Larry Ellison says Apple without Steve Jobs is destined to fail

Larry Ellison says Apple without Steve Jobs is destined to fail
The point was made plenty of times throughout the time when Steve Jobs was in poor health, and when Tim Cook took over as CEO of Apple. But, given the company's relative success since Steve Jobs' death, the calls for doom within Apple have quieted until now. In an interview with CBS News set to air in the morning, Oracle CEO Larry Ellison is reiterating that he sees Apple failing without Steve Jobs.

The interview is with Charlie Rose for CBS This Morning. During the interview, Ellison makes it clear that we have already seen what happens to Apple when Steve Jobs is not running the company, referring to the dark times for the company when Jobs was forced out, saying "We conducted the experiment. It's been done."

Ellison didn't really give a quote that works well in print, but as you can see in the video below, and Ellison's hand gestures, he doesn't expect Apple to continue its strong earnings. Apparently, Ellison doesn't have much faith in Jony Ive and Tim Cook. 

source: CBS News via The Verge



1. nobelset

Posts: 270; Member since: Oct 17, 2012

True. So true. But apple should invent something new before their royal customers flock off...


Posts: 4851; Member since: Apr 13, 2012

Not true and let it remain stagnant, then Apple users will all migrate to Android™

10. Nathan_ingx

Posts: 4769; Member since: Mar 07, 2012

It's a healthy thing for all the OEMs to survive together. I may not like Apple as much as other OEMs but i wouldn't want them to die... I want them to go back and learn things, like doing innovative things, that will help them rise. Competition has brought us to this must accept that.


Posts: 4851; Member since: Apr 13, 2012

But I want them, the fruit to be joining BB very soon. ™

20. darkkjedii

Posts: 31283; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

Talking to Troll is like talking to Helen Keller. +1 for your comment Nathan. Mature, and intelligent.

32. softfurryanus

Posts: 232; Member since: Jul 09, 2013

I'll never understand why people pay attention to you when your name is "TROLL"

2. InspectorGadget80 unregistered

At least someone out there says Apple is fallen. and besides Apple was fallen before. All i see is law suits and same product designs which makes Applea bad company and it stocks fallen..

3. ZeroCide

Posts: 816; Member since: Jan 09, 2013

Apple was falling when steve was still around.


Posts: 4851; Member since: Apr 13, 2012

It's time the fruit falls from the tree and heads down south to root ™

4. Googler

Posts: 813; Member since: Jun 10, 2013

Gives too much credit to Jobs, IMO. Jobs was a great marketing genius and showman, but not in the same caliber as Edison and Picasso. Steve surrounded himself with talented people and got a lot of credit for their hard work, showmen often do that. He helped deliver a hit so how people will remember him will always be biased from that.

16. E.N.

Posts: 2610; Member since: Jan 25, 2009

Agreed! If Steve Jobs was CEO, I wonder if we'd even have 4 inch screens, the UI changes of iOS 7, etc. probably not

25. Googler

Posts: 813; Member since: Jun 10, 2013

4" screens, maybe. iPad Mini, probably not. iOS 7, likely not, Jobs was too much into skeumorphism for that to ever happen. They still need something new though.

30. Droid_X_Doug

Posts: 5993; Member since: Dec 22, 2010

Definitely not.

47. DoctorWho

Posts: 6; Member since: Aug 15, 2008

I agree that he was a great marketing genius and a showman, but that's not the entirely of it. Steve was great at taking RISKS and then marketing the hell out of them. Virtually all of their big "innovations" were risks at the time they were launched. Some worked well, some didn't. His vision and loyalty among his consumers were paramount. Apple is lacking that now, and I'm not sure they'll ever recover from the loss of Jobs. He is missed in the industry.

48. Googler

Posts: 813; Member since: Jun 10, 2013

I don't remember the exact quote but during an interview he was asked what the next big thing was. His response was he didn't know, but he'd know it if he saw it. He had that ability to see a diamond in the rough and know how to polish it. And yeah, Tim doesn't have that.

5. Napalm_3nema

Posts: 2236; Member since: Jun 14, 2013

I see lots of hate, but I have to ask: If Apple is "failing," and they are such an eyesore on the tech landscape, why do they keep making money and who has defined a tech category since the iPod debuted? Samsung? Lots of money, but nothing class defining. HTC? No, just no. Nokia and Motorola? Thanks for kicking off the cellphone game, but what have you done lately, besides push camera tech on Nokia's part? Microsoft? Always a day late, and billions short. Google? The jury is out on Glass, but thanks for buying Android and making the bane of 90s computing (ads) ubiquitous. Have I left anyone out? If so, I think we know the answer to "what have they done?".

13. Googler

Posts: 813; Member since: Jun 10, 2013

So your point is only valid for this point in time. To completely take credit away from Nokia because of the condition they are currently in is really a biased point of view towards what they've done for the tech community. I guess we'll forget BB too, after all, enterprise security isn't important and certainly not popular so we'll just forget that ever happened. We're only talking about this year, so I probably shouldn't have even brought those up because who needs history, right? Once upon a time Nokia and BB didn't think they'd ever be on the brink of being sold. Hopefully that doesn't happen for either of them. Can the same happen to Apple? Anything is possible and never forget, it was an MP3 player that saved Apple. Without the iPod, there'd likely be no iPhone or iPad. Nothing is permanent and any company can fall.

24. Napalm_3nema

Posts: 2236; Member since: Jun 14, 2013

I credited Nokia. Without them and Moto, we have nothing. However, they haven't done anything lately, except advance camera tech and use the same old iPod Nano design on their phones.

31. Droid_X_Doug

Posts: 5993; Member since: Dec 22, 2010

Larry likes being in the news. Kinda like ole Don Trump. They are both taken with promoting themselves.

6. AfterShock

Posts: 4147; Member since: Nov 02, 2012

Suddenly, Apple was brown betty.

9. scsa852k

Posts: 331; Member since: Oct 16, 2012

I don't think Apple will 'fail'. The loyal Apple users are pretty stubborn for change. They won't dominate smartphone market ever again, but I think they'll linger on as a distant second.

11. bugsbunny00

Posts: 2265; Member since: Jun 07, 2013

this is TOTALLY true....

14. 1113douglas

Posts: 200; Member since: Jul 04, 2013

i agree. apple is in danger unless they invent something new and popular before anyone else.

46. InspectorGadget80 unregistered

all Apple do now and days is patent, set their patent aside till someone makes something they think they invented like NFC, THEN SUE them for millions and/OR BAN THE PRODUCT from their competition

15. shamataa

Posts: 257; Member since: Dec 07, 2011

Oh we all know know it. Apple is just to dumb to realize that. Listen to the man.

17. CX3NT3_713

Posts: 2359; Member since: Apr 18, 2011

True..... apple is sinking...

18. darkkjedii

Posts: 31283; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

Apples falling up. Their best is yet to come.

23. Googler

Posts: 813; Member since: Jun 10, 2013

Not sure. Apple's biggest problem is self generated. For the release of each new item, it's understandable to make the scene a media spectacle. For the second, third, etc... iteration, they've made the same spectacle with how products are revealed. Over time the expectations are overwhelming, something even they can't live up to. Is a watch going to generate as much excitement as the iPhone and iPad did when they were rolled out? I don't think so. Plastic iPhone? Doubt it. Apple needs to do what they've always done best, find something most people will need/want but not many know about, refine it and get it out the door before the competition. The iPhone and iPad were examples of that but other than a plastic phone and delayed watch, there's been nothing. While nothing was great when Jobs was in charge, since Cook has taken the CEO position, most everything is known ahead of time so 'nothing' isn't reassuring. Expectations for Apple's next big thing are probably at their highest, from the consumers all the way to the share holders. They have a monumental task ahead of them, Tim better have something exceptional or many will label them "same old same old."

26. networkdood

Posts: 6330; Member since: Mar 31, 2010

Sorry, DJ, but no, and the only reason that they can keep creating the next I product with minimal changes is because of their loyal and brainwashed following. Apple is nothing special to the rest of the world and only doing well in the states.

19. suneeboy

Posts: 201; Member since: Oct 02, 2012

The sky isn't falling, but Apple needs a "new" product. The iPod, the iPhone, the iPad, the Mac Book Air were all revolutionary devices. They help describe the thing we are in. Apple needs another big hit. A larger screen on an iPhone or an iWatch won't do it. They need a trend setting device.

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