Apple iPhone 4 Specifications | Review
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39. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)
One of my buddies that works for Verizon actually brought up a really good point. Why would you wait until after the busiest buying seasons in the nation to release a phone. January in retail is notorious for slow sales. If most folks are already in contract or have renewed by then, why would Apple put out a new iPhone in January?
43. jherz6 (Posts: 216; Member since: 23 May 2008)
Your comment makes a lot of sense, however who cares if they do or not . Not I.
47. Trudat (unregistered)
You just answered your own question. If January's generally slow why not put out an Iconic device. After this article however any customers thinking of going droid will probably opt to wait till Jan for there new device upgrade...I know I am.
48. joguto (unregistered)
Exactly the point. Vz will have killer sales in the holiday season and then begin the new year with this. Don't get me wrong, I'm a droid guy all the way, but I know a lot, a lot, a lot of people that wants to switch as soo. As soon as vz gets this phone.
49. The Dude (unregistered)
Because Apple is in contract with AT&T. You have to wait until the terms of a contract expire or risk heavy penalties. AT&T knows the contract is ending soon and knows Apple is going to release the iPhone on other carriers, that's why they were offering anybody a one-time upgrade (with 2-year agreement) up to 6 months early this year.
2. THEOG (Posts: 20; Member since: 12 Jul 2010)
Think its a little to late apple. Android is out. I wouldn't say taking over but you guys could have had a lot better market share if you wouldn't have waiting so long. Or signed contracts with att so long. That left the window open.
40. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)
Thing is, you have to stop thinking like a nerd and think like a consumer. To the average consumer, Android is just an iPhone wannabe...of course that isn't reality. There are millions of people in Verizon that would put down their Android phone in a heartbeat for an iPhone. I do think you are right about folks moving from AT&T though...Now that they are in a $325 ETF contract, I think AT&T will stall folks from leaving so quickly. I think there is a reason why they made everyone eligible for an upgrade in 2010 able to get the iPhone 4.
44. jherz6 (Posts: 216; Member since: 23 May 2008)
Jeff iphone wannabe? I hardly think so. The androids do something the iphone has trouble doing, work properly.Just face facts the iphone is not the device it used to be. Even on applefacts.com they admitted that the iphone 4 was playing catchup to the droid and it didnt make it.
50. remixfa (Posts: 14253; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
jherz.. his point was that to "non informed" consumers, the iphone is the greatest thing since buttered bread and anything else including android is just a wanna be. He even said, of course it isnt actually true. U should read the whole comment before posting a reply.. iphone is for people that wanna be trendy and are not tech savy. android is for people that are more tech savy and want customization and raw power and features.
59. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)
Jherz6...you are still thinking like a tech nerd. I am not saying the iPhone is the end all be all. The consumer does! I've always said that is the reason why the iPhone has sold better than any Android phone out there because the iPhone is marketed to consumers and Android is marketed towards nerds. We care about the processor and screen resolution. We care that we can unlock and customize it. Consumers don't give two shits about that because most of the time, they don't even know how to get their email to work or their phone to stop freezing. To a consumer, the iPhone is the best phone on the market. But I think any of us who have worked in retail in general know that the average consumer are idiots. I swear Android fanboys are ridiculous. I bring up a very valid argument as to why you see the iPhone doing well and even that gets buried. Read my entire post and think about it before you bury what I said and offer a reply that has NOTHING to do with what I said.
60. easytochris (Posts: 126; Member since: 21 Jan 2010)
i would have to whole heartedly agree. i am an android user for the past year since the mytouch launched and it's a great phone because i can root it and have so many customization options. however i went from the iphone 2g to android, and i currently own an ipad. apple makes a great product that is very simple to use for the majority of consumers that want to have a smartphone, but dont want to have to take the time to learn the ins and outs. This is why the majority of iPhone users have not jailbroken their iphones, only the small percentage of tech savvy people that go to cell phone blogs. For the same reasons we hate apple for locking down their products and making it a pain to customize, the majority of consumers look at it as "there's not much i can do to screw this up" since there isnt much allowed for you to do to screw it up. also i'm not saying that i will switch to an iphone, but with the options that cydia provides to jailbroken ios devices, most things you can get from android, you can now get from iphone. you can tether, you can trick your phone into thinking that the 3g connection is wifi so you are able to run apps you wouldnt normally be able to, with ios4 you can multitask, and there is a 1ghz processor. i hate being a part of the android community sometimes because i swear so many of you guys dont give apple the credit the genuinely deserve.
62. networkdood (Posts: 6329; Member since: 31 Mar 2010)
Good point on eligibilty, except AT&T has been doing that since Year 2.
64. jherz6 (Posts: 216; Member since: 23 May 2008)
Remix, so what is your opinion? As a informed consumer as you prefess to be, do you think the droid x is an iphone wanna be? And your right I was a little quick to respond. But Im not sure if I agree, because even with all the different devices out there with the different platforms, such as iphone os, BB, windows based, and the android based smartphones even the average consumer that isnt as tech savy as you or I, and with the high etf's are doing a bit more reseach before buying a device.
66. jherz6 (Posts: 216; Member since: 23 May 2008)
Hey Jeff, no need to be rude, or call people names. No need for profanity. Did I hit a nerve? Your right I was a bit quick to respond that I should have read your post mor completely. But the day of buying something blindly because of the brandname are all but over. I work in retail, and have for ten years. Our customers are more interested in which item is going to be the best for there needs and get the most bang for there buck, no matter the brandname. If someone goes into a store and wants to buy a blackberry lets say, and has a paticular model in mind has more than likely done there research before they got there. The average consumers arent the mindless idiots you seem to think they are, and we as the well informed sales people it is our job to help our customers make a well informed choice. The androids are just the flavor of the month, just like the iphones were when they first came out, or the blackberry. So fanboys as you call them are just people who are excited about the new boy on the block. Dont forget without our customers we wouldnt have jobs in retail. ftw
67. Sellcell (Posts: 118; Member since: 16 Mar 2010)
Average consumer says, "Do you have the EVO?" My response, "No, sorry it's out of stock right now. What do you like about the EVO or why you interested in it?" Their response, "Because I hear it's like the iphone..." Seriously, the average consumer compares every phone out there to the iphone.
68. fishpower187 (Posts: 88; Member since: 22 Feb 2010)
+1. @Jeff. I get what you're saying here man. These jokers appearantly didnt take the time to read your statement, saw the words "iphone wannabe" and started foaming at the mouth.
69. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)
Sorry...I didn't know saying "gives two shits" offended you. Struck a nerve? I am more annoyed by these boards because just like you, folks get so worked up over this Apple Good war that they stop reading posts. They skim the first few sentences and then make a comment all while burying completely valid comments, points and discussions. I'm sorry, but customers are idiots. That's why folks in retail like you and I have jobs. If they weren't idiots then they wouldn't need us to answer their questions or tell them the handset that best suits what they need. And like EasytoChris said, one of reasons the iPhone is actually great is because it can't easily be messed up by a consumer. I even tell people, play around with it because there is nothing you can do to hurt the phone. I get that Verizon knows they need a different marketing strategy than Apple and so they went the tech root. But that scares the average consumers that are still even slow to text.
70. fishpower187 (Posts: 88; Member since: 22 Feb 2010)
@jherz, did you actually take the time to read what Jeff wrote? Here, for your conveniece, I ahve posted it again: "To the average consumer, Android is just an iPhone wannabe...of course that isn't reality". See, TO THE AVERAGE CONSUMER. To argue with that is just plain deluded. I work in a retail store, and the overwhelming majority of folks who come here always say "Oh, so thats your iPhone equilivent", or "so thats you guys version of the iPhone". The point here is that most consumers don't really get it. They see iPhones and then the see everything trying to copy an iPhone. Now, I am not some iPhone guy, Ive always been a BlackBerry user, until last year when the Droid came out, so please don't think I'm some apple fanboy.
71. fishpower187 (Posts: 88; Member since: 22 Feb 2010)
+1 @sellcell. Though I don't sell Sprint, that scenario plays out nearly every time someone comes to my store and asks about our Android devices; "because it's like the iPhone, right?" Swear I'm losing my patience with these folks. There are really few things more dangerous and/or annoying than some customer who read something on CNN regarding a rumored release of a device, or a review, and take it to be God's honest truth. I actually had a guy chastise me and cuss me out because I had the audicity to tell him that my carrier will not be selling the Evo 4G (and no, I don;t work at Sprint).
76. dk (unregistered)
I've had nothing but problems with my droid (and i've had it replaced twice). The concept is great but it has too many bugs still. I've never had any problems with any of my apple products though and neither has my sister who has the iphone 4.
3. ecml (Posts: 129; Member since: 23 Mar 2010)
If it "actually" comes to Verizon this January I'll buy it instead of getting the Droid X. But this is like the 200th rumor about Verizon getting the iPhone. I like my Moto Droid, but it's messed up now after I dropped it but I don't really wanna get a replacement because I want the Droid X but would whether want an iPhone instead but don't wanna go to AT&T wacko service lol.....And I'm not trying to be like that vzwfanman or whatever his name is haha.
65. numberonenygfan (Posts: 211; Member since: 19 Oct 2009)
i have the droid x.. its a great phone but the battery is terrible ... wait until they release an extended life battery before upgrading, and haggle the price of that down cause its horrible prob the worst in any phone ive ever had. however the x is easily the best and coolest device ive ever had as far as a phone is concernd. it pretty much does everything. if vzw gets the i phone it wont be to replace android and thats what some of the people on this site keep ssaying as far as android being a replacement for not having an i phone, i dont think you will see the sale of android handsets go down if vzw gets the i phone. it may even help android, based on the amount of people who already have it and are happy, the i phone will bring switchers from other carriers who want the best. and the best will be vzw and their trendy i phone. its going to happen and soon.. just no one knows.. upgrade wisley iphone lovers... haha
72. fishpower187 (Posts: 88; Member since: 22 Feb 2010)
+1 @nyg fan, I agree, it is an eventuality regarding Verizon's aquisition of the iPhone. Still, I just got a droid x and I agree with you there too, the thign is a beast! There is no knocking it. Sure, there is some smartass out there who will rail on its immense screen size. I think its rad, you think its rad, nuff said.
5. Whateverman (Posts: 3236; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Great! Yet another OS to troubleshoot.
6. yogabba (unregistered)
Apple is just too proprietary. Who wants to an iThing when Android devices can outperform without being stuck on just one device/company.
7. hornetmx (Posts: 71; Member since: 12 Mar 2010)
A friend that works at qualcomm confirmed they are making the cdma chip for the iphone. The only thing he couldnt confirm was for which company. I do believe sprint would be willing the sell their souls to get the iphone, and apple likes money. The smart play would be verizon since they do service approx 2x as many people as sprint. This is just going to be a big deal until the phone comes out, then people will realize this is not the 2nd coming of Jesus.
9. InstinctDemon (Posts: 74; Member since: 09 Nov 2009)
Verizon is the obvious choice for a CDMA version iPhone. There are factors in which I believe Sprint is going to have the honors with the Apple product. The first time was when I was on the phone with Sprint, the rep mentioned that the iPhone will make its way with Sprint, some time early next year (which I kind of believed her since after she mentioned it I was placed on hold and another rep was replaced), the news of the Clear's "Peel" that portable 4G connection for the iPod Touch, and Clear's announcement of merging LTE with WiMax. Rumors circulating that Sprint-T-mobile merger if Sprint were to connect with LTE. I don't but so many factors that have transpired that a Sprint iPhone will be coming.
16. Daddy (unregistered)
Why would iphone go to Sprint? Any wise business man would want 100 million over 40 million customer base.... DA!
18. InstinctDemon (Posts: 74; Member since: 09 Nov 2009)
Maybe because of principle, Verizon and Apple haven't been hunky-dory since the first Droid came out and not get some customers from the competition, Sprint has been very quiet regarding any iPhone issues. I don't know I could be wrong we'll just have to wait and see.
19. InstinctDemon (Posts: 74; Member since: 09 Nov 2009)
and Why Not get some customer from.. My grammar sucks today..LOL
24. VZWbamf (Posts: 61; Member since: 11 Oct 2009)
Sprint is flat broke. They LOST $800M in the 2nd qtr, they are having a hard time getting loans and they haven't posted positive earnings on over 3 years... I doubt they'll lure Crapple with money...
26. Vegas89 (Posts: 51; Member since: 15 Mar 2010)
It's sad but I know Sprint would jump at the Iphone like it was nobody's business. A Verison Iphone since Verison has really made Android the big OS now, you know that Jobs has nightmares about a green robot eating a apple so he'll probably say no to Verison
51. remixfa (Posts: 14253; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Sprint doesnt make enough money off their plans to be able to deal with apple. Apple gets a cut of the plan from ATT. If sprint is already negative money, an iphone would sink them not float them. It would go to VZW first, and then to everyone else more than likely just because of the possible money made.
73. JPrice (Posts: 34; Member since: 30 Jun 2010)
Actually, Sprint posted a total of 1.2 BILLION in free cash flow for the first half of 2010, if you are going to bash Sprint, get your facts straight, Verizon Fanboy
8. jared845 (Posts: 5; Member since: 31 Oct 2008)
Is it me or does this not make sense...............around Late 2010 Early 2011 VZW will begin to roll out the LTE network....Why would they create a CDMA Version of the IPHONE if LTE will be out around that time................Unless I dont understand LTE vs CDMA at all ! ! ! P.S I would like to get the IPHONE if given the opprotunity ! ! !
11. phonedemocracy (Posts: 98; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
Dude, Verizon's LTE network will start to roll out in 2011, but there's a snowball's chance i hell any phone will have LTE on it that year. The timeline would be LTE latop connect devices, see how those perform, than maybe by the end of 2011, but probably 2012 they will have LTE support on phones. AND EVERYONE KNOWS IPHONE USERS BUY A NEW PHONE EVERY YEAR SO THEY CAN MAKE AN LTE VERSION THEN, LOL.
12. bearwoody (unregistered)
Exactly. I'm due to upgrade next month and decided to wait until 1Q to get an LTE. Why get an iPhone then, only to have to wait a year to go LTE? The only reason I think this might be reality and not just a rumor is that it fits the pattern so well: the lemmings buy a CDMA iPhone in January, then in a year, when Apple releases an LTE iPhone, they all have to upgrade and buy another one. Sorry Apple, I love my MacBook, but the bear don't play dat.
22. Scribed3d (Posts: 28; Member since: 08 Aug 2010)
Verizon already has LTE base stations built in many major markets. They are waiting until they have regional market saturation with LTE base station coverage before greenlighting the system. Novatel has both an aircard and a mifi device, LG has an USB modem, and Sierra Wireless has an imbedded module all ready with dual mode LTE and EVDO systems. Lowell McAdam has committed to launching LTE in 30-40 markets in the forth quarter. LTE chipsets are also in the hands of Motorla, Samsung, and, most importantly, Texas Instruments and (of course) Qualcomm. The lag time of launching LTE handsets will not be as long as those with WiMax internationally. Actually, we need to thank Sprint/Clearwire for this. They forced Verizon to spend the extra bucks to ramp up their deployment with their success of WiMax. The more competition in the field means more options for us!
25. VZWbamf (Posts: 61; Member since: 11 Oct 2009)
Because Apple loves to make you buy the "new" version of their product every year. This way they can release a 4G iPhone late 2011 or early 2012 and sell twice as many! Hahaha
38. sinfulta (Posts: 268; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
LTE launches November 15th this year for VZW. Phones start 1st Quarter 2011.
52. remixfa (Posts: 14253; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i dunno.. if they really are thinkin about releasing an iphone on CDMA in january, it wouldnt make sence for it NOT to be LTE as well. Folks, LTE phones are still gonna work on CDMA.. lol. That would drive sales of the device as it would be one of .. if not the.. first LTE phone. Of course, its just another VZW rumor until something is leaked official.
10. 0157h7 (Posts: 6; Member since: 14 Jun 2009)
Why do you have electronista listed as the source, when they are a secondary source citing TechCrunch? Shouldn't TechCrunch be your source?
14. xtroid2k (Posts: 502; Member since: 11 Jan 2010)
Verizon will only benefit from this. You saw all the tools waiting online for that piece of junk. Plus verizon will not allow a handset on its network with all those issues ofcourse there is the exception (bb pearl, lg 8x series eheem).
33. Sniggly (Posts: 7230; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
If you mean the LG 8350, then you may have a point. That had the spring problem which broke the hinges. But the 8300 was a BEAST, dude. And the 8360 was pretty damn good too.
55. jkeskel (Posts: 52; Member since: 23 May 2009)
well, he said 8x, so it could include the Chocolate 8500 and the 8600 which were garbage as well.
15. russki123 (unregistered)
Haha... I think its funny how you guys still think theres going to be an imminent iPhone release for Verizon. The CEO of Verizon said iPhone is NOT in big red's immediate future. Overlooking the fact that apple and at&t are still in contract until 2012, people still want to believe this rumerous garbage of a CDMA iPhone. Whjy would Verizon get a CDMA iPhone when LTE (4G) is scheduled for release this November? Yet people still listen to erroneous sources. Thats like if someone started a rumor about me buying a new car. And i had no intention to buy a new car and i told everyone that there will be no new car for several years... yet everyone kept insisting that i was going to buy a new car this January... even though im not, even though i even came out and said im not.
17. hawk62 (Posts: 320; Member since: 21 Nov 2009)
This is rumor one Billion but it is looking to be more true. When this happens it is end game for att. It also will be a knife in android. No it won't kill it but many will leave for iphone. The iphone has the blind apple followers but also some of us just like the iphone better unless something changes with my X I would go right back to a vz iphone.
23. Scribed3d (Posts: 28; Member since: 08 Aug 2010)
People who keep waiting on what might come out next week/month/quarter/year don't get what they need right now. The iPhone has its appeal for many. Android satisfies my needs just fine. I bought an android device because of this. Next year, I may pull the trigger on an early upgrade or I may not. But I am looking at what I need today. Speculation like that just gives me a headache.
28. tedkord (Posts: 6509; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
If the only difference between the CDMA variant and the AT&T GSM model is insulation to address the death grip, isn't that tacit admission the design is flawed?
29. DonJulio (unregistered)
I personally think the iphone coming to sprint would be somewhat of a smart move. sprint would probably pay out the anus for a chance to move up in the ranks from number 3. not to mention there has been tension between apple and verizon since the release of the droid lineup. Add that with sprint's pricing and better coverage than at&t and it sounds like a winner. apple getting more money from a deal they can more than likely structure anyway they want and customers switching to sprint for an iphone with a cheaper plan
46. Aphone (unregistered)
Sprint might pay a lot, but so would Verizon and they have twice as many customers... To me that sounds like a double whammy. The "Tensions" between Apple and Verizon don't play a factor in business, everyone's about the money. I highly doubt any one of these big companies would let principal step in the way of major profit.
30. joey18 (Posts: 574; Member since: 20 Jul 2010)
ihope is thrue samsung or motorola is no rival for apple my contract expire on dicember ihope the phone goes to verizon
35. Sniggly (Posts: 7230; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Motorola is no rival to Apple, eh? Neither is Samsung? Lol. What an ignorant remark from a know nothing.
41. joey18 (Posts: 574; Member since: 20 Jul 2010)
im not ignorant just most people are waiting for the iphone so motorola sucks samsung is much better then motorola if apple has to move verizon --sprint is better you mama too