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T-Mobile, MetroPCS and why it may work

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T-Mobile, MetroPCS and why it may work
It was the first question asked after the merger announcement, how will the new company manage completely incompatible networks? The question is supremely relevant. Look at what happened after Sprint acquired Nextel, systems never merged as envisioned and the mountain of debt incurred on the deal left Sprint spinning through years of continuous subscriber losses, still paying down the note leveraged for the merger and is resulting in the carrier to shut down the Nextel network completely and convert it for other uses. That does not even begin to address decisions the company made adopting WiMAX and investing their licenses with Clearwire.

The merger of T-Mobile USA and MetroPCS will certainly pursue a different game plan. T-Mobile’s CTO, Neville Ray says that the key to the success of both these companies is their path pursuing LTE. The next step will be that T-Mobile will migrate MetroPCS customers to equipment that use T-Mobile’s network.

From day one, T-Mobile expects to start selling phones that have the MetroPCS brand, but use T-Mobile’s network. After migrating existing subscribers off of MetroPCS’s CDMA network, it will be shut down and the spectrum will be used to deploy LTE service.  The process may take a couple years to complete.

“The technology pieces are fairly straightforward here, I don’t see any big technology barriers we need to knock down.”
  – Neville Ray, CTO, T-Mobile USA


That is a plain, no nonsense way of looking at it, and T-Mobile USA would certainly benefit from the extra spectrum while also obtaining existing LTE services that MetroPCS already has. Bear in mind, Mr. Ray also thought that the iPhone 5 would support T-Mobile USA’s AWS spectrum.  However, that assumption was made based on the idea of the type of baseband chip being used in the new iPhone.

In terms of the overall plan to make the merger work between T-Mobile USA and MetroPCS, it is clearly feasible and the goals attainable. The company also has the lessons learned by Sprint as well. When a company takes over, it needs to “take over.” With a plan like the one Ray mentioned, the merger is about logistics, not technology. Couple that completed plan with the carrier’s well liked customer service, and it is sure to be a contender.

source: All Things D

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posted on 07 Oct 2012, 02:07 4

1. Lboogey6 (Posts: 245; Member since: 31 Jan 2012)


very smart

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 05:55 2

2. depeche (Posts: 60; Member since: 04 Feb 2011)


This makes sense...
T-Mobile may get a leg in the LTE realm while making itself a bit larger, hopefully more profitable.
Down the road it may be the third largest phone carrier, however, Sprint seems to have a very active LTE deployment which will be central in any customers expectations.

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 09:41 4

3. Bernoulli (Posts: 1402; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)


The thing is that sprints LTE is a joke, they pull around 6 to 10 mbps, in average I'm pulling 14 to 22 with T-Mobile, yeah I think that beats and destroys what should be expected, none the less T-Mobile is far cheaper than sprint, and ironically we have more and better coverage than sprint does.

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 15:37

6. Schmao (Posts: 302; Member since: 05 Jul 2009)


Yet, they have fewer customers. hmmmmmm

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 18:53 2

7. Bernoulli (Posts: 1402; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)


We live in a society that's driven by the phones a certain carrier has, ie the explosion of customers for AT&T back when the iPhone was AT&T exclusive, thus causing a spectrum crunch, if people were able to buy their phone first then chose a carrier T-Mobile will have the upper hand with customers, that's why they're so big throughout Europe, but for some reason an American prefers to pay a subsidy for a "cool phone" for a two year contract that will average the 108$ for a single line (that's with sprint, AT&T and Verizon with their shared plan made it a little difficult, but you can certainly expect more). Now,a smart American would just get the phone they Want and get a T-Mobile value plan (unlimited everything 59.99, comes to 67 here in Texas) and within a year, that smart American will have saved enough to get a new phone, you should look into that, or if talking isn't your cup of tea, which for most of us isn't, there's a 30$ plan that gets you unlimited texting, unlimited Web with hotspot and 100 minutes, I'd love to have this 30$ but because I run a business I have to have unlimited minutes.

posted on 09 Oct 2012, 11:38 1

13. MAS10X (Posts: 38; Member since: 26 Jul 2011)


T-Mobile in Texas FTW!!! I've had every single carrier and I couldn't be any happier with T-Mobile. By the way, I do exactly what you say. Avoid the subsidy, save on my monthly plan and every now and then get me a new phone, and I still spend less than my friend who is on AT&T

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:24

16. Bernoulli (Posts: 1402; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)


My point exactly man!! Lol you are a smart American lol :)

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 12:48

4. lsutigers (Posts: 670; Member since: 08 Mar 2009)


14 to 22 mbps on T-Mobile's HSPA??? I know the network is theoretically capable ot 42.2 mbps but I have never seen that in real world use. The people I know with TMO, usually get 3-5mbps on HSPA. LTE is theoretically capable of 100 mbps, do you ever see that? Not saying it's not possible but highly unlikely.

Also, you are comparing a very mature 3.5G network to a brand new LTE network from Sprint, they are just now beginning to deploy. In some areas I have tested I saw LTE speeds of 25-30mbps in Atlanta. You are comparing Sprint's average to TMO's non existent high end.

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 15:06 2

5. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


Your assumptions are off

The network being capable and the device being capable are 2 different things. There are a range of "4g" phones on Tmobile (14.4mb/s, 21mb/s, 42mb/s. ) You also have to be in an HSPA+ market, not just HSPA or HSDPA. Here in jacksonville, grab an SGS3 and run the test. I've seen spikes in the 30s with sustained speeds anywhere from 8-25mb/s. National speed tests put Tmobile at just a hair under VZW's LTE and at nearly half the cost.

LTE-Advance is capable of 100mb/s. NO ONE has LTE-A Yet. The fastest available is on VZW and ATT which get speeds up to the 40s. But just like HSPA+, sustained speeds are 7-mid 20s for most people.
Metro uses a joke of LTE that never goes over like 7. It sucks. You get what you pay for.
Tmobile's implementation of LTE is going to be LTE-10 which is a faster radio than what VZW/ATT uses. It's also just a software upgrade to LTE-A's 100mb/s.

in 2013, Tmobile will have the fastest LTE with the fastest HSPA+ back up radios, and still for nearly half the price of VZW/ATT.

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 19:09

9. Bernoulli (Posts: 1402; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)


Totally agree, and what will make T-Mobile a great contender is it's back haul, since the current charts well indicate we have much more spectrum than sprint and the current refarming is migrating the pcs 1900 band to hspa+, so our 2g becomes 3g and our already superfast 3g becomes the fastest network in the western hemisphere, and something else is that T-Mobile's release 10 equipment is new, compared to release 8 that both AT&T and Verizon have, sprint could run LTE advanced, but they stated they prefer to have consistency on their network, not peak speeds, thankfully we will have both, consistency and speed at high peaks, and lucky those of you who have metro pcs in your area, since eventually you guys will have an extra 10 mhz channel to fall back on at peaks, so you go from super fast to Verizon fast lol

posted on 08 Oct 2012, 19:21 1

12. mdolphins9998 (Posts: 5; Member since: 19 Sep 2012)


Thank you....somebody who knows what the HELL they are talking about!!!!!!!!! #HELL YEAAAA

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 19:01

8. Bernoulli (Posts: 1402; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)


Got an email? I can send you my speed test dude, and I'm just comparing phones to phones, also there are various phones dude, there's a 14.4 mbps which were the first "4g" phones T-Mobile advertised, there is the 21 mbps which were the second generation and now the high end ones which are 42mbps theoretical, I've got no reason to lie bro, now what phone were these people using??? And you know,I owned a mytouch 4g but at one point the most I ever pulled was 4 mbps, it wasn't until I got it stolen and got my free replacement as a galaxy blaze, which is HSPA+ 42mbps

posted on 07 Oct 2012, 21:19

10. Hughey2k2 (Posts: 12; Member since: 26 Jul 2012)


I have an SGS2 on T-Mobile my average speed test is around 14 to 19mbs in northeast Nj

posted on 08 Oct 2012, 01:00

11. DSmithee (unregistered)


If anything, Tmobile gets more capacity in a few very key metro markets. Dallas/Ft. Worth metro, all of Florida, a large chunk of Calfornia, part of MIchigan, etc...

Seems smart to me.

posted on 09 Oct 2012, 18:28

14. Bernoulli (Posts: 1402; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)


True lol but consider this, my city, Beaumont Texas is a hspa+ market, T-Mobile was the second to offer 4G, first was Verizon, then AT&T and until this point sprint still gets peaks of .87 mbps, it's a shame that even leap beats sprint with peaks of 1.03 mbps, I really do hope though they change their ways, it's 2012 and they are still stuck in 3G, oh and in the outskirts near the country, sprint doesn't even have service!! O.o haha I was laughing when my friends said they didn't have service in Lumberton, near kounzte, while I did have service and was able to pull 3 mbps, I'm curious if the map for sprint coverage tells us about the crappy coverage they have lol

posted on 09 Oct 2012, 21:02

15. DSmithee (unregistered)


You're preaching to the choir--I dumped Verizon not too long ago because I didn't want to pay $100 a month to use a smartphone. So I jumped ship to Virgin.

Geezus, was that eye-opening. Sprint's data is HORRIBLE in South Florida. I barely get reception anywhere, and my data speeds are miserable. I'll probably sign up with T-Mobile in the near future--$69 for 500 min and 2 GB of data with unlimited texting. That's fine with me.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 09:26

17. Bernoulli (Posts: 1402; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)


What about 100 minutes, unlimited texting and 5 gigs with hotspot for 30$? With T-Mobile you can do this too lol

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 20:58 1

18. DSmithee (unregistered)


That's very tempting, as well--but I need the 500 min.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 22:33

19. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


ICK your talking about a CLASSIC plan.. EEEWW.. NO NO NO. Those plans are for fools. you dont want to be a fool do you?

Dude. Seriously..
Prepay $60 unl talk, text, 2 gig web before throttle
$70 unl talk, text, 5 gig web before throttle

On VALUE plan
500 talk, text, TRUE UNLIMITED web for $60
Unl talk, text, true unlimited web for $70

Why prepay or Value?
Both ways are full price phone plans that offer you INSURANCE.
On Prepay, you have to pay 100% of phone cost upfront, but monthly TAXES are WAY cheaper.
On Value, if you choose, you can break up the cost of the phone over 20 months and pay it over time... but "cell phone plan" taxes are more expensive. (in FL for example, its 7%monthly sales tax on prepay vs 22% monthly sales tax on cell phone plans)
You also get true no-throttle unlimited on the plan vs prepay.

So you have to decide which is better for you.

Classic is almost NEVER the better deal unless you are getting 2 free OUT THE DOOR SGS3/Note2's out of the deal.

posted on 10 Oct 2012, 23:56

20. Bernoulli (Posts: 1402; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)


You can also download groove IP, that let's you use your data (wifi or data plan) to make calls unlimited, best app ever, only draw back is it doesn't really work well on gprs regions, so if you live in no mans land don't get that app lol or, no offense, but I don't think virgin mobiles internet is fast enough to support it, you have to have above a megabyte

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