TSMC to start manufacturing iPhone 7s and iPhone 8 chips soon
by Kaloyan C. / Mar 27, 2017, 8:05 AM
Here's a friendly reminder that even though we've been hearing about them for months, the upcoming new entries in the iPhone line – the iPhone 7s, 7s Plus, and iPhone 8 – are still months away from launch. A new report from Chinese-language publication Economic Daily News says that production of the new A11 processor, which is said to power the upcoming devices, will be starting production soon.
The chip will be manufactured by Apple's regular chip partner, Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company, and production will begin in April to accommodate for the devices' September launch. The new processor will be built on 10 nm FinFET technology, which is an upgrade over its predecessor, the A10 Fusion, which used a bulkier and more power-hungry 16 nm design.
TSMC is expected to produce more than 100 million A11 chips before the end of the year, which is slightly more than last year's production. Apart from that, however, production is on par with last year's schedule, meaning rumors of the iPhone 8 launching near the end of 2017, rather than together with the 7s pair, might actually be true, which would explain the lack of a significantly higher production this year.
While we don't yet know that much about this year's upcoming iPhone 8, a few things seem to be set in stone – the edge-to-edge display, the lack of a physical button on the front, and the addition of wireless charging being a few examples. If you're itching for more information about the device and its siblings, you can take a look at our rumor round-up, or maybe just see what we think Apple's newest flagship will look like.
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You know what...? I'm probably thinking out loud here but... I wonder why Apple don't use ARM Cores...? Apple used an ARM Cortex-A9 in iPhone 4 if my memory serves me right and use Intel based processors in its Mac Computers so why Apple ditched this idea with The iPads and iPhones…? Considering the EXTREMELY high profit margin of Apple, it’s clear as day that Apple cares about nothing but piles of cash so why spend huge amount of money on R&D…? Why not just go with an ARM’s licensed core and build a custom SoC around it…? Like Huawei’s Kirin, for example…? This way, they won’t have to worry about ‘unprecedented’ issues like ‘hiss gate’, for example… And I guess it'll be cheaper too... Oh well, G’Day!
posted on Mar 27, 2017, 8:25 AM 1
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It could mean a higher R&D cost, but it also gives Apple the opportunity to better optimize the hardware with the software, at least at launch that is, Apple started using custom cores with the iPhone 5, and they used Dual core chips until the iPhone 6s while others were using Octa-core chips. Let's just say that Apple wants to control it's ecosystem, it wants the hardware, software, and services to work just as they envisioned it. And that would also mean why their ecosystem is also not an open source one.
posted on Mar 27, 2017, 8:47 AM 1
Customizing their cores allows them to design their cores and architecture around iOS better, they also have a ridiculously large SoC design team(over 1,000 employees) working on CPU/GPU/SoC architecture. They did buy PA Semi years back, Apple's SoC team is like mini ARM company They do use ARM cores, but they are just extremely heavily customized, they want to go for massive single core performance over more cores, ARM at the moment does not provide powerful single core performance solutions like what Apple does in their SoC's Not only that but they customized stuff like Touch ID on the logic board with their own encryption algorithms, etc So really them designing their own SoC's is a positive/positive for them "Hissgate" lol what? That's just a defect in some devices that should be replaced out. It's called coil whine and every single electronic in some form makes coil whine "hiss" , most of the time it is inaudible and you can't hear it at all, sometimes, in the way that some SoC's/chips/electronics get made off the factory line, some make more sound then others. Not acceptable to have a device/electronic be making electrical frequency sounds thats audible so you just get it swapped out
posted on Mar 27, 2017, 10:24 AM 1
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Nicely explained Cores sizes excluding caches are: Hurricane is 4.18mm2 Kryo is 2.79mm2 M1 is 2.06mm2 A72 is 1.54mm2 A73 will be ~1mm on 10LPE Zeyhr is 0.78mm2 A53 is 0.45mm2 Once you include caches the difference is even bigger
posted on Mar 27, 2017, 4:50 PM 1
Posts: 498; Member since: Jun 18, 2014
I must admit that it will probably be way better than the snapdragon 835 and exynos 8895 but maybe the note 8 will have a new exynos chip to compete with it
posted on Mar 27, 2017, 8:39 AM 0
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Even as an iPhone 7 user, I honestly don't see the any real world improvement anymore. It's all about optimization. Google and Apple are both working hard on this and it show with the google pixel and iPhone 6s and up. If Samsung could seriously lighten the load of their TW they would create a screaming fast phone with an SD 805 tbh.
posted on Mar 27, 2017, 8:43 AM 2
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"If Samsung could seriously lighten the load of their TW they would create a screaming fast phone with an SD 805 tbh." Serious question: what the heck are you talking about, man? TouchWiz has gotten more than light enough, already. You need to update yourself on the recent TouchWiz iterations, before spewing outdated claims.
posted on Mar 27, 2017, 8:51 AM 1
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Its no secret that TW is the slowest of skins from the main providers. It gives you an abundance of features but is jittery and slows down heavily. I am updated on the versions of them and they still hang on various occasions. If TW is light, than it needs to be rewritten from the ground up so it stops being a resource hog.
posted on Mar 27, 2017, 9:02 AM 3
Can't explain this to a Samsung fan lol this is so well known, TouchWiz devices have more jank then other devices plain and simple, lets see if the S8 finally solves this issue A device like the Nexus 6 with a 3 year old S805 is still "smoother" then a Note 7/S7 in UI operation despite them having the much better S820
posted on Mar 27, 2017, 10:31 AM 1
Dude TouchWiz is still bloated and the UI of Galaxy devices is still not as smooth as other flagship devices, This is very well known. A device like the Pixel and others literally have 100+ less processes running in the background vs Galaxy devices https://www.xda-developers.com/with-the-note-7-samsung-still-delivers-embarrassing-real-world-performance/ ^A great article on TouchWiz performance at the moment and how they can get improve, the folks at XDA compare Note 7 with a few other devices including the Nexus 6 Shamu. They used built in Android tools in developer options that gives them plenty of information on UI performance/background performance/etc in real time. Touchwiz devices still struggle to maintain 60 FPS alot which is known as "jank"
posted on Mar 27, 2017, 10:26 AM 2
Agreed bucky. On your other point, we have reached the point of SoCms getting really fast for most operations, kind of like diminishing returns in a way but it bodes great for future OS/app updates as everyone gets more features/apps become even larger in size and feature set.
posted on Mar 27, 2017, 10:36 AM 0
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Looks like iPhone 7s only thin year if it's only slightly more chips than the 7 order. If they really were going for a 2017 IPhone 8 with such a big change, they would order a lot more than they did for the 7. I can't wait until until I see the sheep trying to justify just an iPhone 7s revealed at the show when the GS8 and LG6 have 80% or higher body to screen ratio while the iPhone 7s stays bezelicious. I expect some ridiculous comments about durability and ergonomics or some predictable stuff like that. Should be good.
posted on Mar 27, 2017, 10:52 AM 0
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