RIM angry at Apple over press conference; calls use of BlackBerry phone "unacceptable"

RIM angry at Apple over press conference; calls use of BlackBerry phone "unacceptable"
Owners of the Apple iPhone 4 might feel a little better after Friday's press conference, but up north in Canada, RIM is about to have a conniption. In a statement from both Mike Laziridis and Jim Balsillie that spews forth anger and wrath, the CEO pair calls Apple's use of a BlackBerry phone to "distort the public's understanding" and "deflect attention" from the iPhone's problems "unacceptable". During the press conference on Thursday, Apple CEO Steve Jobs showed on video how Apple was able to replicate the "death-grip" on a BlackBerry Bold 9700 and showed how the signal bars dropped when the Bold was gripped tightly.

The statement from the pair of RIM CEOs says, "Apple's attempt to draw RIM into Apple's self made debacle is unacceptable. Apple's claims about RIM products appear to be deliberate attempts to distort the public's understanding of an antenna design issue and to deflect attention from Apple's difficult situation. RIM is a global leader in antenna design and has been successfully designing industry-leading wireless data products with efficient and effective radio performance for over 20 years. During that time, RIM has avoided designs like the one Apple used in the iPhone 4 and instead has used innovative designs which has reduced the risk of dropped calls, especially in the areas of lower coverage. One thing is for certain, RIM's customers don't need to use a case for their BlackBerry smartphone to maintain proper connectivity. Apple clearly made certain design decisions and it should take responsibility for these decisions rather than trying to draw RIM and others into a situation that relates specifically to Apple."

A rather strong statement from the RIM CEOs and we will see if some of the other companies whose phones were highlighted along with the BlackBerry 9700 by Steve Jobs-HTC (Droid Eris) and Samsung (Omnia II) have anything to add to the statement by Laziridis and Balsillie. In the meantime, we would not invite the RIM duo to any party where Steve Jobs is expected to attend.

RIM BlackBerry Bold 9700 Specifications | Review (T-Mobile)
Apple iPhone 4 Specifications | Review

source: Crackberry



56. GlenF

Posts: 50; Member since: Nov 02, 2009

I took the cases off all three of my phones. My Droid, My PRE and My girlfriends BB and this didn't happen once. I live in a rough service area where i get two bars max, and no matter how i held any of the three phones, i couldn't get them to drop bars or drop calls. And from someone that has also owned an Onmnia I and a Curve, i'm calling shenanigans on this. Jobs is a scumbag

54. jpropin

Posts: 152; Member since: May 20, 2010

Give Jobs a break, people! He saw Toyota bring up exploding Ford Pinto gas tanks in an attempt to deflect their own little problems, and he figured he'd give the end-around play a chance to work for him!

53. DrewVL

Posts: 15; Member since: Jan 13, 2010

hOw LOW can he goes? that's every immature and lack of class of SJ

47. taaars

Posts: 13; Member since: Jun 27, 2010

Yes.. signal loss can occur on any handset if you grip it right over the antenna...(in fact the new vibrant does this in low reception areas, but guess what..it doesn't drop calls or data connection when it does!) .but it seems that to this point Steve and Apple don't get its not the bar indicator that has people concerned...its the fact when you actual ARC the two antennas with your hand and drop calls is the Major concern....if my phone read 0 bars all the time but never loss connection...I wouldn't really care.. All Steve had to do was say..Ok..we are aware that there MAY be some handsets experiencing some signal loss issues, and we are taking it on a case by case status, if you are one of the few that have this problem please contact us and we will resolve your situation as fast as possible...DONE!..no more drama...Steve saves face and makes everyone happy...gag...

44. messiah

Posts: 438; Member since: Feb 19, 2010

I smell a class action law suit. Samsung, rim, Nokia and all named by Jobs. His words were slander in an attempt to nor only damages relations of other SUCCESSFUL companies, but also to distract from Apple's very real issues at hand. Regardless if I am actually able to find another phone other than i4 that suffers dropped calls via a "death grip", which by all means is hard to do as I've never experienced such an event with any phone..... but the argument and straight forward fact is that however few or many i4 suffer death grips, through do.. i say this with all great conceivable conviction I can muster... "no other phone requires an add on exterior case in offset to function. " Cell phones work due to antennas. For data transmission such as text, browsing, or calling. If a phones antenna cannot perform this function, ultimately its useless. This is a basic fact.. a car that cannot drive is USELESS. Apply the same rules add requirement to the cell phone world. And as this post began, u smell a clad action suit from all other major designers mentioned in Steves debacle. All those companies have a shot at taking a lit away from Apple in Cory now. Steve may have very week just sank Apple beyond all fitting restitution.

46. ilia1986 unregistered

Well, thing is - you don't actually need a case for the iPhone 4 to function. You just need to avoid that X-spot which is very clearly visible on the phone itself. It's entirely possible to do so, seeing as this spot is probably thinner than several millimeters. Steve himself has said that he's been using his iPhone 4 without a case - and he even showed during the Q&A exactly how - in the same way that is called the "death grip". As for that class action suit - there already are several law suits vs Apple. It is yet to be seen what kind of results - if at all - they will produce.

42. Whateverman

Posts: 3295; Member since: May 17, 2009

Oh this is classic! I know some dogs that weren't this loyal. Steve told his sheep to suck it, and the sheep just fall in line. Dont defend this a$$hole! Now if your ip4 works perfectly than that's fine. But if yours doesn't work without a case, you dont want a case, and your keeping the ip4 anyway... then you are sheep. If you can't use your phone as a phone, tell Steve to suck it instead. Because you didn't buy all the phones he claims have the same issues. The fact is you bought the phone HE says is revolutionary, and has the best experience. If it doesn't work, take it back and get whatever else will work for you.

38. remixfa

Posts: 14605; Member since: Dec 19, 2008

Illia.... oi.. Any device will lose a little signal if you cover the antenna. That's NOT the issue with the iphone4. Noone grips their phone as tight as they possibly can tp make regular calls. The problem with the i4 is the design doesn't insulate the antenna properly and when u touch the left side it connects the antennas and basically short the signal.

37. daloneshark

Posts: 4; Member since: Jun 29, 2010

To Hell with Apple, I've owned blackberries in the past and I never had issues with dropping calls because of the way I was holding it. This comes to show you how LOW apple has gone to try to cover their asses. I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE IPHONE!!! I am happy with my Droid X and Verizon network..... Can you hear us now apple????

35. kellybl131

Posts: 42; Member since: Jan 19, 2009

If this issue is as wide spread as Jobs says it is, then why aren't other manufacters giving out bumpers and cases to fix their phones too? The problem is not wide spread on other phones, if it was we would have heard about the antena issues with other phones long before Apple needed to use them as a defense for their crappy design. Fail Jobs and Apple. Own up to your mistake, don't pass the buck.

33. scvzw2

Posts: 32; Member since: Jun 20, 2010

Issue is not losing bars with the grip its DROPPING the call! while these other phones may lose bars by being griped they DO NOT dropped the call!

34. Phonatic

Posts: 27; Member since: Jul 16, 2010

Thank you! Everyone is focusing on how many bars the phone shows (credit to Apple for coming up with a scapegoat) and bars are not the problem or the issue that needs to be addressed. My bars fluctuate depending on where I am but it has never caused me to drop a call. The iPhone drops calls. That is the problem. Dropped calls. Say it again now...dropped calls. People need to get off the bar issue. Job's isn't fooling anyone by trying to get everyone to focus on the bars. Now all that's left is for iPhone owners to take their glittering glass phones and wrap it in an industrial strength rubber band and call it a day. Enjoy!

31. krysis

Posts: 76; Member since: Dec 14, 2009

Tried it with my Eris, and... yeah, nothing happened. Not even a single bar dropped. Maybe I'm just in a good location, i don't know, even though it was only 3 bars.

27. jrcrow79

Posts: 477; Member since: May 02, 2008

I held my iphone 3gs in a death grip...and NO bars went up or down..lol..BUT 4.01 update makes my bars too wacky

21. nokia_fan_172

Posts: 11; Member since: Mar 09, 2010

i tried the so called death grip on my n82, and guess what, notin happened, every single bar remained, so jobs needs to admit his dumb mistake and stop puttin other, more experienced makers in his shit!!!!!

26. NOVAinc

Posts: 99; Member since: Jun 24, 2010

Or you first need to understand how this thing works before making such a statement insulting somebody else without valid facts? You can read some articles that have been floating around about how the reception works. Then, you would have to understand that signal strength will vary from zone to zone and that different carriers won't have the same reception in the same zone :) Finally, one thin you should have in mind is that you should not trust what everybody says in the Internet. There are many haters who will work their asses off to damage the image of a company rather than doing something constructive. As for me... I'm just a guy who studied several years advertising and mass media that thinks that he knows one or two things about this, and that doesn't like to see people messing with the head of other people. Those just were a couple of tips, go and have fun! It has been snowing here, I'll go out and make a snowman with my little cousin. I'll be back later to see if anyone disagreed and wanted to make a proper and respectful statement :) Success.

57. clevername

Posts: 1436; Member since: Jul 11, 2008

Not to mention antenna placement is different in each phone and the death grip area might be different in your model.

20. pathmarkpolice

Posts: 102; Member since: Feb 05, 2009

Tried out 4 different phones yesterday, 3 on Tmobile and 1 on ATT. Gripped like a bastard with my left hand, not a single bar dropped. Tried it on the 5230, Nokia e71, Bold 9700, and HTC Hero...none of them lost signal. Then I tried an iPhone 4 at the apple store when I was at the mall later in the day. Those bars dropped. Then I tried the one next to it....those bars dropped...then the next one...those bars dropped...and then, a 4th one. Guess what? It's bars dropped. I haven't come into contact with someone who has an iPhone 4 who's bars haven't dropped significantly when I grip it with my left hand.

18. Phonatic

Posts: 27; Member since: Jul 16, 2010

The issue with his little experiment is that he is STILL pretending that the issue is about the number of bars being displayed on the phone. Bar display is NOT the problem. The problem is when you hold the phone a certain way it fails to do it's job, which, regardless of apps and music, is to be able to make a damn phone call. My HTC Incredible frequently hovers between 1-3 bars but even at one bar it is still able to maintain it's primary function of making calls and not dropping them. if people weren't so distracted by glitter and beeps they'd see the difference. he's basically still saying the bar reading is the issue. And trying to throw other people under the bus Steve...weak. Apple only make ONE phone a year. if other companies can pump out a dozen or so phones a year and get it right, why can't Apple get this one phone right.

55. E.N.

Posts: 2610; Member since: Jan 25, 2009

The phone can make calls. With the death grip, your signal drops a lot. But you can still hold on to calls. I think that's the general misunderstanding. Death grip + iPhone 4 does not equal dropped call.

17. matt_android

Posts: 6; Member since: Jun 25, 2010

I was going to save up for a Macbook, but after this a**headed move I think I'll save myself $500 and get a Dell Inspiron 14. F U Steve Jobs. What the hell were you thinking bringing other innocent companies into this? Admit your mistake. Everybody makes them.

25. NOVAinc

Posts: 99; Member since: Jun 24, 2010

Innocents? What, did he kill anybody? Just chill out dude... How does "we are not perfect" sound to you? It sounds to me like admitting a mistake. And by the way, if you have a better way to explain why some things happen without showing them please post it here and help us all to grow and be better persons, rather than just insulting somebody to have done something that was necessary to explain something. It's cool :)

16. oldfash33

Posts: 7; Member since: Jun 15, 2010

Haha. Who cares. If you like it buy it if you don't don't. Reading the posts here it sounds like the iPhone is the worst phone in the world. I better go check out what 3million people were thinking.

15. Anon

Posts: 3; Member since: Jun 27, 2010

Lol Steve Jobs have not tested Iphone4 among with other phones. Do you know why?? Because he know that Iphone4 will dont show any bar even without death grip. Lol

13. hawk62

Posts: 320; Member since: Nov 21, 2009

Jobs is an A$$! I have a 3GS and the wife has the Eris. Guess who has issues with signal? ME! but since I dont use the phone to talk, it has not really been an issue. I hope the lawyers take a huge chunk out of Apple. Buy giving out the bumpers, that means there is a problem.

10. clevername

Posts: 1436; Member since: Jul 11, 2008

If you guys haven't watched video of the press conference then at least read the article. Steve jobs never mentioned Nokia. It was, as the article said, a bold 9700, DROID Eris, and Omnia II. illia is the one that mentioned nokia in the comments.

11. ilia1986 unregistered

Yes. I actually tested it, however, to see if Steve's theory is correct - that it happens on every phone out there. It sure did on mine.

28. NOVAinc

Posts: 99; Member since: Jun 24, 2010

It worked on my phone as well.

50. lovebuzz

Posts: 76; Member since: Oct 21, 2009

ilia I don't know where you came from but please go back your comments are crap.

9. Sniggly

Posts: 7305; Member since: Dec 05, 2009

Steve's argument is flawed, the "death grip" on these other phones is supposedly only replicated when they're squeezed hard. However, on the Iphone all you have to do is hold it with part of your hand over the antenna connector. You don't have to hold it tightly. This debacle makes me seriously question whether I'll buy any apple product ever.

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