Benefits and drawbacks of Galaxy Nexus having "No OEM Customization"
1. LewsTherin006 posted on 27 Nov 2011, 12:26 14 0
Customers really wont care about the no OEM Customizations. All they care about is how the big the screen is and if they can use the same apps their friends do. As far as the tech crowd goes we already know what we want, so this is a plus for us.
22. Droid_X_Doug posted on 27 Nov 2011, 14:45 0 0
I am starting to think that no OEM customizations might not be a bad idea. I have been having some \'issues\' with certain customizations on my RAZR. The biggest \'issue\' has been with the integration of the Messaging app on my RAZR that combines text messaging with e-mails for a universal inbox experience. Messaging seems to be having problems integrating with my gmail.com account. If I remove the gmail.com integration (pseudo account?) from the Messaging app, I can send and receive e-mails from the standard Gmail client app. But trying to use the gmail.com integration in the Messaging app to send e-mails is a non-starter. I am also starting to have problems receiving e-mails with the Messaging app too.
Net-net, no OEM customizations could result in fewer hassles....
23. Droid_X_Doug posted on 27 Nov 2011, 14:47 2 0
PA - what is with these f*cking slashes before the apostrophe (I spelled it out to avoid the damn slash effect; here it is with the effect: \' )?!
2. Martine posted on 27 Nov 2011, 12:29 3 0
I actually love Touchwiz UX on the Tab because it's very light and even makes the ugly Honeycomb more functional!!
Something like that will be much appreciated on ICS
3. ZEUS.the.thunder.god posted on 27 Nov 2011, 12:35 6 5
another failed effort to downgrade galaxy nexus. and can you please explain why are you guys are still comparing it with oudated iphone4s. stop it PA.
4. MichaelHeller posted on 27 Nov 2011, 12:40 10 1
Who is downgrading the Nexus? And where is there comparison to the iPhone in this piece?
12. MichaelHeller posted on 27 Nov 2011, 13:16 0 0
I knew that looked odd, but for some reason spell check told me it was okay. Thanks!
14. Owlet posted on 27 Nov 2011, 13:22 0 0
16. narley posted on 27 Nov 2011, 14:12 1 1
As a Verizon employee I take offense to you asking if well know the difference of a pure google experience vs VZW or OEM bloat.
I'm sure you really wanted to say stick with any phone that starts with a lowercase I since that's all your sites articles ever end saying. And despite your guys efforts to hide that bias its blatantly obvious.
21. MichaelHeller posted on 27 Nov 2011, 14:41 0 0
I never said anything about whether or not Verizon employees know the difference, just whether or not employees will explain those differences in full to potential customers.
24. MichaelHeller posted on 27 Nov 2011, 15:10 2 0
Sorry about that, I see where your issue came from, and I edited the article for clearer wording.
53. narley posted on 05 Dec 2011, 09:13 0 0
5. ZEUS.the.thunder.god posted on 27 Nov 2011, 12:48 3 1
not in this piece but there are couple of comparisons you guys did with ip4s which i think is simply not fair. and i know you are probably the only guy here on PA who is not biased towards android or nokia. so its a general feedback for most of the articles here on PA. i am sorry if i was a bit over the line. i appreciate you for responding but again you are the only person here who does it which is very nice of you. thanx.
7. MichaelHeller posted on 27 Nov 2011, 12:53 9 1
I understand that comparisons with the iPhone may annoy you, but like it or not the iPhone 4S is the best Apple has to offer, and because the Nexus is a Google device, it is seen as the Android flagship. The comparisons will happen. Best option to not be annoyed is to avoid those articles. We've got comparisons between the Nexus and RAZR too, if that helps.
36. cheetah2k posted on 27 Nov 2011, 19:53 3 0
The iPhone 4S might be Apple's best phone on offer, but its not the "best phone"..
Ray S's browser comparison without doing benchmarks (load times) on the G Nexus vs 4S, and not making mention of the different screen resolution sizes is a classic example of bias towards Apple products.. As far as the best "user" experience the G Nexus and large screen size + pace setting resolution has to win hands down, and yet somehow the 4S was said to be the better of the two.. I mean WTF?
Michael, you know its going to take a miracle to shake the "iphone bias" association everyone makes with Phonearena don't you?
38. MichaelHeller posted on 27 Nov 2011, 20:23 2 0
I haven't been with the site too long, but from what I've heard the days of iPhoneArena were a while back. I think we are objective in our reviews.
I watched Ray's browser comparison and I think it was very fair. Other sites have reported that the Nexus has slightly better benchmarks, but as Ray points out, the practical difference is negligible. Ray's ultimate review was that the two were pretty much on par, maybe slightly smoother on the iPhone, but the Nexus will soon have Flash, which is a huge advantage. You may read that to say the iPhone is better, but I certainly don't.
Remember that was a browser comparison, so it was Ice Cream Sandwich vs iOS, not really specific to the Nexus, so the screen size and resolution aren't a factor. Theoretically the browser will run just as well on a phone like the Incredible 2, which doesn't have the resolution advantage over the iPhone.
52. cheetah2k posted on 28 Nov 2011, 19:34 0 0
Good response, and to be honest, I think a lot of us who are fans of both iOS and Android, are glad to see new staff at PhoneArena.
47. taco50 (banned) posted on 28 Nov 2011, 04:09 0 0
Once again fandroids don't get. Specs don't make a phone better.
51. EclipseGSX posted on 28 Nov 2011, 16:29 1 0
so you wouldn't care if the iPhone 5 came out with a 100Ghz Processor, 0.1 MP camera and 1.5 inch screen, you just care that its made by Apple eh? because that's the only thing that makes a good phone...
6. kpfirefighter posted on 27 Nov 2011, 12:53 2 3
Yet some more specs! BUT STILL NO LAUNCH DATE! I'm thinking verizon gets more kick back from moto and HTC thats why they launch their phones and wait f**king forever to launch samsung! It will be a surprise if the galaxy note even comes to verizon.
This is bulls**t verizon release the phone and get on to your next tease! We are sick of waiting for you to get off your fat asses and do something!
8. MichaelHeller posted on 27 Nov 2011, 12:55 9 2
I think you are in the wrong place. If you have an issue with Verizon, you may want to take your concerns here:http://www.verizonwireless.com
18. narley posted on 27 Nov 2011, 14:18 2 5
I gotta say your responding to and defending this article against the people you should be thankful even come to this site is tacky and in bad taste.
And to me only supports the fact you guys are so bias you'll openly argue on your own site.
19. MichaelHeller posted on 27 Nov 2011, 14:31 3 0
If anyone wants to have a reasonable discussion about what I've written, I want to engage them, because that helps me make my work better.
However, if people come here to complain, start flame wars, or misinterpret what my meaning is, I will defend what I've written. There is a reason why all forums on the web have rules about "off-topic" comments.
Check carefully and you'll see that I rarely argue. I only attempt to clearly state my ideas, and if someone proves me wrong, or shows me a flaw in my logic, I always edit my original article to reflect that.
40. roscuthiii posted on 27 Nov 2011, 22:09 0 0
I find it refreshing that Michael actually interacts with the commentary as opposed to just dropping an egg and seeing what hatches.
9. ZEUS.the.thunder.god posted on 27 Nov 2011, 12:57 1 0
lol. thanx a lot. i am sorry for going over the line a bit. but that comment was not for you. but again thank you so much.
13. MichaelHeller posted on 27 Nov 2011, 13:18 3 0
Understandable, but if the comment doesn't apply to this article, maybe it's best to not put it here, right?
Also, click on the reply button on the comment you're replying to so we get a thread rather than new comments on the article.
11. Chasers posted on 27 Nov 2011, 13:09 0 0
I have the Nexus S 4G for sprint. I am pretty sure I have gotten all of the most recent updates. I can however still get hotspot tethering for free.
17. Allie13 posted on 27 Nov 2011, 14:15 0 0
I am a bit new to this. So I was looking at the HTC Rezound, and there are some things about Sense that I liked such as the Friendster that shows facebook updates on the home screen, as well as the favorites, where you can choose contacts that you want to stay updated with and this also can be shown on the home screen. If I were to get the Galaxy Nexus it would not have this, but are there Apps I can download to get these features?
20. MichaelHeller posted on 27 Nov 2011, 14:37 0 0
The Nexus has the new People app from Google which will aggregate your friends' posts from various social networks. To start it pulls from Google+ and Twitter, but there is an API so other social networks can add their data to the service.
There are also 3rd party apps that mimic the HTC Sense widgets. The one I use is LauncherPro, although that only pulls from Facebook and Twitter. Not sure what else is out there.
34. Owlet posted on 27 Nov 2011, 18:21 1 0
There are some options that you can get from the market to do those things. But it will not be as beautiful and as convenient as HTC. HTC Sense, which is all those widgets and beauty and convenience and etc., is what many people love and others try to replicate. But it's only a replica.
25. SoopaManLuv posted on 27 Nov 2011, 15:47 2 0
I think having no bloatware is great. Still don't understand tha logic in preloadin vzNavigator and tha phone comes wit navigation and google maps. I mean, if u got it 4 free who tha hell wants 2 pay $9.00/mos for tha service from Verizon? Aren't they getting enough money out of us as is? I'm jus saying...
26. MichaelHeller posted on 27 Nov 2011, 15:56 2 0
From a carrier standpoint, they can never get enough money from us.
27. redmd posted on 27 Nov 2011, 16:25 1 0
I like the idea of a removable manufacturer UI because some of them make your Android phones lag. Hopefully Google might consider this option.
28. remixfa posted on 27 Nov 2011, 16:43 3 0
im at odds with this article.
* as a sales rep, we get asked that question constantly between the differences of sense, TW, stock, and blur, so only the worst sales reps would not have answered that question a dozen times by now. We have walls of nothing but android phones, and people want to know what makes them different from each other.
* on the other side, as a sales rep, I know most sales reps dont know squat about the phones they sell and it drives me bonkers. I can't tell you how many times I've been asked to join a conversation to fill in the other rep's gaping holes in knowledge or I just jump in at will to do the same. So any help in educating the customers (and some sales reps that visit the site) is always appreciated. That said, I think this article would have been way more effective had it dipped into some of the feature differences between stock, sense, tw, and blur to give people an understanding of each and why so many prefer stock.
31. MichaelHeller posted on 27 Nov 2011, 17:33 2 0
you don't seem to be at odds with anything. there's always a difference between answering questions regularly and knowing the full answer.
I know this article could have gone deeper into the differences, but I wanted to focus more on stock than the various OEM overlays. In general, the overlays try to add some visual flare, and some extra features. The specifics on those don't really change what I'm trying to say in the article though. The basic reasons why people prefer stock are what I've laid out: performance, customization, and update speed.
33. remixfa posted on 27 Nov 2011, 18:17 2 0
" the question still remains: will Verizon employees explain why that's a good thing? Verizon employees receive extensive training, so they undoubtedly understand the differences between stock and customized Android, but it is a very different thing to actually explain those differences to potential customers"
thats the part that put me at odds. Not that its bad or even wrong, but as a sales rep it dings home pretty quickly. It seems to come off (to me) as you dont think that most sales reps are capable of properly explaining the differences to customers. Maybe because VZW has never allowed a pure "google" phone on their line up, or maybe it feels like a zinger at sales reps. Not really sure.
It just put me at odds from the duality of feeling like your taking a pot shot at reps which you might not have been intending on (which since I am one, it does feel a bit personal), and the fact that I feel that most reps are junk anyways and its a valid statement.
41. MichaelHeller posted on 27 Nov 2011, 22:13 0 0
As with all Americans, it's not a matter of capability, but a matter of willingness vs laziness - both on the part of the Verizon reps and on the customers.
I'd like to believe that Verizon gives you the training to be capable, and there are reps with the passion for tech as well. But, I know that personally, I have no patience for teaching and explaining things to people verbally (which is why I'm a writer). And, my whole family is tech illiterate except for me, so I understand the range of customers that you have to deal with.
Verizon reps may be capable of explaining, but may not bother to. Similarly, customers should make informed decisions, but may to lazy to become informed.
42. remixfa posted on 27 Nov 2011, 22:38 0 0
as with all americans? u mean with humanity in general. unless there is a country out there where everyone is tech literate that i dont know about. ( and i'd probably want to move there! lol)
Owlet, I have people from other districts calling me for info that I simply learn from sites like these. Its not like its any great insider knowledge.. lol I just take a moment to look and learn. Unfortunately extensive training revolves around how to sell it, not how to actually use it. To learn that, you have to put in a bit of self effort, which most are unwilling to do.
like it or not there is a reason there is a top % and everyone else. most are not willing to do what it takes to get to the top level.. but i digress. :)
35. Owlet posted on 27 Nov 2011, 18:28 1 0
I see Michael hit a sensitive spot with some of the sales reps here. LOL. I'm happy to see that there are some knowledgeable reps out there, like remix. But I'm yet to find one where I live. And I mean even a few towns around where I live. They probably missed that day when they had "extensive training". :) So yeah, it hurts remix, but true about a load of reps. Peace.
43. bucky posted on 27 Nov 2011, 22:46 0 0
they used to, as in sense 2.0. Now it can drag down a quadcore.
30. networkdood posted on 27 Nov 2011, 16:58 1 0
For those who want AOSP....this is good - otherwise, we just root the phone and flash any ROM/theme we want with any launcher - that is the power of Android - customization.
32. twenti7 posted on 27 Nov 2011, 17:40 6 0
Some people on this site have gotten way out of hand. Settle down, kids. They're just phones.
Michael, I thought this was a very well done write-up, like usual for you. Keep up the good work.
39. HTCiscool posted on 27 Nov 2011, 21:51 0 0
I really couldn\'t care less about stock or Sensed up Gingerbread, but when HTC updates the Sensation to ICS id actually prefer stock. It is just a bit neater and runs faster. Plus, Sense has far too many widgets, 81 in total and I prefer the tighter look of Touchwiz. But yes, for ICS I think vanilla is the way to go for me.
48. firelightx posted on 28 Nov 2011, 04:33 0 0
If you ask me, what HTC should be doing with ICS is the same thing I hear Samsung plans to do: severely limit the customizations you bring to the plate and stick with just the widgets. And on that note, since ICS supports re sizable widgets, maybe start your widgets over from scratch.
Many of the major features that Sense offers, ICS has absorbed. ICS really is becoming the first Android version that doesn't NEED to be so heavily skinned over. So it'll be pretty exciting to see what the heavier UIs turn into going forward.
44. dZW posted on 28 Nov 2011, 01:56 0 0
This is a great article. It actually has substance which a lot of stories do not. I am very glad to see PA having a writer like Michael on the team. Thanks for the great read!
45. EgyzikA posted on 28 Nov 2011, 03:46 0 1
Michael,,can anyone in PA post an article mentioning the devices supposed to get ICS in the future?! tHxX in adv.,,,
46. EgyzikA posted on 28 Nov 2011, 03:46 0 1
Michael,,can anyone in PA post an article mentioning the devices supposed to get ICS in the future?! tHxX in adv.,,,
49. ngo2dd posted on 28 Nov 2011, 08:17 0 0
Good article Michael but I do disagree on stock getting faster update. The only phone that get a fast updates are the Nexus. The G2 and G2x are stock but did not get the updates any faster because of stock. The sense G2 got gingerbread before the G2. And the rooting thing has more with the OEM putting a lock bootloader than if stock is easier to root than skin. Samsung is easier to root than the HTC G2 on t-mobile
50. remixfa posted on 28 Nov 2011, 09:28 1 0
thats true. stock or not, if its not a nexus it runs the risk of a bootloader lock. Samsung has embraced the dev community (huge + for me) and even hired its superstar, cyanogen, as a developer for them. I wish other manufacturers would do the same.
55. Mushishi posted on 06 Dec 2011, 01:44 0 0
the locked bootloader have nothing with rooting to do btw.. that only got to do with installing custom roms... Just to point out. :)
54. Mushishi posted on 06 Dec 2011, 01:43 0 0
Well i think this OEM UI vs Pure android is why people love android so much. (I am not going to draw any compairsions here but come on WP7 you all look the same :) ) Yes i would love to be able to easy disable the OEM UI on my android phones but then again the stock rom never lives long on them.
But when google releases the nexus phones i think we should look at the Pure Android as another OEM UI because it is another look the user can pick.
So when the buyer stands at the Verizon store and is looking at phones he can pick the phone on the hardware he likes and the look he likes. And now where we have 5 powerfull dual core phones out there (I know there are more but the GN, SGS2 (In all it's versions), Sensention XL, LG Thrill (Would have been the Optimus 2X if not because the G2X is T-Mobile only if i am right) and the Razr are the biggest ATM)
Then you dont need to dismiss the pure android because the hardware is less then what you get on lets say the SGS2 they are more on a level playing field now.
Well just my 2 cents and i hope they make as much sence now as they did in my head.