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Steve Jobs wanted to create his own mobile carrier
We all know that Steve Jobs loved to control Apple products from end to end, so it should come as no surprise that he wanted Apple to run its own mobile carrier and bypass the system overall. This news is according to John Stanton. Stanton is somewhat of a legend in the mobile world. He was the founder  and CEO of Western Wireless, former CEO of VoiceStream Wireless (which became T-Mobile), and CTIA, and current chairman of venture capital firm Trilogy Partners. And, when Stanton was CEO of VoiceStream, the company invested in Danger, which went on to create the Sidekick, and had had developers spin off to create Android. 

According to Stanton, he and Jobs spent a considerable amount of time between 2005 and 2007 discussing ideas for Apple to create its own wireless carrier. He said that Jobs "wanted to replace carriers" and that eventually Job's vision became to use unlicensed spectrum (WiFi spectrum) to create a mobile carrier. This way Apple would truly control everything from end to end, not to mention it would have been able to avoid the rash of problems users have had over the years with AT&T. 

It's unclear how Apple could have built up a wireless carrier with enough coverage using WiFi in the US alone let alone globally in all of the regions the iPhone has been made available. Perhaps that logistical issue is what led Jobs to kill the idea in 2007. Of course, rumors still continue that Apple or Google may try to buy a carrier like Sprint or T-Mobile in order to disrupt the carrier model from the inside, but as yet, we're still at the mercy of companies like Big Red. 

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posted on 15 Nov 2011, 20:16 10

1. mills0806 (Posts: 37; Member since: 13 Nov 2011)


Couldn't hurt i guess the carriers now are pretty much douches anyways.

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 05:12 6

26. bobfreking55 (Posts: 866; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)


But with the OS, Phone and Network all owned by a single company...

all cool but

It's starting to feel scary.

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 14:22 1

54. andro. (Posts: 1944; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)


Agreed the level of control,surveillance and money goughing by an apple carrier network would indeed be scary,but maybe it might be an eye opener for apple when they see so many of their bill paying customers complaining of dropping calls and threatening to cancel their contracts.

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 14:16

53. DincWithMIUI (Posts: 6; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)


Douches that employ over 250,000 employees directly in the US and probably a million people total. You are right. They are horrible.

posted on 15 Nov 2011, 20:20 8

2. xiobnb (Posts: 74; Member since: 11 Nov 2011)


i wish google would come out with a new and cheap carrier...its ridiculous how expensive phone plans are today

posted on 15 Nov 2011, 20:21 7

3. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


I think at some point google will become a carrier. They already own spectrum and offer google voice which now includes voip on pc's

posted on 15 Nov 2011, 20:30

7. belovedson (Posts: 832; Member since: 30 Nov 2010)


really doesnt make any business sense for google to start its own carrier. its better that google piggyback on sprint. share spectrum and offload most of the data that users need to wireless service providers.

posted on 15 Nov 2011, 20:57 6

14. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2668; Member since: 26 May 2011)


It makes perfect business sense, especially since given Sprint's success rate, it seems pretty likely that Google could run the company better than it's been running itself.

posted on 15 Nov 2011, 20:31 3

8. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


one could hope. and yes, with google's open arms policies, an iphone would probably live happily side by side with a nexus on google's carrier.

posted on 15 Nov 2011, 20:43 6

11. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


check the samsung korea thread where you get owned by facts again.

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 09:50

30. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


and this is why you are the biggest troll on the site.
1) you bring up something that has NOTHING to do with what anyone is talking about
2) you didnt own me on anything. your an idiot.

hey look..i think someone is crossing a bridge somewhere.. shouldnt you go stalk them?

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 13:12

46. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


you are really just a big stupid troll arent you?
you didnt own anything.. i doubt u could own yourself. And what does any of that have to do with this conversation. You are just trying your best to start a flame war up. I hope the next time you get a vacation, its permanent.. geesh. you obviously learned nothing from your time away.

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 10:32

32. downphoenix (Posts: 2301; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)


true but Apple would never allow their phone on that carrier as Google is a direct competitor whereas the existing carriers arent competing with Apple. Also Im sure Google would want no part in bad iphone deals like Sprint signed so they wouldnt agree to apple unless Apple was to give a fair price.

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 13:07 2

42. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2668; Member since: 26 May 2011)


If the iPhone didn't exist on Google's carrier it would be because Google wouldn't agree to the ridiculous subsidies that Apple demands, not that Google shut it out as an anti-competitive move.

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 15:57 1

56. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


michael, if google became a carrier, i would love to be a fly on the wall of the meeting with tim cook where they try to come to terms over iphone sales.. lol.

posted on 15 Nov 2011, 20:56 2

13. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2668; Member since: 26 May 2011)


It seems almost inevitable that Apple or Google would eventually be a carrier. It's just a matter of whether the government would allow it to happen, especially with Google.

posted on 15 Nov 2011, 23:50 1

18. Scuba_Steve (Posts: 79; Member since: 16 Oct 2011)


Agreed. Google is already on the radar and or dare I say, s**t list, for the gov?

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 00:05 3

20. ardent1 (Posts: 1991; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


I am curious to see how Republic Wireless' approach to wifi and VoIP turns out. $19 a month is pretty cheap.

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 17:25

59. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


i totally forgot about them. have they already started launching plans? interesting concept anyways.

posted on 15 Nov 2011, 21:00 2

16. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)


what i dont like is the "plans"
why we dont pay exactly what we use ?

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 13:08

43. hepresearch (unregistered)


Although I don\'t know if I would like it, that is an interesting idea.

Prepaid, for the little you do get (if you are not paying $50+/month for unlimited), tends to be quite expensive... postpaid plans, while they tend to offer more \"unlimited\" services (like free nights and weekends, mobile-to-mobile, and the like) for less cost at the low end, are more expensive when you want all-you-can-eat unlimited services. So, if you really want your money\'s worth, the only way to go is prepaid unlimited or low-end postpaid... and you\'ll end up paying $40 to $60 per month either way. If you try to pay less than, say, $40 a month, you will get very little in comparison... like a small prepaid bundle of minutes and texts and web access, but no free nights or weekends or mobile-to-mobile calling, for example. If you try to pay more than $60 a month, you generally aren\'t getting much more service than you could on a prepaid unlimited plan (aside from possibly having better coverage, and also knowing that in a mass emergency situation, your home-network postpaid calls will be routed through first at the expense of roaming or MVNO prepaid subscribers). Either way, the range of most service for least cost, or best value, lies fairly consistently somewhere between $40 and $60 per month among major nationwide players in recent years. I don\'t like having to spend $40/month to get the best value.

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 13:10

45. hepresearch (unregistered)


So, ivanko34\'s idea... pay only for what you use. Prepaid is like that at the low end, but fairly consistently gives poor value for those who do not use a lot in a month. Why not have a postpaid pay-as-you-go option? It would be like a revolving credit account... you use whatever services you want, no limitations, just set rules for what costs what and how much per item/minute/kB/SMS/MMS/whatever... the carrier sets their prices and rules, and once you are approved for the credit you do what you want, and pay at the end of the month. The carrier sets the prices for data and voice minutes, texts, and all else based on supply (available bandwidth and backhaul capacity) and demand (requested data throughput), and thus there is no need for data caps or other limitations beyond simply pricing the services appropriately. People like me, who don\'t use their phone for internet or texting, get occasional emails, and make about 300 to 500 minutes of calls a month (mostly in-network or on weekends anyway), will probably pay very little (guessing about $15-20) after a month, while those who use tethering and such or have lots of calling to do, and/or have multiple lines, may end up paying upwards of $80 in a month. Perhaps they could even price themselves to compete really well with land-based broadband over time. And if you don\'t have the good credit necessary to get a postpaid account, maybe they could offer a prepaid version of the same service that simply cuts you off once you use what you have paid for... until you put in more cash, and then you are at it again. Maybe the carriers could even allow postpaid customers to set their own cut-off limits on data, text, or voice minutes... like some kind of self-imposed frugality meter... and the customer would get a message when they are about to reach one of their limits... I like account self-management tools!

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 13:33

48. hepresearch (unregistered)


one question... why do I end up with a backslash every time I use an apostrophe? \\\' \\\' \\\' \\\' \\\' just testing...

and am I alone in seeing every page of PhoneArena in Web1.0?

update... never mind... every website I go to looks like this. It must be on my end. PA, feel free delete this post.

posted on 15 Nov 2011, 20:22 4

4. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


I read that in his book Michael. He told AT&T Apple was prepared to become a reseller if they couldn't come to an agreement. I was dissapointed by the book overall though. I was hoping to hear more of his own words. The book became repetitive by the end.

posted on 15 Nov 2011, 20:40 4

9. Sniggly (Posts: 6920; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


A biography must have multiple sources. Everyone has their own perspective. Imagine if I was the sole source of your biography.

posted on 15 Nov 2011, 20:42

10. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


That's not what I meant. The multiple sources are fine to define the man. I wanted to hear more of his personal views and thoughts. That's why I bought the book.

posted on 15 Nov 2011, 20:49 1

12. Sniggly (Posts: 6920; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


What specifically would you have liked to hear him speak about?

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 00:04 4

19. ardent1 (Posts: 1991; Member since: 16 Apr 2011)


taco50: "I was hoping to hear more of his own words."

Sniggly: "Imagine if I was the sole source of your biography."

Those books are known as autobiographies ....

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 00:19 2

21. Sniggly (Posts: 6920; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


The point is that there's a certain bias from different peoples' perspectives. Okay, sure, Taco probably wants something more like an autobiography or memoir. But that's not what the book is. It's a biography, written by another man from an impartial perspective. It's not "The world according to Steve Jobs," it's a book about his life and its impact on others. It was especially important to gain insight from many people who weren't Steve because Steve was known for his "reality distortion field."

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 00:48 1

22. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Wow are you trolling again? I bought the book because I'm interested in Steve Jobs. I WAS interested in the world according to Steve Jobs. Have you read the book?

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 07:24 1

28. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)


Hahahaha every time someone disagrees with you they must be trolling... woooowwww taco.

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 01:14 1

23. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Read this Sniggly. Steve Jobs wasn't this evil person you imagine him to be.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/11/15/former_google_head_chef_recalls_humble_fashionably_late_steve_jobs.html

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 02:16 1

25. Sniggly (Posts: 6920; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


First, it's wasted breath to create this strawman that I think Jobs was evil. I understand that he wasn't. He was a bastard, but even bastards can be good sometimes.

Secondly, my point again is that while you may WANT to hear the world according to Jobs, a biography would NOT be the place to get a full depiction of such. That isn't the f**king point of a biography. Jobs would have had to have written or dictated a book detailing his advice, experiences, and thoughts in order to get a "world according to Jobs" experience.

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 11:12

36. gallitoking (Posts: 4684; Member since: 17 May 2011)


you are right Sniggly.. even you are right sometimes... and in some instance your facts... are correct... but explain this.....

"my point again is that while you may WANT to hear the world according to Jobs, a biography would NOT be the place to get a full depiction of such"

then where will i go to hear it?...

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 11:37

40. Sniggly (Posts: 6920; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Well, there doesn't seem to be a book like that right now. Someone would probably have to write it. I made my point because I thought Taco's reasoning for being disappointed in the book was silly. It's like saying Band of Brothers was bad because it wasn't funny enough or focused too much on the Americans.

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 09:51

31. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


i dont think taco knows the difference, ardent.

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 11:04

34. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Says the guy who's wrong almost every time he posts. That doesn't stop you from trolling though.

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 13:14 2

47. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


As long as you keep on thinking im wrong and trolling, that must mean that I'm right and not trolling. There's a bridge with your name on it.. go crawl back under it.

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 14:12

51. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Just in the last two weeks you have been wrong about:

Microsoft owning 25% of Apple stock

Siri using google's servers and not being a threat to google search. Google's CEO himself said Siri is a threat

Samsung employeeing more workers in the US than Apple


You read an article somewhere from years ago and then add it to your anti Apple talk track while completely disregarding the truth.

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 14:27

55. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)


You never explained how you found out that Apple is "employeeing" more workers in the US than Samsung.

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 16:06

57. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


1) i was wrong about the first part only because I was unaware that they had sold most of their stock. You had no idea until you googled it to prove me wrong... lol

2) show me proof of what search engine siri uses to perform searches, because they didnt create a new engine just for Siri. If you think that, then I have a bridge to sell you.. if you cant find proof, then assume its doing a basic google search like everything else... and if not google, it would be Bing.

3) google was talking to the government trying to get it off their back.. they would have said Bada was a threat if it got uncle sam off their case. Doesnt make it true. Next you are going to tell me that you believe that the ATT/Tmobile merger will create 20k new jobs or whatever crack number they threw out last week.

Its amazing how often you ignore actual facts and then pick and choose what to perceive as a "fact" depending on if it fits your very narrow view of the world.

4) You havent proved it wrong. You havent proved anything at all actually.

5) you dont even read before trying to discredit something.. lol

6) if i spent my time trying to keep tabs on how often you were wrong per week i'd be doing a 5000 word paper per week minimum. So instead of spending all your energy in negative trolling actions why dont u just get a life.. go outside.. get a dog.. do something other than act like a troll all day.

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 17:44

61. hepresearch (unregistered)


\\\'r\\\'t

posted on 23 Nov 2011, 08:35

63. hepresearch (unregistered)


I apologize for this stupid scrambled comment earlier... my computer has been intermittently having serious issues... my browser sort of made everything appear, well, web1.0-ish... and every time I use an apostrophe or a quotation mark it ends up scrambling my comment here on PhoneArena and throwing in all sorts of backslashes everywhere for no reason. I have been working all week to try to fix this.

posted on 15 Nov 2011, 21:00 3

15. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2668; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Yeah, the book was good when it was a retrospective, but as it got closer to present day, it just became repeating themes and somewhat hyperbolic talk about Steve's influence on so many different markets. I definitely hope that they release the tapes from all those interviews eventually. It gives a totally different tone to hear the words straight from Steve.

posted on 15 Nov 2011, 20:25 3

5. cncrim (Posts: 497; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)


So many thing one person wants to do so little time. Not just him but everyone on here.

posted on 15 Nov 2011, 20:29

6. bossmt_2 (Posts: 430; Member since: 13 Oct 2009)


Not a terrible idea, but didn't T-Mo kinda try that?

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 01:54 1

24. Jericho (Posts: 302; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)


WHY create your own mobile carrier. first you should create your processors(without samsung) then create your own display(ips) after that create your own camera sensor(sony) and then try to design something new not copy it(prada)

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 06:34 2

27. robinrisk (unregistered)


It appears that us android fans are going to have our own The_Miz!

Though im not sure if that\'s a good thing.

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 11:14

37. gallitoking (Posts: 4684; Member since: 17 May 2011)


he is annoying... and please put a shirt on it... is winter...

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 17:26

60. remixfa (Posts: 13903; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


i dont remember you complaining to Miz when he ran around with his ridiculous spandex clad topless avatar for months.

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 07:35 1

29. axed97 (Posts: 16; Member since: 19 Aug 2011)


off the topic of weather jobs was evil or not. apple making its own carrier would of been a good move for them, apple is very VERY hands on with there products wich is probibly why there is such a big loyal fanbase with them and it seems the carriers seem to hamper there process, the only thing i would think that would hamper apple is there prices lets face it apple is not cheap and that what people want now.

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 10:36

33. DincWithMIUI (Posts: 6; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)


I can't see it being a good thing. The cellular carriers employ thousands of people in the US!! Not to mention at the amount that Apple inflates their prices. They are genius because they can get away with it when no one else can. I can't see a company that makes so much off of a product decide to undercut the cell industry just to save the masses money.

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 11:06

35. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Apple has actually saved the consumer money in lots of ways. iTunes music is a good example. Thanks to Apple you can buy songs for $.99. iPhone is a good example priced at $199. Before Apple smartphones were much more expensive. iPad is a good example as well.

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 14:09

50. DincWithMIUI (Posts: 6; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)


What smartphones were more than $199.99?? I've been selling phones for 10+ years and owned many smartphones (Palm Treo 650, Blackberry 7250, i760, SMT5800, Omnia i910, and now Dinc) and have never spent that much. I agree they did help the music industry not so much for the .99 song but for the download distribution. Cutting the cost of hardware, manufacturing, and distribution brought the price down which would have still happened without Apple but they definitely sped the process up.

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 14:14

52. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


All smartphones prior to 2008 were running in the $250 - $450 range. Google it. You obviously have never sold phones if you don't remember that.

Android fans you don't need to lie to make your points.

Thanks - Taco50

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 17:16

58. hepresearch (unregistered)


... pray tell, what in the world is a \"Dinc\"?

Come to think of it, that reminds me of some funny movie lines, which could be adapted for PhoneArena comedy purposes:

\"What? Don\'t you have your iPhone?\"

\"I don\'t need an iPhone. I\'ve got a Dinc!\"

\"A Dinc? What\'s a Dinc?\" ...

>8-D

posted on 23 Nov 2011, 08:36

64. hepresearch (unregistered)


I get it now... DROID Incredible --> Dinc.

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 12:31

41. MegaZoneEX (Posts: 3; Member since: 16 Nov 2011)


I want to buy a phone the same way i buy a car. Cars not exclusive to any Insurance, i want to but a phone and pick WHATEVER carrier i want. Carrier exclusives phones is whats driving these networks mad. all phone carrier need to be on a universal sim card.

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 13:09

44. MichaelHeller (Posts: 2668; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Sounds like you want to live in Europe.

posted on 16 Nov 2011, 13:55

49. cupcake (Posts: 106; Member since: 15 Apr 2010)


GOOD. Because more competition means better pricing.

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