After hearing arguments today, Supreme Court leans toward allowing suit against Apple to proceed?
by Alan Friedman / Nov 26, 2018, 12:54 PM
Yesterday, we told you that the U.S. Supreme Court would be hearing arguments today on whether to allow a class action suit against Apple to proceed. The suit, originally filled back in 2011, alleges that the Apple App Store is a monopoly since Apple's iOS devices can only install apps from that location. The suit claims that as a result of this monopoly, paid app prices are higher than they should be. Apple says that the app developers are the ones who set the price of their apps; the plaintiffs counter that Apple is to blame because the company takes a 30% cut of an app's revenue.
A report published today by Reuters says that the Supreme Court is now finished hearing arguments from both sides. Based on questions and comments made by the nine justices, Reuters says that the highest court in the land appears to be in favor of letting the suit proceed against Apple in lower court. Both sides spoke for about an hour in total. Apple was backed by the Trump administration as U.S. Solicitor General Noel Francisco argued in front of the court on behalf of the administration, stating that consumers are not affected by having to purchase apps for iOS devices from the App Store.
Apple's own attorney was questioned vigorously by both conservative and liberal justices. Liberal Justice Elena Kagan said that as far as she was concerned, an iOS user purchasing an app from the App Store "engaged in a one-step transaction with Apple." On the other hand, Chief Justice John Roberts, a conservative, seemed to agree with Apple's position.
The plaintiffs in the class action suit against Apple claim that app developers add Apple's 30% take into the price that consumers pay for apps. Last year, developers took in $26 billion in revenue from the App Store, a 30% gain from 2016. The average price of a paid app in the App Store is $1.
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If consumers keep buying why does Apple and developers have to resort to lower app fees. Makes no sense. Apple is just fortunate to have a better customer retention within their own App Store.
posted on Nov 26, 2018, 1:08 PM 0
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I agree, this lawsuit is frivolous. What they should be going after is preditory practices by these mobile gaming studios that target users with addictive tendencies and impulses to spend hundreds, if not thousands of dollars in a single month on in-app purchases. I think the freemium model needs the same type of stringent regulations and safeguards put in place that casinos have. These companies spend a lot of money in hiring psychologists to study the psychological constructs of people and build their monetary system in a way that facilitates compulsive spending habits.
posted on Nov 26, 2018, 1:19 PM 1
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thank god. apple app prices are prices way more expensive than the android counterparts.
posted on Nov 26, 2018, 1:41 PM 2
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and the quality is usually better so.....
posted on Nov 26, 2018, 2:28 PM 1
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Not always. The knmy quality is iOS apps use better code. However Google apps as an example are not better on iOS. They are just better period and they offer the same benefits whether you use them on iOS or Android. Microsoft Office is better on Android, because Android works like Windows and is more open to things like an open file system. OFFICE IS WORSE on iOS because of this. Because you have to work around this issue. Social media and other apps are basically the same on iOS as Android. The few apps thatvare exclusive toniOS, well you can't compare whether they are better somewhere else. Please list an app that is so much better on IOS vs Android so I can compare. Facebook is what mostbtry to use. But it better on Android because Andeoid makes it easier to share media files vs iOS. Facebook yes does "look" better kn iOS, but it does not function better. In fact with most apps avail on both, thebAnxroid version tends to have more features and capabilities do to the openness of Android and that same experience is ruined because of the nature of iOS being close. And the few app you could list that you think are better, may be better to you. That doesn't make them. Better for everyone else. Again that is what is wrong with fans. They think because it suits them ut suits everyone. That isn't how it works bruh. MS Office is one of the most popular apps available on multiple platforms. And it is worse on iOS. I'm talking major apps here. Not some oneoff apps you can name.
posted on Nov 26, 2018, 2:58 PM 2
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This dude has absolutely no idea what he is thinking about. With very few exceptions (SwiftKey just to name an important one), every app is better on iOS; even google pushed features first on iOS (YouTube dark mode). Facebook on Android is horrible (when I used exclusively Android I was hardly using it - and I need to, because I manage some pages); WhatsApp just got to be backed up in the cloud but unencrypted; outlook (and other ms apps - again, you know absolutely nothing: ms office suit is good on both) is ok, but still not as clean as on iOS; the share menu is cluttered with (mostly) useless options at the top.
posted on Nov 27, 2018, 1:00 AM 0
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Because you're to busy looking at this from a fan perspective. How about this. As a dev, Apple blocks and steals apps and this has been proven. When they stole wireless sync from Greg Hughes. An open iOS market will first take away too much control by one company y which is the issue of a monopoly. Just because you're ok with it, doesn't mean utsvright. The app store could have 3 times as many apps, but the other good ones are features apple blocks because it wants to make them available for profit. With an open market, iOS could be able to do more things and it would allow foe dev's to recoup some of rheb30% the lose ro Apple. In fact, top dev's like Spotify who make their own apps want a free open iOS market because they don't want to pay Apple 30%. With Google Play no dev has to pay Google 30% because Android apps can be downloaded like any normal file. You know. The way all operating systems work, accept iOS. Because of this a dev ca make their apps avail anywhere. So they can recoup some losses, they can host apps thatbother sites may block for no valid reason Yes it also opens apps up to more malware and gross people who want to steal your data. But again, remember reputible firms steal those things too. Facebook as an example. So any argument against open iOS market is BS because even with the huge proliferation of malware kn Windows and even Andeoid, it is not a problem for the vast majority. It never has been or never will be, so that's not an argument either. The majority will always buy dirextkg from Apple. But they don't have to be the only source and since no one else is like that, no one should be. Keeping apps exclusive to Apple store, has not provided any consumer benefit. Consumers know how to shop foe whatvthey want from multiple sources. If I can get soap at Walmart for less money than Cistco, then yes I will go to Walmart. It's the same soap. Why should I pay more for it, just because I bought it from you? And because you refuse to think like a consumer, you don't see what is wrong with what they are doing. Whatbtheyvare doing is making sure 100% of the money comes to them Microsoft charges zero to make apps for Windows. Imagine how much cash they miss on. They make money because many devs buy MS apps needed to make apps for Windows. So Apple charging for the SDk for iOS bnb or OSx is fine. But also consider, Google SDK costs nothing. Because even though profit is important to all companies, Apple is the only one that relies on it from very few streams and it hurts customers because we are being charged to much. If you can't see the problem, then you basically have a problem. Think about if all iPhone accessories came from Apple vs others. Other who lay foe Apple licensing. Look how much cheaper and more versatile they are.
posted on Nov 26, 2018, 2:44 PM 1
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My head hurts trying to read your argument, so I gave up. How about using paragraphs next time, it will help others a great deal.
posted on Nov 26, 2018, 3:06 PM 2
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The Apple app store fits the definition of a monopoly. The iPhone is a product made by Apple so they do have the right to make money from selling you apps through their app market. I'm not a legal expert so I can't say I know if it's legal for them to prevent you from using a competing app market.
posted on Nov 26, 2018, 5:37 PM 0
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Point to note: Apple last month encouraged Devs to force subscribers for Subscription model, than one time payment paid app model. Devs are NOT the ones, who really are greedy.
posted on Nov 27, 2018, 12:58 AM 1
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