Samsung ordered to pay Apple $548M in patent case, but may get a refund

Samsung ordered to pay Apple $548M in patent case, but may get a refund
Four years after Apple filed the original patent infringement lawsuit against Samsung, the verdict is in and Samsung has been ordered to pay Apple $548 million. Of course, that doesn't mean the fight is over, because the two sides still disagree over whether or not Samsung will be able to get back any of the damages it will pay.

Samsung did confirm that it will pay Apple $548 million before December 14th (assuming it gets the bill from Apple before this weekend); but, the statement from Samsung also claims that the company "continues to reserve all rights to obtain reimbursement from Apple." We're not exactly sure what grounds Samsung might have to claim a "reimbursement" from Apple, and Apple seems a bit confused as well, because it claims Samsung has no right to get any money back. 

However this works out, it should finally mean the end to an interminably long legal battle between Samsung and Apple. As we noted, Apple first filed the lawsuit in 2011, claiming that Samsung had infringed on patents for features like tap-to-zoom and multi-touch gestures. Samsung ended up losing and while Apple originally asked for $2.5 billion, that number has been brought down to the final fee of $548 million. 

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47 Comments

1. darkkjedii

Posts: 30903; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

Samsung just pay Apple, and get the money back, when TSMC can't fulfill all of the A10 orders and Apple comes a calling. Charge a little extra for those AMOLED screens in 2018 too.

6. shiftt

Posts: 333; Member since: May 03, 2015

Preach.

7. combatmedic870

Posts: 983; Member since: Sep 02, 2015

I agree, f**k them up!

10. cncrim

Posts: 1585; Member since: Aug 15, 2011

I don't think Samsung can do that 1. Samsung have contract with Apple if she preach the contract the damage could just as devastate as patent case because I'm sure it is in black and white without grey area. 2. Samsung is not own Oled industry, some other manufacture more than happy make screen for Apple for less.

15. darkkjedii

Posts: 30903; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

Samsung doesn't have a contract to produce the A10, thus they have leverage. The AMOLED screens talks are in a preliminary stage, so they also have leverage there. If all these companies can produce screens for less, then why has Samsung been Apples main source over the years?

27. joevsyou

Posts: 1091; Member since: Feb 28, 2015

because sammy makes the best hardware out of the other manufactures

29. darkkjedii

Posts: 30903; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

Exactly, and Apple knows that. That's why there's so many Samsung components in the iPhone, just a fact.

32. joeytaylor

Posts: 957; Member since: Feb 28, 2015

Samsung makes the best displays hands down

34. darkkjedii

Posts: 30903; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

Can't argue that

17. konoluka2016 unregistered

Disagreement here apples greed but that's fine what goes around comes around Apple

28. joevsyou

Posts: 1091; Member since: Feb 28, 2015

business is business, you don't cross one part with the other part over childish s**t

33. ibend

Posts: 6747; Member since: Sep 30, 2014

or just refuse A10 orders and let them suffers :evilgrin:

35. darkkjedii

Posts: 30903; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

That post, is why you don't run a major tech company.

2. Macready

Posts: 1813; Member since: Dec 08, 2014

"We're not exactly sure what grounds Samsung might have to claim a "reimbursement" from Apple" Read the Foss Patents article, it lays out the situation quite well. One of the most important patents of the case, 915 ("bounce effect") was ruled invalid by the USPTO, many of the other design patents of the cases at hand, are under fire too. Hence why Samsung sees opportunities to get a large chunk/most of the money back after these cases have been fully wrapped up (possibly including full reopening).http://www.fosspatents.com/2015/12/samsung-announces-payment-of-548.html

3. babyk

Posts: 379; Member since: Nov 03, 2011

apple are idiots however i can put this. Samsung just needs to up their price on Amoled.

8. Subie

Posts: 2324; Member since: Aug 01, 2015

And what will upping the price on Amoled do? Oled tech is not owned by Samsung and can be obtained from other panel manufacturers.

11. Deca-core

Posts: 75; Member since: Nov 20, 2015

motorola,nokia,lg and some other oems use oled's for their phones but none of them are even close to samsungs amoled.

14. Subie

Posts: 2324; Member since: Aug 01, 2015

Maybe, but that has nothing to do with my point. Apple could design their own and have it built by AU optronics or lg. Whether or not it's a better screen then anyone else's "in your or my opinion" is irrelevant. It would sell!

21. pendragon0202

Posts: 164; Member since: Feb 23, 2015

Apple could design their own? Yeah, so easy! A company with no previous tech in display manufacturing can just avoid thousands of Samsung owned oled patents and design them! Why do you think AU and JDI and Sharp who were in the display business for so long are yet to mass produce oled displays and cannot compete with Samsung?

22. engineer-1701d unregistered

Except that Samsung hold more patents then anybother in amoled, oled, tech thanks to huge r and d budget I say when the rest fail and the chips can't be made Samsung charge 3 times normal price for reasons of having to cut production of there own soc and also you don't design oled screens and have others make them, doesn't work like that

41. Subie

Posts: 2324; Member since: Aug 01, 2015

"doesn't work like that". Well engineer it seems to work like that for everything else apple DESIGNS including their own Soc's. Apple doesn't seem to build anything themselves, and if you think that a 3/4 of a trillion dollar company couldn't design a screen and have someone else build it for them well ....

46. Napalm_3nema

Posts: 2236; Member since: Jun 14, 2013

Sorry, but you're wrong. Samsung, like most OLED/AMOLED manufacturers, licenses most of their technology from Universal Display. So, yes, Apple, or pretty much any OEM, could work with UD to design a screen and spool up production wherever they wanted. Samsung has a huge R&D budget because they make thousands of products. I doubt they spend more than anyone else in mobile on just mobile.

50. pendragon0202

Posts: 164; Member since: Feb 23, 2015

Sorry, but you're wrong. Please explain why then AU, JDI, Chingwha and Sony cannot beat Samsung with its oled game. Design and licensing is one thing, Having know-how in mass manufacturing with high yields at the right price is another thing. Ask Toshiba and Elpida why they lost the memory chip war against Samsung. Have you ever heard of "Chicken game"? Memory chip and display manufacturing business requires huge investments with razor thin margins in return. Do you think Apple will risk their trillion usd for this? Keep dreaming.

44. roscuthiii

Posts: 2383; Member since: Jul 18, 2010

"apple are idiots however i can put this. Samsung just needs to up their price on Amoled." Using influence in one market to affect another... by definition, monopolizing. A big no-no.

4. zeeBomb

Posts: 2318; Member since: Aug 14, 2014

Apple. You win some (Samsung), and you lose some (Patent case)

20. Hexa-core

Posts: 2131; Member since: Aug 11, 2015

Yeah, Apple has alredy lost about 725mil in patent lawsuits this year versus SmartFlash and University of Wisconsin Madison.

5. combatmedic870

Posts: 983; Member since: Sep 02, 2015

This is stupid!. Samsung is going to f**k them up when they offer 10nm processes before anyone else. Samsung do your thing. Apple will only be at the top for so long. I don't understand it. I have an iPhone 6. It's not really that great of a phone! I hate patent wars and I hate this. Samsung will make this back in 10 weeks(or already has) with the A9 processor.

9. EC112987

Posts: 1214; Member since: Nov 10, 2014

Love both companies so i hope this is resolved...

12. praveensingh569

Posts: 5; Member since: Oct 13, 2015

Today Samsung is loosing and it will and I'm also leaving Samsung and choose other android phones I don't know why Samsung make so many models of a single device and forget to update it in time which is very irritating

13. Diezparda

Posts: 941; Member since: Oct 23, 2013

Today enemy, tomorrow friends and diehard fans will continue to stab each other.

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