2842; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)
It's clear the phone only got 1080p screen or they cheated, by making it run as 1080p mode or way over clocking the CPU and so on, the sd820 can not get this score with a 2 k screen
Htc as cheated big time and had modes to do so in the setting, so the score is crap
11. Shocky (unregistered)
Sometimes you make a lot of sense and then you make comments like this and I'm left wondering if someones hacked your account. :D
14. tyrionTheWise (unregistered)
What exactly is wrong in my comment? Camera alone is enough reason to not switch to S7 or G5. S7 is actually a degrade from S6 in camera and G5 has the same camera as G4.
Add to the fact that how much of an HTC fan I used to be in the days of m7, and I can't be less excited.
21. Shocky (unregistered)
Okay, I'll humor you.
In what way is the Galaxy S7 camera a downgrade? other than the number of Megapixels of course.
27. SYSTEM_LORD (Posts: 450; Member since: 05 Oct 2015)
Because it traded things instead of simply improving all around like the S6's camera did over the S5.
Given the same PP, detail suffers when you drop the MP count. Period. Also, there was no need to make all the sensor's pixels dualies. If 25% of them were, it would yield essentially the same effect to consumers. And they cheaped out and didn't go with a bigger sensor which would have made the virtues of the camera even better.
37. Shocky (unregistered)
They only traded detail which from what I've seen the 12MP shooter does pretty well at anyway.
38. tyrionTheWise (unregistered)
It boasts on being the low light king but gets beaten badly to 6p. See MKBHD review or any review. And gets destroyed in daylight by S6 in sunlight. Not to mention nexus 6P.
With S6 you had an amazing normal camera, and a decent low light camera. With manual mode and a 10$ gorilla pod, I can pull off shots that are considered impossible by phone standards.
With S7 you lost resolution, but they didn't alter their image processing algorithms. As a result, S7 loses a lot of detail due to terrible sharpening and noise reduction. And what do you get in return is a marginally better low light camera. What more, you lose the excellent 16:9 mode at full res.
I can take out my S6 and proudly say that it beats any phone in at least one area.
With S7 you just get a jack of all trades, master of none. Nexus 6P or even the cheap 5X beats it in any condition. If you can't beat a 6-month old phone that costs 300$ less in even one lighting condition, you are a loser.
40. Shocky (unregistered)
Seems fine to me
Please don't post anything from Erica, her and her "boyfriend" have an agenda.
Sounds to me like your butt hurt the Galaxy S7 has a better camera than your Galaxy S6 and you're desperately trying to convince yourself otherwise.
48. tyrionTheWise (unregistered)
Hahaha. DxOmark is a joke. Do you really think the Z5 has a better camera than S6? Or the iPhone 5S has a better camera than lumia 1020 or pureview 808?
DxoMark has been posting bullcrap articles for years.
I admit that there are better cameras than my S6 for months now, like the 6P or 5X. But the S7 is not one of them.
Here's from the MKBHD. review. S7 is shamefully bad in low light despite having that brighter lens and OIS.
Please don't post DxOMark links. Only desperate Sony fanboys do it since it's the only source that rates Sony phones high.
50. Shocky (unregistered)
I've had hands on with the Galaxy S7 myself and done comparisons to my Galaxy S6 and it handles low light much better from my experience, most of that was due to the fast autofocus imo.
So I'm strongly learning towards DxOMark being correct.
I'll try MKBHD's link when I get the chance, currently in work. :D
60. torr310 (Posts: 800; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)
I agree DxOMark isn't a creditable website. Sony Z series just take crappy pictures.
I also agree camera on S7 is faster and has better night shots. (just switched from S6 to S7)
I would get HTC10 if the battery lasts longer because S7 (SD820) is only slightly better than the S5.
56. Macready (Posts: 874; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)
Yes, yes, youtube comparisons from random individuals are so much more useful as a source to compare cameras.
Keep your credibility up by avoiding nonsensical arguments. At least DXO has data to back up their claim. You may not agree with how they weigh their data, but it's still objective data, not some random video without any standardized methods.
63. TywinTheWiser (Posts: 2; Member since: 24 Mar 2016)
Come now. The mkbhd is literally creating the one use case where the s7 currently would lose. In the DXO review it literally says as a con " Under a tungsten light source, a warm/yellow cast is visible." now how would this manifest in a night shot... as grainy noise of course. So it seems like a deliberate choice here to be controversial and get those youtube views. The only downside i see is in daylight the potential for light blowouts because of the apeture..but this can easily be corrected on the software side....
68. rd_nest (Posts: 1593; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)
MKBHD is an idiot.
Here's the proof:https://www.youtube.com/watch?
88. TywinTheWiser (Posts: 2; Member since: 24 Mar 2016)
Wow. That means my pentium II is the best chip ever!
76. mixedfish (Posts: 1156; Member since: 17 Nov 2013)
LMAO DXO is a joke? Maybe try reading it rather than looking at the scores and you'll find how wrong you are. But you are always wrong anyway.
Everything beats the Lumia 1020 and 808 because both cameras are let down in score by the video capabilities (first reason why initial score seems low). They also suffer from chromatic aberration (and soft edges) and DXO doesn't re-review cameras after any significant updates which the 1020 and 808 received in order to achieve the picture quality we associate them with.
To further how wrong you are, the S7 has a full sensor phase detection layer. If that is not a class leading feature, what is?
82. Shocky (unregistered)
He posted one example, only a idiot would come to a conclusion based on that.
Was he cherry picking by any chance because he's a big fan of the Nexus 6p? He's not infallible.
As others have probably said already, DxO highlighted areas where the S7 camera was not coping too well, this appears to be one of those cases.
They may fix this in future updates.
84. tyrionTheWise (unregistered)
Just like Samsung fixes things with updates, that will probably happen next year in March when it gets android N.
51. rubyonrails3 (Posts: 251; Member since: 01 Oct 2014)
S7 might have better camera than S6 but Nexus 6p resolve more detail from scene and I have Nexus 6p and S7 edge but for my taste 6p images are better cuz you can zoom in and no sharpening and a lot of detail best camera in term of resolved details. S7 images are brigther in doubt but when you zoom they show over sharpening a lot.
58. Macready (Posts: 874; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)
No it won't, in RAW, that faster lens helps the S7 beat the 6P handily and even using the mediocre in camera jpeg engines and auto modes, the S7 does better in many low light tests (less noise, more fine detail, see the British bank note):
70. keithtae (Posts: 353; Member since: 25 Mar 2015)
Lmao. Even Phonearena recent post saying there is NO trade off from 16mp to 12mp for the s7 camera. Get your eyes checked
24. SYSTEM_LORD (Posts: 450; Member since: 05 Oct 2015)
Yeah, S6 had great camera and processing. All they had to do, seeing as how they made the phone thicker, was:
1) increase the sensor size to 1/2.4" or 1/2.3"
2) increase aperture as they did on S7
3) keep the MP the same
And LG? Why the bet on a dual lens system? Unless one of the lens carries a narrower FoV for better detail at a given distance, modifications for better low light, or something more useful than super wide angle (that creates an ugly barrel effect), they should only use dual lens if the lens work together to create a better image ala compound eyes in animals.
59. Fardon (Posts: 95; Member since: 24 Nov 2014)
Dont know about great processing.
It oversharpened and smudged low light photos especially, still the same for the most part in the S7.
Which is off putting but HTC is dog s**t I'll be getting the S7.
26. johanbiff (Posts: 388; Member since: 31 Mar 2015)
actually, the S7 camera is really good and fast AF! getting better pictures with the S7 camera than the S6..but there is improments still that can be made sure! but you also need to keep in mind that the SW is not mature yet, it will get even better :)
47. Shocky (unregistered)
The fast AF is amazing, went to a party recently and tried taking pictures of a cake under low lighting with the Galaxy S6 and unsurprisingly they turned out blurry and a bit blotchy.
My friends Galaxy S7 had no issues at all, sharp images with more detail.
I was jealous, I must admit.
74. KONICHIWA-ANNYONG (Posts: 210; Member since: 24 Feb 2016)
No Stereo Speakers and SD expansion = FAIL on HTC's part.
...because then it wouldn't really be an HTC anymore.
20. johanbiff (Posts: 388; Member since: 31 Mar 2015)
always liked HTC time when we had the M7..but after that not so much..hopefully the M10 change my mind again..although the S7 edge is a real nice phone, if HTC can have a good camera and good batterylife..I may change to a HTC later on.
30. Fardon (Posts: 95; Member since: 24 Nov 2014)
dont say that you'll have the anti HTC circle jerk attacking lol.
35. SYSTEM_LORD (Posts: 450; Member since: 05 Oct 2015)
Was looking forward to a number of phones, but lack of US availablity for Xiamoi, LG with an un-upgraded cam and likely underwhelming battery, Samsung with disappointing battery life given a 3,000mAh cell and no serious new changes, and Sony apparently abandoning the compact line for favor of the mid-ground X-series, has left me with few options.
It's sad to say, being a fan of android, that the iPhone SE looks to be a great phone that shows all the right differences from the 6/6s including price. Ouch. It hurt to admit that.
OnePlus 3, Meizu (if the rumors of Exynos 8 in the Pro are true), and HTC are all that's left. OP3 and HTC--the 10 and A9's successor likely w/ SD625--are the hopefuls.
52. PhoneCritic (Posts: 685; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)
I am excited too. I hope HTC just take their time fine tuning their camera software. Even Sony themselves, with certain models, failed to fully take advantage of their own sensor and having their phone lag behind in comparison to others like LG and Samsung. And as of late HTC has not been known for its optic capabilities I think here the have the opportunity to hit a home run. I don't want to see them fail at all. However, I have to admit Samsung has greatly improved its offering and now all Android OEM's must bring their "A" game and we the Consumer will benefit.
55. Macready (Posts: 874; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)
"Camera should be an easy win"
Even if if the sensor happens to be a1/2.3", it's going to make about a quarter of a stop difference at best with equal lens speed (f/1.7). But no one will notice 1/4 EV difference in pictures (you need eagle eyes to see 1/3 EV difference in noise) and you can be rather sure of the fact that the lens will be slower, most likely more than 1/4 EV slower...
64. pmsap (Posts: 78; Member since: 26 May 2015)
The phone design let's much to wonder... Even if it matches S7's cpu/gpu and camera the design... mehh...
Besides, for what I've read the waterproofing has some tradeoff with sound and microphone quality. But at least samsung is trying to improve things. Not yet there? Maybe. But going there. For me, the waterproof tech is a very nice one to have.
72. FriendlyFoe09 (Posts: 66; Member since: 09 Jan 2012)
What's the point of benchmarks if the phone doesn't work in real life. Like previous HTCs. They just keep getting things wrong.
2. NoAllegiance (Posts: 151; Member since: 21 Mar 2016)
This could very well be the first HTC device I actually think will be a success, since the One M7. Do not get me wrong, M8 and M9 were good, but not as successors to the M7.
29. Coconut00 (Posts: 474; Member since: 13 Jan 2015)
The M8 was quite good and praised as many because it went against the Galaxy S5, the most hated Galaxy ever. With the M9, though, they dropped the ball and it went against the Galaxy S6 which was seen as the best Galaxy since at least the S3.
54. VZWuser76 (Posts: 3928; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
That's not saying much, at least in terms of my experience. I had the S3 and it's the reason I haven't had another Samsung device. It was great for the first month or so, after which the performance and battery life took a downturn.
The GPS on that thing was bad out of the box, constantly searching for a signal, which I'm sure didn't help on battery life either. I never had GPS issues on the HTC devices I had before it, nor on the Moto and Nexus devices I've had since.
I always see the new Samsung's and want to pick one up, but my experience with the S3 always makes me reconsider it.
90. Coconut00 (Posts: 474; Member since: 13 Jan 2015)
IMO it was the most hated because of a weak design and the fact that it was a minor upgrade to the S4, which was a minor upgrade to the S3 according to many. Similar to what happened with the HTC One M9.
3. natypes (Posts: 1081; Member since: 02 Feb 2015)
Good for them. Hope they hit a home run with this device and things pick up for them. Making a device that has top notch hardware, build and gets quick updates has to be a winner.
Might be a good stock to take a look at as well.
4. Trakker (Posts: 283; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)
I don't really care about benchmarks and more interested how it runs in daily use for how much it lags with a load of apps installed.
7. marorun (Posts: 3393; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
Year after year HTC beat mostly every competitor on speed and fluidity what killed them was bad camera mostly.
the M9 can keep more apps open than the S6 and is overall faster as well.
13. Shocky (unregistered)
Don't forget Snapdragon 810 with the heavy throttling and terrible battery life.
I know you want to forget it and pretend it never happened, but it did. :D
31. GreenMan (Posts: 1016; Member since: 09 Nov 2015)
@Shocky Fan Boys always pretend to be oblivious of the shortcomings their "Mother-Ship" suffers from... Typical, I'd say...
BTW, If its running on an SD820 then I see no reason why it should score more than The Galaxy S7...
It's the same bloody chipset, isn't it?
39. Shocky (unregistered)
HTC are still using app optimizations so I wouldn't pay much attention to it.
53. w1000i (Posts: 66; Member since: 22 Jul 2015)
No, The kernel inside which control the cpu with the software plays big factor in performance.
71. Vagabondjonez (Posts: 34; Member since: 21 Jan 2016)
Optimization sir, that's the name of the game. Meizu was able to score even higher I believe
17. Trakker (Posts: 283; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)
I agree older Samsung phones had horrific ram management issues, but 2 weeks with the S7 and Samsung really have stepped up their game and I've never seen another phone that comes close.