iPhone 5 coming without LTE support?
The upcoming iPad 2 event on March 2nd might spill the beans about the white iPhone, but what most people are looking forward to now is the next iPhone. The launch of the iPhone 5 is expected in the summer months, but details emerged that it will skip on the LTE radios. The information is courtesy of Telecom Pragmatics analyst Samuel Greenholtz who cited a source close to the matter, but the summer months are still way ahead and things could change, so take this with a grain of salt.
"The next iPhone -- the iPhone 6 -- is an LTE version under development now with production aimed for a June/July launch next year," added Greenholtz. Nevertheless, the handset is expected to technically support AT&T's self-proclaimed as 4G HSPA+ network. The iPhone 5 was also rumored to be a world phone functioning on European markets as well as on U.S. carriers like AT&T and Verizon.
If Apple go without LTE on the next-gen iPhone, then the phone's main selling points will be the rumored 4-inch screen, dual-core processor and Sony's latest camera sensor. Not bad at all if it all comes true, but could it be that Android has upped the smartphone game with upcoming LTE handsets so much that Apple is now playing catch up?
source: The Street
65. ayephoner (Posts: 836; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
you're an idiot.
with rumors pointing to condensed battery cells and cloud memory services, apple is highly motivated to make slimmer, less expensive devices. adding 4g would nullify this.
2. Allday28 (Posts: 274; Member since: 19 Nov 2010)
I dont think phone manufacturers should be to worried about 4G until next year when its more available.
14. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)
Couldn't agree more. AT&T is currently selling 4G phones when their 4G network hasn't even launched. Verizon has LTE up for modems, but not phones. Everyone wants to rush into 4G without having the network or equipment to back it. So why put in an LTE radio when it won't be widely available for most people in the US? Those phones are going to cost more for no reason.
I'm looking forward to 4G for higher quality music and video streaming...but other than that, I'd rather not pay an extra $100 for a service that may or may not be where my phone is...
16. DJLegacy2k5 (Posts: 205; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
How about so when the companies LAUNCH 4g the customer will already be ready and not have to buy 3 new versions of a shit ass phone every year? How about preparing the customer for new tech since they KNOW its coming instead of making the customers wait another model and asking them to blow another $199 or more on 2 more versions. Apple needs to work on their Antennas, durability and boring ass OS before 4G neways so you are semi-correct.
23. msa1988 (Posts: 417; Member since: 30 Mar 2010)
Agreed. They come out with a new version every 6 months. Why don't they just come out with a new version every 18 months or so and make the differences between the 2 phones actually worthwile...
28. ayephoner (Posts: 836; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
theyve come out with one iphone per year, which they will continue to do.
if you consider that you can normally sell an iphone for as much, if not more than what you bought it for a year after launch, cost is not an issue.
40. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)
Has Sprint and WiMAX taught us anything?
It kills me that we are all tech nerds and yet we all buy into this whole crap of 4G right off the gate. Folks fall for marketing terms like Jesus is coming back tomorrow, when you know it's BS.
Sure, let me go and buy into 4G even though it isn't here just yet. At least I'll be prepared. I'm sure folks felt like that when Sprint announced and launched WiMAX and now they are talking about switching to LTE... What happens to all those EVO owners? They call early adapters stupid, but I think it's stupid for manufacturers to be early adapters as well...
Who's to say AT&T will actually go to LTE? What if they like HSPA+ so much that they decide to take the T-Mobile route and just increase the upload and download speed? I mean, that's what we are all here for...not the G's, speed. So Apple releases an iPhone with LTE, HSPA+ blah blah blah...but it none of these are widely supported. Companies have committed to them, but we don't have nationwide coverage of it at all.
I would rather Apple put money into features of the phone itself than what network the phone can hook up to...just in case something goes wrong or carriers decide to change their minds...which they do all the time. Let these 4G networks expand before you start planning for a future that isn't written in stone just yet.
41. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)
Oh...and let's not forget it isn't just carriers. Remember when the governing body over all the G's in the world said that in order to be considered 4G, you have to have a download speed of 100mbps? They changed their minds on that one too...which is the only reason LTE, WiMAX, and HSPA+ can be considered 4G in the first place.
Right now, I'd rather play it safe with a phone because these companies will do anything to get you give them money...period. Even Apple. The only difference is, Apple's limited release of products (not every few months with multiple handsets) means they CANNOT fuck it up...because for the next year, Apple will have to live with that fuck up. iPhone 4...yes...but that problem was small compared to some handsets that are out today... If Samsung fucks it up, they'll have a better phone out within 3 to 6 months.
Play it safe...Apple has to live with a phone for a year. You, however, have two years until your upgrade rolls around and if you want to risk it on 4G that really isn't that fast in the first place...be my guest...
42. DJLegacy2k5 (Posts: 205; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Not being able to make a call or hold signal is a "SMALL" issue for a cell phone? Apple even fucked up the iPhone, which is THEIR OWN os! Their hardware is the horrible, I litterally get 4 to 5 broke iPhones into my store PER DAY! Their opperating system is SO basic, how can they fuck it up? Oh wait, their previous updates HAVE screwed up older versions! You people just like being able to say you own an iPhone because that is what marketing and shallowness teach you to do. The iPhone is garbage and the people that use them are nothing more than Trendy f***s. Bottom Line...
43. DJLegacy2k5 (Posts: 205; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
So instead of working on nice features for the next phone, APPLE is just at work figuring how to market something worthless like "face time" so all the idiots eat it up. *smh* Pathetic...
94. MrMiddl (unregistered)
totally agree. i loved the first Iphone, because there was nothing else like it, but now there is soo much better to choose from. why go through the headache of crappy software (IOS4, Itunes), and hardware (Bad design on IP4)
48. phone333 (Posts: 331; Member since: 04 Feb 2009)
4G/Wimax aside. The EVO is still Sprint's best Android phone. Not to mention that you're not paying anything more for a 4G device compared to any other Sprint smartphone.
50. DJLegacy2k5 (Posts: 205; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Actually up until the new price INCREASE you were paying $10 extra a month for 4G whether you get 4G in your area or not. I would know Me and my GF have EPICs and my DAD has the EVO. But I also get a big discount for being a manager for them for years. I did however just get the Moto Atrix which makes the iPhone look even worse than it already does...to anyone with common sense and taste that is.
AT&T is selling the HTC INSPIRE 4g (aka EVO) for only $99 right now though, so that DEAL is INSANE!
56. EraserXIV (Posts: 37; Member since: 16 Jul 2009)
The difference is that Verizon will have a much larger coverage with LTE than Sprint has or will ever have with WiMax. Verizon already has 30 big city markets live and will continue to expand at a rapid pace through the end of this year. LTE is here to stay, most companies have committed to it and there's no way in hell they will just change their minds overnight. Companies have put a lot of research and money into the preliminary stages of LTE that it's not feasible for them to change course. Having to wait until June/July 2012 for LTE is going to be torture knowing that a lot of the country will be covered by the end of this year, and there will be tons of LTE phones at that time too.
90. edb (unregistered)
Can I get a witness?
Really, now... I live in Alabama. Yes, Alabama. Your mind has already conjured up images of inbred, toothless hicks and banjo music.
And I will have LTE coverage THIS SUMMER.
Sprint can claim to have 4G all they want. All I know is, they don't have it here, and they won't for a long time, if ever. Verizon will in a few months. I will miss my OG Droid when I upgrade, but I will be loving 5-12MBps downloads on whatever device I end up with. (Thunderbolt? Nah, not an HTC fan. Bionic? Possibly. I'd really like them to come out with a qwerty slider like the Droid/Droid2 before it's time to decide...)
62. joe678 (unregistered)
what did you think wimax was gonna teach you..you MUST be in a 4G area for it to function..and sprints 4g speeds r the worst to date..congrats!
71. DV (unregistered)
With consideration to WiMax, I would have to say you are accurate. Anyone who was so poorly advised to poor their money into a dying company loosing money hand over fist made a huge mistake in signing any agreement with Sprint. Sprint ran with the cheapest form of a newer data infastructure because they wanted the ability to market something to drive business. Q3 of last year they had their best month as a company in nearly 4 years, they added approx. 650,000 net subscribers. Compared to Verizon Wireless, they have not had that bad of a quarter in their history as a company. While adding that many subscribers Sprint still managed to report a 910 million dollar loss for Q3. To put it nice they are in what you would call a cash flow crisis and will do anything they can to generate any revenue. I sugest doing your homework understand which companies are solvent and have liquid capital and will make the appropriate investment into the long term quality network infastructures you can count on. All the while having the capital to roll out the coverage faster than the snail pase of Sprint and their Wimax. The frequency is too high 1200mghz which is terreible for building penetration and upload speeds are competative with 3G not to mention the latency is horrible. With that said a network with as low of frequency as 700mghz providing strong signal distribution with a provitable company to roll out the infastructure I personal feel safe giving my money to a company that has built their business on network and will always deliver when it comes to network technology that is Verizon and their LTE network. My money every month is for the service and network reliability and I have yet to see another network perform as well as Verizon's consistantly accross the nation. I highly advise taking a look at the companies financials and their performance when t comes to the service you are paying for. you will be able to count on getting what you pay for.
75. p0rkguy (Posts: 683; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)
If you actually fixed your grammar and did your homework, you would know majority of that loss is due to iden which has been confirmed to be a dying network for the past 7 years.
If you're in a building and complaining about the wimax signal, I feel bad for you cause that's not the real problem. The real problem is why you aren't on wifi.
76. Goldeneye (Posts: 353; Member since: 22 Jan 2011)
I'd rather to be ready now and for the NEXT 2 YEARS, which a new contract runs for, than have to locked myself for 2 years with "cool" features that you just mentioned, again 2 years is an eternity in the tech world, and mark my words it'll take less than 2 years that 4G will be widespread.
93. MrMiddl (unregistered)
i'm pretty sure you believe your points are valid, and they might be. but its all about money to any of these carriers. why make a phone with LTE this year when true its not widely available, but you can sell a phone next year and force upgrades and mass hysteria for a phone with it. its just like when they released IOS4 and iphone 3g (not 3GS) couldnt handle it. most average people had to renew contracts and get iphone 4 because their 3g phones would crash or lockup.Now i know the 3g is ancient by tech standards, but average people dont know how to decline updates or jailbreak and so on. so they bought new phones because they didnt know better. thats why apple hates the hackers, because we do.
52. Jp (unregistered)
Sent back the Iphone 4 on Verizon. This thing was defiantly dated. If you have had a newer Android phone you are not going to want this thing. Maybe when the iphone 5 or 6 comes out.
4. Tre-Nitty (Posts: 460; Member since: 16 Nov 2010)
It kills me when Android loyalists get on iPhone threads and talk crap. I have a iPhone 4 and inspire 4g and they both are great devices. Apple is smart not to include LTE because its not really launched. I will be getting the new iPhone, not because its cool to but because its gonna be a great device. I been said Apple wouldn't add LTE. I know 1 thing though, the new iPhone will outsell any device head on by alot.
9. cnance (Posts: 8; Member since: 16 Dec 2010)
who is talking crap about apple. I think you are looking for a fight.lol
10. msa1988 (Posts: 417; Member since: 30 Mar 2010)
I agree with cnance. and why do you have 2 phones?
13. Tre-Nitty (Posts: 460; Member since: 16 Nov 2010)
You can read the comments and see the sideways apple comments but anyway no biggie. I have 2 phones because I like ios and Android and because $399 for the inspire is a great deal. I bought the iPhone 4 from Craigslist for $375 with a cracked screen which Apple fixed for free.
15. msa1988 (Posts: 417; Member since: 30 Mar 2010)
I don't think spending almost $800 on 2 phones i exactly a "goo deal".
17. Tre-Nitty (Posts: 460; Member since: 16 Nov 2010)
I don't like contract renewals so I prefer to buy outright. Sometimes I wanna use my iPhone and then others I want to use the inspire. Also I could easily sell this iPhone 4 for $450 and that's a fact.
18. UknowI'mRight (unregistered)
you see he said i COULD sell(and get rid of) the iphone 4 and get $450 easy, he didnt suggest that he would sell the android phone hint hint lol. so which is really overall better ???
19. Hallucinator (Posts: 342; Member since: 24 May 2010)
Since we are apparently now reading into what people mean. Perhaps he meant, why bother getting rid of his android phone only to get another carbon copy of his android phone back. I mean they are all practically the same phone anyway right? Not how I feel, just what I think he meant. ;)
21. Tre-Nitty (Posts: 460; Member since: 16 Nov 2010)
This is definitely more along the lines of what I meant! People will give you $300+ for an iphone 3GS right now. Bottom line is the iphone is an item that has a awesome resell value as opposed to other devices. That's not a personal knock on Android but if I put the iphone and inspire up for sale, it wouldn't be close as to which 1 would sell faster and for more $.
77. Goldeneye (Posts: 353; Member since: 22 Jan 2011)
those 3GS better be brand new and never used then I'd believe it but used? no way! my cousin bought his for $200 2 months ago in a very good condition, you're high!
22. msa1988 (Posts: 417; Member since: 30 Mar 2010)
Or you could just be normal and save money and stick to one phone ;)
34. Tre-Nitty (Posts: 460; Member since: 16 Nov 2010)
You must have been looking at an iPhone 3g. A 3gs will cost you about $300. Also how many people do you think carry more than 1 phone. Maybe you've been living under a rock. Heck most businesses require you to carry a company appointed phone just so they know they have 24 hour access to you.
39. puzzle2323 (Posts: 5; Member since: 24 Feb 2011)
$300 your nuts and whoever else who buying 3gs for $300.
45. LionStone (Posts: 447; Member since: 10 Dec 2010)
yea really when you can get a refurb 8g 3gs for 20 bucks online w/ at&t !!
49. phone333 (Posts: 331; Member since: 04 Feb 2009)
Mmm let me see: Paying $400 for a contract free phone VS $200 with contract that can be cancelled for $200 or less. I think I'd take my chances with the contract.
5. protozeloz (Posts: 5373; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
Well I had little doubt that LTE will not amiable for the i5
6. puzzle2323 (Posts: 5; Member since: 24 Feb 2011)
i love the iphone and all of apple products, but for some reason i feel that the iphone is way over rated. i mean it seem like apple really only care about there business more then their loyal customers. without us there wont be no apple product. and to comment off to this article i think its a good idea that apple is holding off on LTE for the iphone 5.
24. giantgnome (Posts: 67; Member since: 11 Feb 2011)
It's just their typical business model. Innovate, bringing in lots of loyal fans. Stagnate while raping them with prices. Then innovate when they lose the smarter fans. Then stagnate when they come back and rape them some more.
7. vzw_customer (Posts: 10; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
if the iphone 5 come out as it said in the article(4" screen,dual processor and 8 mp camera) its going to be a great phone without LTE (4G).
8. DOGIEFRESH (Posts: 302; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)
Obviously since LTE will be fully funtional ( voice and data ) next year, rigth now there's not any chipset that support voice calls over the LTE so it doesn't make sense to put only data and later produce another version is waste of money....!!!
11. Rich (unregistered)
ehhh only reason this wont wont be LTE is so they can get yet ANOTHER phone out there for all the Apple Minions to buy. IMO apple has been playing catch-up for a while now.
67. CRICKETownz (Posts: 980; Member since: 24 Oct 2009)
the conspiracy theories that lurk in these posts are hilarious. so Apple is making a non-LTE compatible phone this year for the sole reason of profiting off of customers who WILLINGLY purchase? you act like consumers' bank accounts are automatically being debited by Apple and they are forced into having an iPhone. they don't have to buy the phone a d if you are that weak that you can't wait for an LTE version that's on you...not the company. how did you get 5 thumbs up for that comment? that is the most assanine statement i've seen in my life. and whats worse is there are 5 other idiots that reason just like you. this world is in trouble...jackwagons
12. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
LTE is not widely available. It's not a loss if the iphone5 would not have it. This reminds me HDTV's on sale 3 yrs ago when there was only 3 or 5 real HD channels available, lol.
20. Hallucinator (Posts: 342; Member since: 24 May 2010)
Great comparison. I absolutely agree with you. I'm pretty sure the people giving you a thumbs down are just blind android fans who can not stand anything positive about apple. And they call apple fans sheep. Same people who were positive that the galaxy tab was going to be a ipad killer. You are lucky it didn't kill Android. That thing blew.
31. p0rkguy (Posts: 683; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)
The reason he's getting thumbed down is not solely because of android fans but the example he gave. Just because there were only a limited amount of HD channels to watch means trying to sell an HDTV is stupid? It's the fact that we can is what makes progression. It's also one of the reasons why when buying tech products, it's best to buy the best. It's insurance for the future.
In the tech world, being advanced is better regardless of whether or not the support is there. That's what technology is.
Sure people can agree with Apple trying to cut its loss with not implementing such technology but for Apple to not do so would mean they weren't prepared/supporting it.
25. msa1988 (Posts: 417; Member since: 30 Mar 2010)
I somewhat agree, but for business owners in major cities, 4g will always be available. Wouldn't it be a smart business move to come out with 4G first and guarantee it in the main cities (exactly like what verizon is doing now)? 4G is only going to expand, so it's not like you are at a loss by buying a 4g phone. So you have to use 3G in the rural areas, big deal.
For your TV analogy, lets say HD is available but only for 5 channels, but you happen to only watch those 5 channels. Isn't it worth it to get the HD TV? New HD channels are coming out soon anyway, then you will already have your gear.
Come on people wake up!
26. Kjayhawk (Posts: 287; Member since: 07 Oct 2010)
the iPhone nano or mini will be released first iPhone mini or nano. And then the iPhone 5 I think that makes a bit more sense
27. Shark (unregistered)
Well, I dont buy it (no LTE). While LTE is not quite mainstream yet, I cannot see Apple waiting for it to be widely available before releasing an Iphone. This is a company that patterns itself on the cutting edge and sets the standard, rather than being reactionary to it.
Now, I can see the IP5 being an LTE device with just the standard capabilities and the IP6 being the "ooooh weee" LTE device that fully supports such techonologies as VOLTE and stuff we're not even discussing yet. But, the IP5 to just have a new design, but the same tech and being a 3G phone when the world is moving away from that standard? Yeah, right.
Apple might as well release a DVD player.
29. DJLegacy2k5 (Posts: 205; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
As long as Americans stay lazy, stupid, and worried about how "cool" they look, Apple will always have retards that pay top dollar for under performing devices. They will continue to string people along through about another 4 devices before you get HALF of what you mentioned.
37. Tre-Nitty (Posts: 460; Member since: 16 Nov 2010)
So since Apple makes awesome products such as the iMac and we Americans, assuming your not American, buy the product makes us and I quote "lazy, stupid, and worried about how cool we look". Grow up! The iphone is a awesome device with awesome capabilities. Before the motorola Droid came out, what phone changed how people looked at phones? I'm thinking it was the iphone. Now all of a sudden phones are coming out with dual core processors and what not in your opinion Apple is stringing people along. I'll give you another example, the ipad. Why is it that every company now has a tablet? Apple has a following and there is nothing your being pissed off can do about it.
53. DJLegacy2k5 (Posts: 205; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Dude, Im AMERICAN, I just HATE stupid people that buy SHINEY instead of SUBSTANCE!
I have been selling phones for TEN years, I have been a manager and district manager for multiple carriers and I STILL sell for AT&T!
I like how people pretend that just because Apple brought out the iPhone with a touchscreen first, that NO OTHER companies were already working on the tech also. Apple f*cks you with no insurance, no removable battery, easily broken screens, no live tiles, no active widgets, Antenna issues, update issues, over priced tech support and all this equals GOOD?! Superior?! How?
It doesnt, its like arguing with someone that the sky isnt blue! You all will defend that junk ass phone till death and no one will ever be able to understand the reason why.
If you want to say "I like it, thats why I own it" that is fine but dont argue that that feature lacking BS phone is "the best out there", because that is just a stupid statement.
60. p0rkguy (Posts: 683; Member since: 23 Nov 2010)
Let me finish that last statement for you.
The iPhone is the best out there to the mass that don't know technology.
Anybody arguing that something is the best when it comes to technology is just stupid and stuck in some era where they can't see the future.
Also, to everybody arguing about how the iPhone is the leader and everyone is following, you're a dumb ass. The phone is the leader, and the iPhone is just following.
95. MrMiddl (unregistered)
great statement p0rkguy. only non techies think its great. real techies are looking at the hardware, quad and linpack scores, veiwing angles, and such. not " i like it cus its purrrrty".
Before you people talk, find out whats inside and how does it compare to other phones hardware.
IOS = buggy,locked down, itunes (yuck)
Android = buggy
WM7 = updates?support? blah tiles
So OS is just personal preference, but the hardware never lies, and seperates the best from the rest.
what dual core and gpu are being used,display type, housing materials.