Qualcomm blocked Samsung from selling Exynos processors

Qualcomm blocked Samsung from selling Exynos processors
Samsung has proven to manufacture very solid processors. Its Exynos chips have always been on par with the best, and they have produced consistent results that rival those of Qualcomm's Snapdragon. So, in case you were wondering why Samsung doesn't sell its chips to other smartphone manufacturers, safe for some Meizu models, you're not alone.

For a long time the most popular opinion was that Samsung was just trying to protect its chip-making technology, but a new report out of South Korea claims otherwise. According to said report, Qualcomm has blocked Samsung from selling its Exynos processors to other manufacturers.

The report claims that Qualcomm abused a “standard-essential patent” license in order to prevent Samsung from selling its processor to third-party manufacturers for about 25 years. The unfair practice came to light in the Fair Trade Commission's resolution on its case of Qualcomm's abuse of market power.

The resolution by the Fair Trade Commission sates that “Samsung Electronics has been blocked from selling its modem chipsets to other smartphone manufacturers due to a license deal it signed with Qualcomm.”

This new revelation is only a small piece of the puzzle. The Fair Trade Commission already fined Qualcomm $873 million after concluding that the chip-maker had used its market position unfairly in South Korea.

source: TheKoreaEconomicDaily via SamMobile



1. androiduser

Posts: 523; Member since: Jun 18, 2014

I hate Qualcomm for this

16. kumar1234 unregistered

I love Qualcomm for this. Keep up the good work, QC.

19. NoToFanboys

Posts: 3231; Member since: Oct 03, 2015

You're happy with qualcomm monopoly?

22. Clars123

Posts: 1079; Member since: Mar 16, 2015

it's a matter of being anti-Samsung..I swear everyone should know this by now

50. sam3k

Posts: 130; Member since: May 02, 2013

Hmmm samsung parts are in basically everything electronic device soo yeh!!

24. Well-Manicured-Man

Posts: 715; Member since: Jun 16, 2015

There is no Qualcom monopoly in smartphone business. Only for Android flagship devices Qualcom has a quasi monopoly. But in theory consumers could buy an iPhone with Apple's A chip family's an alternative. And Apple offers very good chipsets.

36. LanjaKodaka

Posts: 219; Member since: Sep 27, 2016

Your explanation was ****. Keep your apple crap with yourself. They sell you a honda civic with a lamborghini aventador's price.

39. audibot

Posts: 687; Member since: Jan 26, 2017

what the hell are you talking about qualcomm is in everything around the world using dirty tricks to stop others from knocking them off there high horse

46. Subie

Posts: 2430; Member since: Aug 01, 2015

So this article covers Samsung's SOCs, what's Mediatek's excuse?

25. tedkord

Posts: 17482; Member since: Jun 17, 2009

He's happy with anything that hurts Samsung. And shiny things. And lead paint chips. And dirty windows.

38. audibot

Posts: 687; Member since: Jan 26, 2017

of cause kumar is he is in india and qualcomm has factories there his whole family most likely works there

2. Tyrion_Lannister unregistered

So since they can't make decent processors, they will use their modem patents to eliminate someone who can. Perfect!

12. Plutonium239

Posts: 1249; Member since: Mar 17, 2015

The qualcomm graphics processor is always better than the exynos anyways.

15. Tyrion_Lannister unregistered

They are really close in performance most of the time, sometimes the exynos is ahead( galaxy S4 and S6), and sometimes adreno( S5 and S7). Anyway, GPU doesn't matter in current phones anyway since android games use 4 year old graphics and are optimized to run on $150 phones well. CPU on the other hand matters a lot since it dictates general fluidity of the interface as well as speed, along with playing a crucial role in battery life. And Exynos always had a faster CPU.

17. trojan_horse

Posts: 5868; Member since: May 06, 2016

That's why I make sure my daily-driver phone runs nothing but Exynos! Snapdragon isn't good enough.

42. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

Tyrion take a 150$ android phone and put world of tank blitz on it. Then go to setting and put every graphic option to max. Try to play and come back talking about those 4 year old graphics. We dont all play candy crush you know. Samsung S5 and S6 struggle like hell under 30 fps on thats game. Samsung S7 is smooth at 60 fps for 15 min then drop to 45 then after 30 min also drop under 30 fps. My G5 run smooth 60 fps for hours on thats game. So sorry but GPU is important.

26. TechieXP1969

Posts: 14967; Member since: Sep 25, 2013

But that isnt the only part of the chip. Also the comparison is dumb. Qualcomm Snapdraon's Adreno GPU is betetr because it pushes the enevlop and tries to mock desktop graphics. The downside it has worse battery drain vs the Exynos. The Exynos just makes ure you see what the dev intended, but doesn't add the "WOW" effects that go with it. The down side is the Mali is slower. But because of this, when both phone sare viewing or using the same content or apps, the Exynos will be less of a battery drain. Example, when playing a 1440p video, the Exynos played the video in a loop for 16 hours while the Snapdragon lasted less than 13. When I played Asphalt AirBorne on my Exynos verion of the Note with my kid vs the SD versions, everything on the screen looks 100% identical. The Sd simply pushes a betetr frame rate, but that doesn't matter to me. When we played the game for a solid hour, I had 20% more battery power left vs the SD model. The SnapDragon is better on tablets vs the Exynos, because of the higher resolution + the larger display. Example, on my Note 12.2, the SD800 was better than the Exynos even though both were pushing the 2560x1600 resolution. But the SD has far less lag with the larger screen. The Exynos is betetr at being efficient. The SD is aggressive and is a battery drain. Also phones with the SD get much hotter vs the Exynos, which is more battery drain too.

43. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

Techie on this generation S7 get MUCH MUCH hotter than my LG G5 playing game. My phone dont throttle like a bitch. If lower framerate is good for you then go for it. Me i want butter smooth graphic.

41. marorun

Posts: 5029; Member since: Mar 30, 2015

Thats report only talk about modem but PA manipulated it to show otherwise. *The resolution by the Fair Trade Commission sates that “Samsung Electronics has been blocked from selling its modem chipsets to other smartphone manufacturers due to a license deal it signed with Qualcomm.”* PA is now king in making controversial headline to create those flame war and you guys bit hard in it. Tyrion sustained performance the GPU in exynos is a joke its throttle like a bitch all the time in every exynos i saw in past years.. In quick benchmark they might look similar but its like comparing ati to nvidia video card lol.

3. AlikMalix unregistered

I'm confused is this for "modem" chips or CPU? "The resolution by the Fair Trade Commission sates that “Samsung Electronics has been blocked from selling its modem chipsets to other smartphone manufacturers due to a license deal it signed with Qualcomm.”"

4. Tyrion_Lannister unregistered

Qualcomm is mostly alive due to their excellent modem designs, which none other company can match. Intel tried, mediatek tried. Heck, even your desktop or laptop probably has a qualcomm modem for wifi and bluetooth. Their CPU designs are mediocre at best but they have a lot of patents for modem designs. Almost 80% of Qualcomm's profit comes from patent licensing, not the SoC business. If you don't use Qualcomm modem, or don't want to use their patented tech, it's very hard to make a high performance modem which consumes less power. Hence, almost everyone has to license deals with them, including Samsung for their exynos processors, which now have integrated modems. Qualcomm may have forced hand of Samsung here during the patent licensing as far as I know. We will know more about this soon.

6. Amir123a

Posts: 126; Member since: Aug 27, 2016

Are exynos and kirin processors use qualcomm modem?

9. Tyrion_Lannister unregistered

Not necessarily, though they certainly use some of the patented techonology to make their own modems. They don't reveal much of this info for obvious reasons, so I may be wrong here.

14. Trex95

Posts: 2383; Member since: Mar 03, 2013

I think yeah even Apple using Qualcomm modem for there iPhone's.

18. trojan_horse

Posts: 5868; Member since: May 06, 2016

That's obvious, bruh. ^

35. micEvolution

Posts: 4; Member since: Mar 27, 2015

Huawei uses their own modem called Balong I believe, which is totally independent from Qualcomm's patents since they're competitors in the telecom market. Afaik, Huawei is also ahead in terms of 5G since there are a good number of articles about Huawei completing 5G trials with different telcos, while it is the opposite for Qualcomm.

51. micEvolution

Posts: 4; Member since: Mar 27, 2015

AA talked a little about the modem used in the Kirin 960. It is good to see that that Huawei doesn't have to rely on Qualcomm in this aspect. It would be funny if Samsung decided to jump ship to Huawei on their baseband solution if Qualcomm keeps on abusing them. I can't post URLs yet, so here's the title to the article from AA "HiSilicon’s Kirin 960 is ready to take on Samsung and Qualcomm".

7. AlikMalix unregistered

So this is something that Samsung AGREED to initially when they wanted to use QUALCOMM modems within their SoC? Not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but doesn't seem like QUALCOMM is doing anything wrong here - it is just business. Either Samsung should use something else for modem or abide by the contract... or am I missing something?

8. Tyrion_Lannister unregistered

Legally, there is nothing wrong here. Qualcomm is obviously not stopping Samsung physically. However, this is kind of grey area since you are using unfair(though legal) practices to eliminate competition and excise monopoly over the market.

47. Mixkhata1

Posts: 162; Member since: Feb 26, 2017

Gray area, you say? I say it's completely black and white. Qualcomm is trying its damndest to eliminate all the rivals so that it can have the whole android market for itself. Screw legality of things. Since when did law backed the little guys in a big fight? I hate companies like these for their malevolent practices.

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