First in-cell touch QHD display by JDI
Apple iPhone 6s may come with a 1080p display, 6s Plus could boast a 2K panel
1. Neros (Posts: 1016; Member since: 19 Dec 2014)
In your dreams. Apple never bumps up the resolution in the S models. This is BS PA. The only time when they improve the res is when they increase the screen size to guarantee that proper ppi is preserved.
5. robcar (Posts: 109; Member since: 18 Jan 2011)
They save the sales argument for the next model, just like when they skimp on the RAM to have it as a selling point to the next year or so.
The more the PPI the sharper the image, it is the absolute reality, then how we personally perceive the picture is quite irrelevant.
10. frydaexiii (Posts: 1443; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
I know right? Even if they did, the welcoming committee for 1080p screens already went home last year.
80. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
Apple never brings out stuff until its perfect - That was until Apple Maps and Apple Ping, the iPhone 4 and the bending iPhone 6+.
With the competition breathing on them hard, Apple may not do a lot of things they use to do, but lately they have been doing them.
This is the real world.
if Apple doesn't provide some type of upgrade with the new models, they are afraid no one would buy them. Even to ever S upgrade has been nothing more than speed bumps the fools keep buying them. But Apple is afraid that will soon end. After all Samsung got ridiculed so bad about the S5, after it got off to a good start, the sales took a drastic hit. Problem is though, they will praise the sh*t out of an iPhone for doing the same and they sell like crazy. Again the hate of Samsung and other OEMs is sad. Look how they bashed the HTC M9 for basically being an M8
134. Finalflash (Posts: 3085; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
Apple isn't afraid of losing customers because they have trapped a very lucrative part of the market, the tech illiterate (mostly). They don't know or care about specs, they just want an Apple logo on their phone and something they are familiar with. They also have the tech media in their pockets and so even their mediocre offerings get high praises. The software is buggy? So what, it will be fixed in half a years time. The phone bends? It is fine, it was only 9 people, Apple wouldn't lie. The camera is meh? No, it is amazing and class leading, just don't do a blind democratic comparison. It is a perfect situation for them, and they will abuse it well.
145. WallStreetWolf (Posts: 289; Member since: 08 Apr 2013)
You must be referring to the average consumer that expects their phone to be simple, fast and consistent. When it doesn't do those things, they have a face behind the product rather than a phone number and a shipping box or a bunch of forums to sort through.You must mean these people.
Buggy Software? Good luck convincing me that others don't face the same issues, especially since most don't support their device range past 1-2 years. Apple usually updates their devices multiple times within a year to add or repair features along with a yearly OS upgrade, which some companies can't seem to do for their ecosystem. It isn't perfect, but what is?
The phone bends...The King of Android is put to the test.
That phone is 5.1 inches and fared worse than the iPhone 6+, which is a phone much larger in size. They had the same response as Apple, claiming that it won't happen under normal conditions, which is absolutely true.
The camera ranks among the best cameras available on a smartphone today. It was beaten by the S6 Edge and Note 4, which are great Android offerings. That being said, I would say the device is quite capable with its 8mp shooter.
Apple creates great products with a very solid ecosystem that includes phones, tablets, and computers. Popular Android OEM's like Samsung, LG, and Sony also make excellent products. The BlackBerry Passport is great for its customer base. The Lumia series devices are very solid performers all the way to the budget handsets. The point is you shouldn't throw rocks at glass houses and the devices are more than capable and comparable to any other flagship from rival operating systems.
153. Peace (Posts: 23; Member since: 22 May 2014)
I enjoyed reading your post. Logical and well thought. Keep it up!
151. Be_Mine (Posts: 57; Member since: 29 Dec 2013)
It's true. The HTC One M7, M8 are still a great choice even among the various android phones. But the same cannot be said about the iPhone 5, 5s, they seems like they are from 5-8 years ago.
96. waddup121 (unregistered)
lol NO WAY. Apple aint gonna do this
2. Wiencon (Posts: 1870; Member since: 06 Aug 2014)
Retina ppi is perfectly fine for me, I would take better battery life instead of useless pixels. Anyway, this year's iPhone looks like killer for now, if only not their hatred towards jailbreakers :/
9. robcar (Posts: 109; Member since: 18 Jan 2011)
I give a medal to Apple because they imprinted "Retina" in the public consciousness as something scientifically correct argument.
But I do not believe in limited hardware.
12. seanwhat (Posts: 280; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)
they're undoubtedly the kings of marketing.
84. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
A king needs followers. Apple's fans are a bunch of gullible hypocrites.
13. Wiencon (Posts: 1870; Member since: 06 Aug 2014)
I don't give a s.it if it's called Retina or Super AMOLED+, the point is it's enough and more is just gimmick and doesn't have any advantages. I bet that if You hold some chinese phone with 720p on 4.7 inch You will not be able if it's FHD or QHD unless you compare it with such displays. But I'm sure 95% people would say that it's ENOUGH.
14. frydaexiii (Posts: 1443; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
It's enough because iPhones users DON'T HAVE a better option. With Android, if I'm using a 720p screen phone, I can say it's not enough and get a 1080p or 2k screened phone. Can't say that with an iPhone since the option isn't made available to you.
28. Wiencon (Posts: 1870; Member since: 06 Aug 2014)
Really, fandroid's logic is something that needs to be examined...
No, it's not about that, my brother has LG Optimus G and guess what - 720p is enough, I never heard him complaining about sharpness. I had Z3 C - no problem at all, my mother has G2 - it's 1080p on 5.2 inch, perfect sharpness, Note 3 - FHD on 5.7, also fine. You fandroids are really hypocrites, when S3 came out everyone was like: wow, 720p on 4.8, crazy! And now everyone's saying that FHD on 5inch gives poor image quality.
I don't like using "fandroid" word but in this case your logic is really "dead inside".
And I remember my friend saying, wow look, it's FHD on my 5inch Xperia Z and I was like: cool, and what?
43. frydaexiii (Posts: 1443; Member since: 01 Dec 2011)
Really? When the S3 came out it was the best screen and highest resolution ever produced AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
Did you expect people to say "Oh, it's too bulky, the resolution is so blur and the color reproduction is really poor." when someone first invented and presented the first color television to us? No, it's an amazing feat AT THAT POINT IN TIME! Only when we have something better to compare it to is it poor now.
Seriously, is this iFan logic? "Well, 750p screen on the iPhone 6, it is better than all 2013 phone screens which are only 720p, suck it fandroids."
62. tedkord (Posts: 11629; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Technically, 640X480 is enough. You can tell what anything is, you can read text. It's enough. But these are multimedia devices, and higher res makes sense. You can watch TV at standard definition of you want, it's enough. it looks better at full HD.
And the reviews are out there. The displays on the Note 4 and S6 look better than the iPhone. And if it looks better, it's not a gimmick. But please, stand on your principles, and don't buy the new iPhones is they improve the resolution.
90. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
I disagree. As long as we can have better at the same price, its never enough.
Maybe you can eat enough food and drink enough boos, but tech keeps going whether you need it or not. If you dont need don't buy.
122. marorun (Posts: 3561; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
I tend to agree but too high resolution on such small screen is a waste of resources ( battery , gpu ect )
Still there is sweet spot on a 5 inch thats sweet spot is 1080p.
2k is useless at thats size.
Now do you all think thats the S6 and note 4 screen are better because they are 2k? i am pretty sure they would look as good if not better in 1080p if they used the same tech as they use for those 2k screen now.
Did you ever notice thats a quality of a screen is much more than just the resolution?
89. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
Just because he doesn't complain doesn't mean he doesnt want better. You logic is actually worse.
if you dont want anything above 720p you dont have to buy it. RIGHT?
What does YOUR brother have to do with YOUR phone and your faulty logic? He doesn't complain. How you know? Are you glued to him all day? Maybe he doesnt complain to you. How do you know he isnt also on this site complaining he wants higher resolutions?
121. marorun (Posts: 3561; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
FHD is perfect for 4.5 to 10 inch in my eye at least.
720P was fine on such screen too but there is a clear difference between 720P and 1080 on such screen so 1080 is the best for thats size in my eye.
140. Canaan (Posts: 335; Member since: 25 May 2014)
They're not saying it's poor quality, but if you're going to be upgrading and paying that much money for something new, it should have better internals, software, etc to make the upgrade worthwhile.
Also, iPhone people say that quad HD is a gimmick now but wait until Apple releases a phone with quad HD and they'll be the first to praise it. It was the same with screen size for years, you guys said 4 inches was enough and and yet with the increased size Apple is currently experiencing a massive surge in sales now.
143. WallStreetWolf (Posts: 289; Member since: 08 Apr 2013)
Every iPhone has better internals than the last, a software upgrade and a display that ranks in the top tier year after year. That is an upgrade for Apple users. The average consumer isn't looking to spend an afternoon customizing their phone and isn't worried about how many cores their phone has. They want consistency, ease of use and customer service. People will pay for that and they know Apple will provide it. Popularity and brand recognition plays a huge part, but so does customer satisfaction and loyalty. A lot of us are happy customers. It isn't because we are sheep, it is because we prefer what Apple has to offer. There are a lot more Android users than Apple worldwide, so I can't see why they are so insecure.
The sales surge is not just iPhone 5 and 5S owners running to the Apple Store. A large portion of it is Android defectors who abandoned iOS because Apple refused to increase screen size, which didn't affect sales one bit year after year.
155. Canaan (Posts: 335; Member since: 25 May 2014)
I didn't call you a sheep though, it would be hypocritical of me considering I have an apple tablet. While it's true that it's consistent I don't really see them as major upgrades, the screens are not that different from the 5s, they've also been near the top with display because the iPhone always had better color accuracy than other phones, but android devices have since then caught up. It also comes down to preference, the Samsung phones of the past may not have been very color accurate, but some people actually preferred that pop in color.
The only issue I take with an iPhone is the low RAM, tumblr can be frustrating to use with such low RAM with the page reloading because the RAM can't handle all the content on certain pages. Also the PPI I've gotten used to higher resolution screens, when I watch YouTube videos I immediately switch them to 1080P.
158. WallStreetWolf (Posts: 289; Member since: 08 Apr 2013)
I wasn't referencing you as calling me a sheep, rather the masses that continue to toss Apple owners into that category. Especially since most of us don't use all Apple devices as are one and only. I have a MacBook Pro, but I mostly use my Lenovo Thinkpad running Windows 10 preview. I am a strong Windows supporter.
I can see your gripes. I just haven't had such issues regarding RAM, but that probably comes down to my use. The PPI resolution isn't discernible. I can't see the sharpness being of much value when the eye can't discern such differences.
150. nctx77 (Posts: 1959; Member since: 03 Sep 2013)
They do have an option. They can buy the 6 plus with a 1080p screen. I have it and honestly, it's not that noticeable from my old iPhone 5. The screen resolution crap is spec sheet jibber jabber. I haven't heard anybody complaining about their iPhones not having a sharp enough screen.
35. vergil9 (banned) (Posts: 517; Member since: 06 Apr 2015)
I used to say that, QHD is completely usesless on anthing under 6"
That is until I bought a Note 4.
86. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
There are advantages. Sharper pictures, better color tones, more efficient even with higher resolutions and more. Just because you are technically smart enough to understand and think its a gimmick, doesn't make it true.
Without the display the phone is almost useless for anything past being a phone or a paperweight. I guess 1080p TV is a gimmick too since it offers no advantages vs the old one...right?
Grow up and get educated.
126. marorun (Posts: 3561; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
Better resolution do not mean better color tones ect..
I beleive thats a 5 inch phone with a 1080p screen using all the latest technology would take less resources and look just as good.
So if you take exactly the same tech as the S6 screen. but make one at 1080p the only thing thats will be lower is the pixel count and everything else will be the same with lower GPU and battery usage so better battery life and user experience..
See the logic?
141. WallStreetWolf (Posts: 289; Member since: 08 Apr 2013)
Way to be condescending...
Better color tones are the only thing your eye can see, not PPI. You can't tell the difference between 441PPI and 577PPI on a 5.1in screen. Samsung was able to refine the color palette to reflect more natural tones. PPI means absolute sh*t after a certain point. They could have made the same revisions to a 1080p screen and boosted the battery life of the device.
Your TV analogy is such a poor argument in comparison to phones. 1080p was made available to consumers, because people wanted larger displays for their homes. It is the same reason 2K and 4K was made available. This is about getting a massive television and the clarity from a measured distance. I live in NYC and my bedroom has a 32inch Toshiba 720p TV. My back wall to my TV is about 11 feet. I had a choice in buying this television. I based it on measurement, display quality, color accuracy and refresh rate. I could have bought a 1080p version, but it made no difference. I was able to see a HD image with great color accuracy from 11 feet away regardless of which display I picked and the 720p was more energy efficient.
The point I am making is simple. You pick on Apple because they don't use a higher PPI screen. However, it makes no difference. The screen has great color accuracy and clarity from the distance in which it is held based on the size of the device. They finish near the top every year in screen quality with phones that have 100-200 more pixels in their display. We have a choice in what we buy. I don't care if you buy an 800PPI 5in device, but don't knock me for carrying a device that creates the a near same experience with less pixels.
97. engineer-1701d (unregistered)
oh yes you can tell the difference trust me i went from a 720p gs3 to the gs6 qhd and i got the gear vr and i tell you we still need smaller pixel's, what you said is something a common apple phone user would say even i said it myself until seeing the difference, but i still want a better battery density and size.
139. WallStreetWolf (Posts: 289; Member since: 08 Apr 2013)
That is because it was using a lower quality pentile matrix screen. The 306ppi it was putting out was more than useful for its size, but LCD was much better at the time. The color tones were changed to be more accurate and not as embellished on the S6, but you still can't tell the difference between 441ppi and 577ppi. It is impossible for the human eye to discern such things. I'm not knocking the screen on the S6, but keeping it 1080p while revamping the color gamut would have been a huge boost for battery life.
120. marorun (Posts: 3561; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
On 4.5 inch screen and bigger the difference between 720P and 1080P is clear as crystal to see but on smaller screen its not.
For 2k i cannot say for sure but at least 10 inch minimum to see the difference clearly.
26. AlikMalix (Posts: 5836; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Just so we're on same page, Retina doesn't mean specific ppi count, it means based on screen size, this is best ballance between what the eye can see at common distance and processor/battery optimization middle ground. I think it's spot on - Sharp, yet not a resource hog.
Why do Apple haters care what we Apple users are looking at... you're happy with your specs, I'm happy with mine.. It seems that you guys cannot get your "high" unless the specs are highest regardless of negative effect on battery and processor... I honestly do not see the benefit...
30. seanwhat (Posts: 280; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)
they don't 'care', they're just laughing at you in the same way that you would laugh at a tin foil hat wearer if you saw him wearing an actual tin foil hat. sure he might be happy with his tin foil hat, but it's stupid and it's doing nothing for him, and he wasted £200 on it because he bought it from some website that said it protects his brain 4x more than standard tin foil. the haters are commenting on the facts, not the way you feel about your phone.
57. arch_angel (Posts: 1651; Member since: 20 Feb 2015)
haha i love this post (points at post #30)
144. WallStreetWolf (Posts: 289; Member since: 08 Apr 2013)
And what facts are those? The only thing I have seen from people here is a clear lack of logic and objectivity.
31. Wiencon (Posts: 1870; Member since: 06 Aug 2014)
People just need to understand that choosing a product is result of many aspects combinated and personal preferences play biggest part in it.
32. hound.master (Posts: 1044; Member since: 27 Feb 2015)
I don't look for forward for Apple to go beyond retina resolution plus more pixel mean less frames on games but i personally like full HD at around 5 inch anything beyond this is useless for me.
40. seanwhat (Posts: 280; Member since: 11 Jul 2013)
higher res = better graphics in games though. you can talk all you want about higher res meaning nothing day to day, and that's fine (i agree that anything higher than fhd is pointless for this), but when you're taking about games and graphics it's a completely different kettle of fish.
128. marorun (Posts: 3561; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)
its question of size of screen.
a game running on 4k resolution on a 5 inch screen wont look better than a game running on 1080p on the same 5 inch screen.
If both screen use exactly the same tech.
34. Macready (Posts: 951; Member since: 08 Dec 2014)
The "Retina" moniker never included battery/processor optimizations or the term middle ground.
It generally described what we supposedly can still see at a "normal viewing distance", which depending on the purpose of display (size included), will indeed vary in PPI.
But viewing distance strongly varies per person too, as does eye sight (in both directions, 160% of what is considered 20/20, is still rather common, ask your optometrist).
46. Iodine (Posts: 1330; Member since: 19 Jun 2014)
Apple is all about balancing things nicelly. May or may not be sucesfull.
But yes retina has been criticized for having too high ppi back in 2010 (480p is perfect !) and now is critized for being too low. That means it doesn't matter what Apple does, it has to be bad acording to iHaters.
And for that unobjectivity iHaters opinion doesn't mean much.
If Apple will introduce a 2K display in some point in future, sudenly 4K displays will make sense to iHaters.
93. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
FALSE. The IPS display wasn't criticize for having to high of a resolution. It was criticized for having such a high resolution crammed into a small space simply because Steve Jobs says no one would buy larger phones.
At least he told the truth about one thing, he said Apple couldnt make a large screen device taht wasn't a piece of sh*t and the iPhone 6+ proves him right.
Oh and I know he didnt say that about big phones, I just fused 2 different things he said together. He did say Apple couldnt make a small ipad that wasnt a piece of sh*t and they were right.
98. engineer-1701d (unregistered)
4k is already starting production and i think we have a 4k phone out already.
63. tedkord (Posts: 11629; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
No, that's not how Apple defined retina. They claim it's the limit in resolution at approximately one foot viewing distance that the human eye can discern. And it pure BS.
85. Pattyface (Posts: 1612; Member since: 20 Aug 2014)
Ted when did you become the monarch for all android fighters? hmm
117. tedkord (Posts: 11629; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Does the truth cause you some kind of discomfort? what I stated was completely, 100% verifiably true.
125. Pattyface (Posts: 1612; Member since: 20 Aug 2014)
im just laughing that once again this article is proof of how bad the android fans have gotten on this site but you still believe that apple fans are worse. this very topic is riddled with a thousand fandroids attaching anything related to apple. its pathetic and id put you in that same pathetic boat.. just saying
130. Pattyface (Posts: 1612; Member since: 20 Aug 2014)
7 pages of android fans with an inferior complex was enough for you to understand what i meant. this topic alone proves my point from yesyesterday
92. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
Yet is is a resource hog. Because all backlit LCD panels are battery hogs. Why does the iPhoen 6 and 6+ have suck batterylife, yet the S6 and S6 Edge which both have larger display, a higher resolution and smaller battery vs the iPhoen last longer?
How is it the Note 3 which is also 5.5" and the Note 4 at 5.7" both last longer than the iPhone 6+?
Did you not see the battery tests on this site, because i did. In fact the S6 and S6 Edge even last longer than the iPhone 6+ too.
You are a failed fanboi because you are willing to dismiss facts to justify your fake/false beliefs.
104. arch_angel (Posts: 1651; Member since: 20 Feb 2015)
I hate saying this but i have to. you say this (It seems that you guys cannot get your "high" unless the specs are highest regardless of negative effect on battery and processor... I honestly do not see the benefit...) yet the iphone 6 literately has the worst battery life of all flagship phones released from 2014-2015 LOL. same could be said about 2013 and the 5s.....
95. engineer-1701d (unregistered)
they imprinted the word "retina" to its apple fans that did not know what a retina was, thats sad.
37. leftheodo (Posts: 95; Member since: 21 Oct 2011)
Is retina ppi perfectly fine for you as was the 4 inch display last year? You sh33ps never stop to amaze me. When Apple puts a QHD display on the iPhone it will be "the new standard" for you people. If you want a better battery life buy a Note 4 which destroys the iPhone in every way and has a QHD display. You can put an Apple sticker at the back if it makes you feel better...
83. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
What retina PPI? The 1080p display on the iPhone 6+ even though it is an IPS panel, does not cram the pixels in the space like the older models. You can look at the PPi number on the 6+ and compare it to the Note 4 and they are fairly close. Because the 5.5" display is smaller, the PPI count goes up a bit, but the gap is very small.
If it was a true IPS display like on the iPhone 4, the PPI would be above 600PPI on the 6+ and it isnt. Sorry its not better you just think it is
Oh and same for that lame 750p iPhone 6. Compare the PPI of the iPhone 6 with a phone with a 720p or 768p display.
Example, compare the display PPI fo the Galaxy S III vs the iPhone 6. The iPhone is 4.7" vs the S3 at 4.8". The iPhone has 326PPI which is where it was on the iPhone 4/4S models even though the display is .7" larger vs the S3 which is at 306PPI.
Where does havign the IPS display offer any benefit? NONE. Its ll in your head because you fell for Apple's marketing bullsh*t. Its that simple.
Retina Display is equal to the grass is green and the sky is blue, and a fool is always a fool.
107. Iodine (Posts: 1330; Member since: 19 Jun 2014)
IPS delivers really great wieving angles by shifting the orientation of displays liquid crystals into the display plane. The improvement is huge, if you ever seen an iPhone 3GS vs an iPhone 4 off axis.
And I don't understand your thinking about how iPhone 6 Plus does not "crap pixels up into the same space" because "it's not true IPS" and how should be "600 ppi".
Believe me IPS has nothing to do with resolution, even if you really liked to turn that into another reason why Apple is inferior.
3. AlikMalix (Posts: 5836; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
This would be a stupid move by Apple... Retina ppi on iPhone 5s is sharp, and they recalculated ppi for bigger screens of 6/6+ to accommodate larger size - what's the point of going further (is there a VR goggles in the making? that's the only reason we may need such density).. Please Apple dont fall into this needless spec race...