Galaxy S7 costs Samsung $255 to make
1. Rafishant (Posts: 223; Member since: 13 Oct 2015)
And many people are still calling Apple for "customers rip-off"!
2. adi9764 (Posts: 41; Member since: 16 Feb 2016)
The iphone 6s costs less than 200 dollars to manufacture and apple spend less money on ads and that stuff plus you get a gear vr with the s7 plus 6 paid games for free and you get galaxy gifts and also if you use samsung pay you will get a free 30$ gift card
6. SamsungPhanboy (banned) (Posts: 765; Member since: 31 Mar 2015)
It's time for people to understand this:
If you are going to call Apple phones overpriced, Samsung phones are also overpriced.
It costs around 236 to make a 6s
It costs around 255 to make a S7
They both sell around 700 bucks unlocked. How the hell does anyone come to the conclusion that one is overpriced when the margin is this similar? Phonearena readers are getting dumber by the minute.
If anything Samsung and Apple phones are overpriced compared to the Nexus 6P and similarly priced phones.
9. natypes (Posts: 1081; Member since: 02 Feb 2015)
I'm pretty sure people call Apple devices overpriced for the lack of value they provide and the not really profit-per-phone.
14. AllFanboysMatter (Posts: 57; Member since: 14 Feb 2016)
This is the most idiotic comment I have ever seen on phonearena.
LACK OF VALUE!????
1. Millions value the iPhone, which is why they purchase the device year after year. It's a solid product
2. You easily get the best resale value out of any phones with an iPhone. If you try to argue this you're an absolute moron.
3. You do realize value is subjective right? I use Android for instance, but my family and far less tech savvy people absolutely love iPhones. They are easy to use, and work very well.
Phonearena needs to start banning all of these iPhone hating morons who only believe it's acceptable to own an Android phone.
21. natypes (Posts: 1081; Member since: 02 Feb 2015)
Son, did I once say that was MY opinion? Your own "3." SHOULD have answered your own objections anyway. If you had the forethought to think of that first, maybe you'd realize the rest of your post was irrelevant babble.
26. AllFanboysMatter (Posts: 57; Member since: 14 Feb 2016)
....Son, 1 through 3 are actually facts...
Turn your device off immediately and consult a reading comprehension specialist.
Also, way to NOT rebuttal my point. That's such a terrible way to argue. You basically are saying you don't have a counter argument. Damn you're an idiot.
38. submar (Posts: 406; Member since: 19 Sep 2014)
3- You are so right about less tech savvy. One of my friend bought iphone 6s, and he didn't know anything about 3d touch until I show him.
86. marorun (Posts: 3384; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
Submar nearly 50% of my clients using iphone NEVER installed 1 application on the device and all they do on it is : phone call , text , email and bit of navigation.
121. submar (Posts: 406; Member since: 19 Sep 2014)
Apple needs 2 kind of people to survive
Apple fans and less tech savvy
60. refillable (Posts: 1045; Member since: 10 Mar 2014)
Well umm... Since you are so confident with saying 'most idiotic comment' and 'banning iPhone hating morons' I would like to clarify these. No doubts that the 6S and plus are very good smartphones, but I mean, seriously, have some respect please.
I don't think you can judge people that think iPhones are overpriced because they think so as 'morons' and 'idiots' for whatever reasons. People have the rights to to that, why are you not giving them that?
Fact one is just an irrelevant contradictory statement. If someone personally says that phone X are overpriced because of their value, the fact that millions are buying them doesn't make that 'someone' wrong at all.
Point two can be used to counter the argument that 'iPhones are overpriced' but is still dependant on how you relate it to the subjective opinion. If the opinion states that they think that iP are overpriced because of the phone itself (resale prices aside) because they're never going to sell their phones anyway, this argument is invalid.
Point three strengthens my point that everybody have the rights to state that phone X is overpriced because of they think it's not good for them or for similar reasons. You know it's subjective, then why are you calling names like 'idiots' and 'morons'.
Just to add, in my country the 32gb iP 6S is still about $100 more expensive than the newly released S7 32GB. Still quite logical that some people think that they're a bit more expensive than what they want it to be.
You can proof that iPs are not overpriced because they still sell well with those prices, but you can't proof whether a subjective opinion is wrong or not.
65. AllFanboysMatter (Posts: 57; Member since: 14 Feb 2016)
1. You made my point. I can call a banana overpriced at 5 cents, simply because I grow bananas. But that doesn't mean in reality it's actually overpriced. My logic behind this is that the millions of people who buy iPhones do not believe it is overpriced, nor do the reviewers who cite just opinions.
2. This point is stupid since more people are WILLING to pay a higher price for the latest iPhone compared to any other phone. Even the biggest iPhone hater could agree. So no, this argument is not invalid.
3. I never said people don't have the right to say iPhones are overpriced. However, it's important to be CONSISTENT, which further strengthens SamsungPhanboy's point. If you are going to call the iPhone overpriced, that means nearly all flagship devices are overpriced.
68. another1 (Posts: 157; Member since: 25 Dec 2015)
Hahaha these Samsung diehard fans are getting owned left and right.
70. refillable (Posts: 1045; Member since: 10 Mar 2014)
First of all, Thanks for being polite. Except for some words ofc.
The point you made earlier was to proof that someone's opinion (in this case, natypes') was wrong because they're actually not overpriced by the reasons you stated. However, there is a difference. The iPhones may actually be priced correctly for most people, but it doesn't mean that all people have to follow that. Saying 5 pennies for bananas are overpriced because you plant banana trees in your yard doesn't make you a moron or an idiot.
There is no stupidity in my post. Whether people are paying more or less for a second hand phone doesn't mean that no one can believe that the particular phone is overpriced.
Consistency can be challanged, but the fact that iP 6S are about $100 more expensive also can't be ignored. Plus, it's not about the exact same product.
So my main objections was rather not to proof that you are entirely wrong about iPhone pricings, but to proof that saying X is overpriced doesn't make you an idiot or a moron.
However, I feel sorry for these guys who have no idea what we're discussing about, spitting stupid hatred that can be proven wrong like 'these samsung fans are getting owned'. Clearly show a very imbecilic act.
75. AllFanboysMatter (Posts: 57; Member since: 14 Feb 2016)
You are far too polite for me to continue this debate with. I apologize for calling your point stupid. That isn't right.
87. marorun (Posts: 3384; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
The hundred and hundred of millions who dont buy them might think they are overpriced ;)
ppl are willing to pay because they have no alternative if they want ios and ios is not a bad OS at all beside the horrible bug with OS update. Are you willing to bet thats if ios would be available on others OEM with lower cost but same hardware ( whitout the Apple at the back ) iphone would sell less?
point 3 is logical but let me add some word you forgoten : Nearly all flagship devices are overpriced but iPhone are much more overpriced than any others flagship.
120. willard12 (Posts: 1555; Member since: 04 Jul 2012)
2. Just because people are willing pay for something doesn't mean it isn't overpriced. For example, when Apple engaged in a conspiracy to raise the price of ebooks by 50%, they were overcharging people even though consumers still bought ebooks. The "fair and balanced" Another1 (aka Sauce 1,2,3,4,5) may not be as good a judge as the Supreme Court.
And people who prioritize the resale value of a cell phone probably aren't the rich iphone owners they claim to be.
81. Hoggington (Posts: 160; Member since: 23 Feb 2016)
You lost all credibility when you resort to using derogatory words ("moron" multiple times) and call on Phonearena to ban people because they typed something that offends you. Natypes didn't break any rules.
If any of this behavior pertains to your life and how you interact with humans in person....you may need to hit the attitude reset button and take a breath. Big, full breath. It's glorious.
What's really odd is that your nickname "AllFanboysMatter", would suggest you promote and are all in favor of people having extreme views about one particular brand. Yet your words say otherwise.
85. marorun (Posts: 3384; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
Allfanboymatter... Billion value android vs million iphone.
Best resale value of any phone sure because there is more desesperate to get a cheap cost Apple on the device they use.
Clean Android is as easy if not more than iphone now also menu are much more logical ( no need to dive in setting and submenu just to be able to change photo resolution... )
Work very well? go say thats to my clients thats are getting more and more annoyed with Apple crappy OS updates thats destroy many device and make them nearly unusable.
PA need to start banning all those one sided morons who only beleive it's acceptable to manipulate ppl using words.
Iphone would be a great device if sold at least 30-40% less for now its overpriced and dont worth it. They also need to test more the update they do before pushing it out...
90. canner (Posts: 68; Member since: 29 Feb 2016)
i dont think banning anyone for their tech opinion on a tech site, is the right way to go. its when they start screaming about theyre political stances that they need to be banned (s.r.k or whatever his name is.)
102. adi9764 (Posts: 41; Member since: 16 Feb 2016)
I don't hate iphones, i just hate how most people won't even consider android phones and think that the iphone is way better while it is not, plus i was only stating facts
100. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8890; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
Apple's devices to me are overpriced based on not offering some state-of-the-art features found on some brands.
Features like wireless charging, fast charging, more color accurate and more power efficient displays, poor battery-life and more.
If the iPhone right now for the base model was priced at $549 and the Plus at $649, I think I would be more ok with that.
Because the fact you can get phone with the few things I mention for $649 to start and the iPhone lacks every single advanced feature those have, shows its is definitely to costly for what it offers.
But to also be fair. Last year I felt the S6 Edge and S6 Edge+ models were also a bit overpriced. Not because they lacked advanced features, but because the only difference was size and I am not sure the size justifies an additional $100 for 2 phones that share 100% identical features.
One thing I do liek About Samsung is even though the base S6/S7 are priced lower than their slightly larger siblings, they don't skimp on the features. They both share 100% identical features unlike what Apple is doing.
I am hoping with the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus that Apple will make them identical with the only difference being size.
11. PapaSmurf (Posts: 10439; Member since: 14 May 2012)
PA readers love to side with their favorite OEM or OS instead of looking at a picture as a whole.
12. AllFanboysMatter (Posts: 57; Member since: 14 Feb 2016)
What? I upvoted him. He said the truth, which is why he has so many.
17. AllFanboysMatter (Posts: 57; Member since: 14 Feb 2016)
Way to change your comment accusing SamsungPhanboy of 'instavoting'.
Such a coward you are PapaSmurf.
23. natypes (Posts: 1081; Member since: 02 Feb 2015)
Look out we got a badass over here. What are you 19? lol
27. AllFanboysMatter (Posts: 57; Member since: 14 Feb 2016)
If I were 19, I'd still have 13 more years on you in terms of your education level.
55. natypes (Posts: 1081; Member since: 02 Feb 2015)
Owned? Do you 2 sit at the same lunch table? Oh wait, you're the ignorant fuk that accused ME of being racist. lmao Kid you have no clue who I am, what I look like or anything, how could you come up with that? I'm natypes everywhere online you can find more about me if you want. You may learn not to put your foot in your mouth. You have a LOT to learn son.
He called me idiotic for saying people have a certain opinion then just stated other peoples opinions on 2 of 3 of his numbered lists (cute lol) thinking that proved that I was idiotic. If you side with that "point" you're as dumb as him.
Juvenile is all I can say.
58. another1 (Posts: 157; Member since: 25 Dec 2015)
If anyone is trying to understand what he's referring to, here is what he is talking about.
And yes man, you did sound a bit racist with your reply here.
But hey, don't get all mad at me because you got owned. Also, I am not your son.
62. natypes (Posts: 1081; Member since: 02 Feb 2015)
Son, you're a clueless child. Like I said, you better look around before you throw that stupid accusation around again. My BLACK wife agreed with that post I made 100%.
Facts make me racist? Getting tired of people quickly accusing racism when race has NOTHING to do with things? Yeah, I am. You millennials are beyond comprehension.
76. AllFanboysMatter (Posts: 57; Member since: 14 Feb 2016)
Having a black wife automatically makes you exempt from saying racist things. Got it.
77. natypes (Posts: 1081; Member since: 02 Feb 2015)
Don't you have a protest to attend? lol I'm through with you. Everyone is racist that doesn't like you or see your way. Don't ever take personal responsibility for anything you do. Always blame someone else.
79. AllFanboysMatter (Posts: 57; Member since: 14 Feb 2016)
Saying things like this, there is no way your wife is black.
And if it's true, she won't be your wife for long. But thank you for revealing your true colors.
80. natypes (Posts: 1081; Member since: 02 Feb 2015)
She agrees with me on everything I've said son. You irate about that? 100% the truth. You are the downfall of America. So sad.
50. natypes (Posts: 1081; Member since: 02 Feb 2015)
lol ok I'm sorry you don't get it. I'm through with you. Keep following me around and making my day. I'll be here.
64. Kumar123 (limited) (Posts: 559; Member since: 15 Jan 2015)
@AllFanboysMatter dude you get a +1000000 form me.
PapaSmurf is the Cheapest Samsung paid Troll here on PA.
( Prediction: cheap paid troll going to reply this comment with either a pic of iPhone or a screenshot of ios. And his comrades will come to help him out)
15. Macready (Posts: 859; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)
The quoted $236 is actually for the 6S Plus, the regular 6S was quoted at $211, 6 months ago (should be less now).
30. HugoBarraCyanogenmod (Posts: 1045; Member since: 06 Jul 2014)
Good to see those who against apologist. Samsung fanboy bash Apple just to promote their products is better. Even it's more of the same.
Fortunately more and more people are smart enough to see the truth, Xiaomi 5 cost around the same yet just sold $400 for the 128GB version.
No excuses for Sammy apologist to say they offer batter even it's just slightly than Apple, when outside offer even greater deal than Samsung with the same operating system
44. zeeBomb (Posts: 1849; Member since: 14 Aug 2014)
Wow...a lot of people here never heard of research and development and marketing
88. marorun (Posts: 3384; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
ZeeBomb look at 2015 Apple total profit from iphone hardware sales vs all those cost..
IF you dont see how overpriced the iphone are after this you are a moron..
Apple make simply too much profit on each sales compared to ANY other phone maker on any flagship phone.
Some Fanboy even use this as a reason why Apple is so great well for me its a reason why Apple is so greedy and Fanboy should be insulted to see how much they get stolen..
46. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8890; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
Here is why the S isn't overpriced:
This year both the iPhone and S7 both start at $649, but compare the S6 Edge, S7 Edge and the iPhoen 6S Plus side by side and even then you get so much more:
You get a larger screen on both, yet a smaller device overall compared to the iPhone, 1440p vs 1080p, batter accurate display colors, better accurate faster focusing camera that is better at OIS and color tones and focuses faster, you get wireless charging, fast charging and wireless fast charging, you get mics that record better audio, 16:9 for taking videos and photos is better than 4:3, you get a bigger battery on both models that last longer then the iPhone, you get tones of features that are useful like splt-screen and a better one-handed mode, Samsung Pay is arguably better than Apple Pay, and the list goes on.
48. ZetZet (Posts: 22; Member since: 21 Apr 2015)
but samsung phones also drop in price over a year period since their release once sales cover marketing costs and stuff, apple doesn't.
103. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8890; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
Becaue they have to fight with other selling phones running Android. Apple woudl be forced to do the same if another OEM had iOS.
Why is it no one considers this fact as a basis for pricing.
Example...Samsung releases the S7 in Q1 2016. In Q2 another OEm with Android releases a nice option and starts to take away from Samsung and even offers a lower cost.
For example, LG typically sells their phones for less money vs Samsung. But they are lower in cost because they offer leasser in features and capabilities. But most buyers dont know this. all they see is a lower price tag. To stay compettive of to keep the sales going the carriers lower the cost.
Samsung still sells phones at the same price until a newer model comes. Carriers lower the cost because for one it's to encourage people to sign up. Remember, the carrier like you has already paid for the phone. They offer it to you at a discount to encourage you to sign on with them. The phone still costs the same at its retail price if you pay cash for it.
78. sarath_L (Posts: 3; Member since: 10 Mar 2016)
"How the hell does anyone come to the conclusion that one is overpriced when the margin is this similar?"
SamsungPhanboy your reasoning is wrong here. You do know there are other costs involved in selling a smartphone than just the costs of independent components in a phone. Like R&D, production, marketing etc. Even software costs are not included here. So that figure 255$ doesn't tell you anything.
People generally say Apple phones are overpriced because they make stupendous profits by selling iphones. 90% of the profits of all mobile phones go to apple and they don't even sell most no of phones. So people think that these greedy f**** can reduce the prices and still make profits but they don't reduce the prices (On apple's defense if people are willing to buy at that price then why should they reduce). That's why the overprice tag.
On the other hand samsung sells most no of devices but still have to share the remaining 10% profits with all the other manufacturers. Although we don't know the exact profit they make for each device, according to the various tech sites there mobile division is not doing that well and these profits are declining Y-O-Y. So we can safely say they are not overcharging here and there phones simply cost more to make.
I do see more hardware and software features in S7 or note 5 than Nexus 6P or Iphone 6s. So even by looking at sheer no of features present in the devices it seems like they are more costly to make. But if you find these extra features useless or you think that Nexus 6P or Iphone 6S is simply better than Note 5 or S7 that's entirely subjective but that doesn't mean those extra features do not cost samsung more money.
One think I will say is that competition the Nexus 6P is bringing here is definitely good and will force Apple and samsung to innovate. (Which will either bring down there prices or they will provide more value at the same price)
104. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8890; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
Because the margin isn't similar. Samsung has to spend more money considering they use first party parts which cost more than 3rd party. Samsung has its own factories, Samsung has a much larger distribution channel vs Apple. In other words, because Samsung has far more overheard it leads to far less profits.
An yet even though they make less money per phone sold vs Apple, they do more with their money than Apple does and we see this in the Galaxy S and Note which we don't see in any iPhone. Every Note and S has come with advanced features that benefit its users.
83. marorun (Posts: 3384; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
Agreed Samsung try to much to be like Apple and overpricing device is wrong.
you say 700 buck for the S7 i say more than 1000$ in CAD. ( i can buy almost 3 PS4 with this money lol )
84. sachouba (Posts: 156; Member since: 08 Jun 2014)
Actually, I highly doubt a water-resistant smartphone with a 3000 mAh battery, Snapdragon 820, 4 GB of LPDDR4 RAM, a 5.1-inch QHD AMOLED display, the best camera on the market with OIS and Dual Pixel, Cat.12/13 LTE, wireless charging, a heart rate and SpO2 monitor costs about the same as an iPhone 6s which uses much (much) cheaper components that Apple didn't even develop themselves.
Those studies are probably wrong.
89. phonearenarocks (Posts: 312; Member since: 26 Mar 2015)
Also there is more to this than the one sided story in here
105. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8890; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
I've posted similar info so many times. Fanboys only see a price. They dont consider these facts:
Samsung components are 1st party. meaning they make them themselves which costs more money vs an OEM that buys all their parts 2nd and 3rd party.
Having your own factories and employees make stuff is more expensive than hiring a company like Foxconn to make your stuff.
Samsung distributes products to more countries and carriers than any OEM on the planet and that costs money too.
You can see the money spent in Samsung products as they contain useful advanced features, unlike the iPhone that still takes almost 3 hours to charge such a small battery wile Samsung phones have a 40% larger battery and charge in less than 90 mins on average.
When you consider the Galaxy has betetr parts like UFS storage, the faster DDR4 RAM, octacore CPU, fast charging, fast wireless charging, the best 1440p displays in the world, the best cameras in the world for this class, the best mics, the best audio, the fastest modems, and so much more.
I saw Samsung users get more than what they pay for. The Galaxy S is easily a $1000 phone with the Note begin even more expensive and yet both are sold for a starting price below $700.
Look how fast their TV;s have dropped. 2 years ago 4K Tv's were $10,000, now you can get one for less than $2000. That si what spending billions on R&D will get you.
Apple has the luxury of not having competition with iOS. They have the luxury of not adding real value for the price. But the sales of the iPhone are starting to show people are wising up.
Apple needs to come strong with the iPhone 7, or they are going to feel a bigger pinch when the S8 and Note 6 come out.
125. phonearenarocks (Posts: 312; Member since: 26 Mar 2015)
Man very true!!!, except for your below statement.
"Apple needs to come strong with the iPhone 7, or they are going to feel a bigger pinch when the S8 and Note 6 come out."
I am more of an apple hater just for the reason that it is not really worth that so many millions of em get sold. People don't buy it because it is good they rather buy it because it is iPhone and a new model is out - "which is pure sh1t".
I don't see the situation changing either, even if the next generation gets much much much much much much much much worse than Sammy(it is just much much worse for the current generation ;D). People who buy iPhone are the filthy rich kinda ppl who don't even look at the reviews to see if it is any good. 90% of them don't even use the minuscule of features that are in the iPhone, they mostly make calls and may be take few selfies and nothing more - "which again is pure sh1t". A $100 phone serves this purpose but they want iPhone only. This brand image needs to take a beating.
What Sammy offers is of much bigger value than Apple but alas, I don't know if it is ever gonna change.
101. adi9764 (Posts: 41; Member since: 16 Feb 2016)
It costs 236 dollars to make an iPhone 6s plus not 6s. The iphone 6s costs less than 200 dollars
130. MrElectrifyer (Posts: 2326; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)
They're both overpriced if you're stupid enough to ignore what you get with Samsung's device. First off, you get a $100 Gear VR free with the S7:
Next, you get a $30 gift for activating and using Samsung Pay:
Add that to the cost of Galaxy S7 components (not including assembly):
In conjunction with the over $500 worth of Galaxy Gifts you get from Samsung:
And paying the premium price for the Galaxy S7 is easily justifiable. Whereas you'll be waiting for at least 500 weeks to gain the equivalent of that from apple's weekly 99c giveaways. Being a "SamsungPhanboy", you sure are ignorant of what Samsung gives it's customers...
7. Rafishant (Posts: 223; Member since: 13 Oct 2015)
I don't care who spend more on ads. Nothing came into my pocket.
The Gear VR promotion is only available in the US and some regions, and it really costs pennies for Samsung.
Same thing could be said for Samsung Pay.
Now, take all of the those listed promotions and give a much cheaper Galaxy phone like LG, HTC, and Huawei.
25. Macready (Posts: 859; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)
Uh, in most of Europe, Korea, etc. the VR promotion was and actually still is valid too.
Cheaper Huawei Mate 8? Street price is actually pretty close, just like the G5 (within $50).
8. Johnnokia (Posts: 1073; Member since: 27 May 2012)
Actually, both Apple and Samsung flagships are overpriced.
Kudos to htc, LG, and many other Chinese manufacturers.
Not everyone in this world is very rich to purchase $700+ phone.
61. j2001m (Posts: 2836; Member since: 28 Apr 2014)
How can they find out what the cost of the cam is, it's only Samsung that can buy them, the same goes for the screen and many of the other parts
Also as its Samsung cam, they need to included all the r and d used on that cam, same a goes for the screen and so on
92. marorun (Posts: 3384; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
Nearly all the S7 we tested used the Sony camera sensor.
J2001m stop been a blind fanboy.
Now Apple is even worst using crappy hardware ( beside the soc ) with much more limited OS and put a lots less R&D than Samsung and still sell a bit higher priced than Samsung S7 the 6S is a joke.
3. hung2900 (Posts: 951; Member since: 02 Mar 2012)
"IHS’ cost estimate includes figures for hardware components plus about $5 for final assembly and doesn’t include an estimate for the cost of software development, marketing or distribution."
You see? Tax cost? Shipping cost? % for dealers?
Remember HTC Sony cost to build is abt the same, price even higher but they have faced losses.
Apple and SS are profitable due to they sell A LOT of phones, not their phone overprice.