"Too many issues" prevented Microsoft from releasing Windows 10 Technical Preview on more phones

As of yesterday, you can installWindows 10 Technical Preview on your Windows Phone 8.1 handset, if you're partof the Windows Insider program, and if you have any of the following devices: NokiaLumia 630, Nokia Lumia 635, Nokia Lumia 636, Nokia Lumia 638, Nokia Lumia 730,or Nokia Lumia 830.


As you can tell, the list abovedoesn't include any high-end smartphones. However, Microsoft's Joe Belfioretoday said that they're working to bring Windows 10 Technical Preview to morehandsets, including the ex-flagship Nokia Lumia 1520.

According to Belfiore, thereason why only select Lumias can get the preview for now is that there are "toomany issues still" to be solved with Windows 10 for phones. The good newsis that, having the Technical Preview publicly available (even if not on allthe handsets you've expected), Microsoft can get early feedback from users - this way, itshould be able to solve all the problems and fix all the bugs before the finalversion of Windows 10 is launched (this summer).


If you can't get Windows 10Technical Preview on your device yet, you can check out this video to see whatit looks like on a Nokia Lumia 830.

source: Twitter via Neowin



1. Crispin_Gatieza

Posts: 3192; Member since: Jan 23, 2014

In other words, we don't want you to trash a $600 phone when you can experiment on a $40 phone. Didn't need Belfiore to tell me that, I was going to use my throwaway 635 regardless.

2. cripton805

Posts: 1485; Member since: Mar 18, 2012

Microsoft only has a handful of phones. Wasn't this the reason Microsoft was "SO" strict on specs? Unacceptable.

10. brrunopt

Posts: 742; Member since: Aug 15, 2013

IT'S A F*CKING TECHNICAL PREVIEW , they have more important things to do right now then getting it to work on all devices..

25. 87186

Posts: 312; Member since: Aug 01, 2014

unacceptable for a TECHNICAL preview not to work acoss all WP devices? haha ok.

26. oldhamletman

Posts: 72; Member since: Sep 03, 2011

it's an open beta, why would anyone complain? apple and android don't even offer this option to their users windows phone never gets viruses because apps are sandboxed, I've never had an appcrash on windows phone that happens routinely on android and apple and apple and android aren't even close on corporate and personal email / calendaring groupware, and windows phone is so inutitive that you use on average about half the touches to get something done the best thing i ever did was switch from android and the worst thing I ever saw was the bias against windows phone on Phonearena and by other users who have never really tried it for a couple of weeks to give it a fair shake. Everytime I see a Phonearena review, it's clear they don't know what the OS features are. Windows Phone is hands down the best OS for phones and I guarantee anyone coming on here to flame me hasn't actually tried it out for a couple of weeks and is just a fanboy

32. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

While I agree on lots of points its not without its problems or lack of features. And people know me here as a WP whore, with red lipstick smeared all over. Last night i had an app crash on me when editing a 40mb DNG file. Twice actually. Xbox music for me is slow when cortana finds the song and when it finally decides to take me there to download it. I have had a phone i was helping with crash to the blue frown of doom, luckily a reset with buttons worked and nothing was lost because of the win8.1 backup that is by far for me superior for a stock backup, nothing was lost except some app data here and there. SMS, contacts, pics etc etc were all fine. However, on from the bad side, i can agree that it is much more stable. Right before i wrote this, my personal Z3 crashed twice in the play store with a 'google services has stopped' error.

37. oldhamletman

Posts: 72; Member since: Sep 03, 2011

MS / Nokia has developed a LOT of phones... it's not a handful

3. jpkelly05

Posts: 110; Member since: Nov 13, 2012

You know. I am a die hard Android fan. I hated what Balmer did to MS. But this new MS is looking killer. If they can make laptops and phones work together in tandem... Android may have a problem. My only wish, is that Google starts developing Android for laptops. I know that takes quite a bit more work. But oh, my. Would that be something.


Posts: 261; Member since: May 03, 2013

Are you talking about chrome book?

28. fernancgf

Posts: 15; Member since: Dec 30, 2014

Are you seriously comparing a chrome book with a desktop?!?! Chrome books work for Internet browsing and media consumption but a Chrome book isn't capable enough... It's like comparing Microsoft Word and Google Docs... Google Docs can do the basics, Microsoft Word has any option that you will possibly need and even does that you don't need...

16. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

It depends. Currently Android does so well on phones because they are sold at 0 cost on nearly all carriers to the consumers via a free credit line for simply having service, and then the carriers reap the benefits. Also, standard ASOP for a laptop wouldn't even come with a Calander app, you would either have to rely on google, which would charge you for it, or build your own which most OEMs don't really care to do. Sure you could rely on people downloading stuff. But then you have the Linux problem of fragmentation on a desktop.

17. joey_sfb

Posts: 6794; Member since: Mar 29, 2012

Why is it a problem when I have a choice to choose which Linux distribution get installed into my newly assembled DIY computer instead of buying another overprice Windows license? Microsoft Windows was successfully in the past when they give user the freedom to pick and choose which applications get installed, the freedom to have third party software distribution e.g. steam and origin. If they want the whole pie for themselves than competition will seek alternative. Android is the bastard child when Microsoft and Apple gets in bed trying to end Google revenue channels thru Windows and OS X. Well, Karma has always been a bitch. LOL!

22. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

Have no what your trying to say by karma. And windows desktop has never stopped you from choosing what apps get installed. In fact, Windows has their program where no bloat is installed. Like my HP 7in windows Tablet. Not a single HP app on there from the start. And Windows or shall i say MS is hardly struggling in terms of cash. They dont rely 95% of their income on ads. Users want a desktop to simply plug and go, right now i dont see android as a plug and go solution on the desktop, but i could be wrong

30. fernancgf

Posts: 15; Member since: Dec 30, 2014

Windows is still successful, the 90% of the market share proves it... Linux is a good option but as the market share shows, average users aren't using Linux at all... Windows has problems, but is the fast track, is the OS that you install in almost any PC, almost without knowledge and you can install and run almost any program inside of it without a virtual machine... Is the simplest solution to the average and demanding user needs and that's why it keeps selling...

34. joey_sfb

Posts: 6794; Member since: Mar 29, 2012

I not saying windows is bad or linux is better. I say having choices is not a problem to me. In fact i recently get acquired with Ubuntu and are surprised at the level of plug and play it has achieved and the user base is also much bigger than i original thought. I put in one week effort to setup a media server that support a widely known to be the most advance file system, ZFS raid 2, which Windows lacks. The ZFS has 24 TB of storage space with two usbs drive as RAID 1 boot drive. Plug in a usb Bluetooth adapter and the OS recognised it and i was able to steam sound into my bluetooth speakers. The linux box also has valve steam and i am playing XCOM:Enemy Unknown on it. i have tried linux Manduke many years also and had left unimpressed but now after the Windows 8 saga valve steam is putting resources into Linux and its shows. elitewolverine before you bad mouth any thing please be an expert on the product. I am a trained Microsoft Lync expert.

36. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

Yay...kudos to your lync status. Means nothing to me for anything that is being talked about, nor your raid choice. My comment is a laptop built around google and how it would be a challenge. As stated, standard ASOP has no built in calendar and other essential apps that the hardware maker would have to put resources into. Not that its a big deal if you go with google services, which nearly all will. But then it becomes an atraction at that point of prices, and when people buy a laptop they are gonna want apps that have been around far longer than android has to run on it and they wont. As well, relying on android as a laptop replacement you are going to need drivers etc. Chrome book helps to some extent but they are far from taking the market by storm, and working in my job where i do, i see more people unhappy with them than i do see people other platforms. Right now the compatibility of software and hardware is extremely in Windows favor, and while the years have helped linux and distros, its still not all the way there. So if you took my post as a badmouthing to android, here is a rocket to sell you on the way to the moon plot i got for sale. No where in my two did i bad mouth anything, or say it was a 'horrible' choice. I just pointed out a problem it would face.

29. fernancgf

Posts: 15; Member since: Dec 30, 2014

Agree.... Agree... Agree... Microsoft has potential, a lot of potential... If they make a Apple equivalent connection between devices considering that they already have Computer, Tablet, Smartphone, XBox they could make the best ecosystem so far... Microsoft controls the 90% percent of the Desktop/Laptop market share, one of the two biggest gaming consoles around, they are gaining market share in tablet and smartphones, slowly but they are gaining marketshare... I remember the times when Symbian was unbeatable, when Android wasn't a thread to Apple and now Symbyan is dead and Apple/Android are about the 50% of the market each one... This could be the next big change in the Mobile world... The Mobile industry is really unstable and I can't imagine a mobile version of Illustrator or Photoshop or InDesign as capable of the desktop ones... Some tasks need to be done on desktop because of the work load and multi tasking needs... But I can imagine app developers rewriting their the apps for Microsoft, because, at the end, it will also work in the desktop version and is easier to write a 45MB app than a 3500MB piece of software as Autodesk 3D Max...

31. oldhamletman

Posts: 72; Member since: Sep 03, 2011

windows phone has been completely integrated on the cloud with any windows desktop for almost 3 years now... totally unified user cache ans files, so it's been totally unified for 3 years, just MS hasn't been good at communicating that fact and sites like phonarena haven't been good at knowing what the OS does. the unification was the primary reason I dropped android.... you just enter your user name and password on a windows phone and literally instantly you have all your contacts, files, email, text history, office apps, mobile apps... everything... instantly windows phone is the best thing since sliced bread and it's been fully integrated since 2011

38. oldhamletman

Posts: 72; Member since: Sep 03, 2011

Theyve already had fully integrated users across tablet, pc, laptop and phone for 3 years, MS just hasn't been very good getting the news out

4. theguy2345

Posts: 1216; Member since: Jun 24, 2014

Hopefully they bring to other phones sooner than later. Really want to put it on my old Lumia

6. fisticuffs

Posts: 4; Member since: Dec 17, 2014

Lumia Black and Win 8.1 never came to the Icon..... MSFT really pisses me off. That phone was the perfect peice of hardware, and they stopped with the software updates 6 months in. Boo-urns!

7. sip1995

Posts: 1771; Member since: Feb 07, 2014

Let me tell you something, Verizon is the one who approves OS and Firmware updates...

8. Penny

Posts: 1871; Member since: Feb 04, 2011

They just updated the Icon with Denim 8.1.1 this week.

9. Jason78

Posts: 281; Member since: Apr 10, 2013

The Lumia Icon got the Denim update this week: http://www.gsmarena.com/verizons_nokia_lumia_icon_is_finally_getting_the_denim_update-news-11157.php Don't blame Microsoft for the delay, blame Verizon. The unbranded version of the Icon (the Lumia 930) got the Denim update months ago.

12. jojon

Posts: 437; Member since: Feb 11, 2014

you direct that to where it belongs, your SP, not MSFT

11. elitewolverine

Posts: 5192; Member since: Oct 28, 2013

Seriously? PA that is the title line you give? Is it sad that most WP users here could do a better job covering the preview of 10 on phones? Come on, don't let users down. Here, lets rewrite your title: "The reasons why high end Lumia's did not get preview" And you can post this quote from Aul: ""We have a feature that will be coming soon called "partition stitching" which will allow us to adjust the OS partition dynamically to create room for the install process to be able to update the OS in-place. Until this comes in, we needed devices which were configured by mobile operators with sufficiently sized OS partitions to allow the in-place upgrade, and many of the bigger phones have very tight OS partitions. Note that this doesn't mean that Windows 10 will take more disk space than Windows Phone 8.1, it's just a function of the upgrade process at this point. Once the partition stitching feature is completed, many more devices will be supported." As you can see here dear readers of PA, it was not a fact of getting just an update to the devices. It is literally redoing the framework of the OS Partition of bigger phones that carriers have tighter control over. Why was the 1520 on stage running one? We can come to the conclusion that the device they are running is free of Carrier Constraints (go figure). Come on PA!

14. jojon

Posts: 437; Member since: Feb 11, 2014

This site will never represent MSFT and it's minions in a favorable light, nonetheless, a brave post elitewolverine

35. Krjal

Posts: 441; Member since: Dec 19, 2013

Good post. Thanks for the info that should've been in the article to begin with! That's the kind of interesting stuff I actually want to read about :) Hope you're taking notes, PA!

13. -box-

Posts: 3991; Member since: Jan 04, 2012

Part of the reason also os that Microsoft wanted to limit the deployment of the TECHNICAL PREVIEW to a small batch of chipsets so they could capture and document issues with them, and prevent issues on older and/or more powerful hardware. It's very clever, akin to google testing Android 5.1 on a Galaxy S4, S5, Note 3, HTC One, Moto G/E, and Nexus 5 versus a Note 4, Nexus 6, and upcoming S6 because they're already established and popular models that folks would certainly want to update the OS on

18. Aplusk

Posts: 120; Member since: Nov 10, 2013

I installed WP 10 technical preview on my lumia 730 via windows insider app. Can someone tell me how can i downgrade back to WP 8.1. Because WP 10 has lots of bug, heating and battery draining fast. Thanks !

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