x PhoneArena is hiring! Reviewer in the USA
  • Hidden picShow menu
  • Home
  • News
  • Samsung's new RAM chips pave the way for smartphones with 6GB of RAM

Samsung's new RAM chips pave the way for smartphones with 6GB of RAM

Posted: , by Mihai A.

Tags:

Samsung's new RAM chips pave the way for smartphones with 6GB of RAM

Minutes ago, Samsung announced that it has started mass producing 12Gb LPDDR4 RAM chips using its 20nm process technology, being the first company on the globe to achieve the feat. As Samsung itself notes in its press release, this will allow the creation of smartphones with 6GB of RAM.

If these numbers don't seem to add up, then you should note the difference between lowercase and uppercase 'b'. Gb stands for Gigabit while GB stands for Gigabyte. As there are 8 bits in a byte, a 12Gb chip can actually hold in 1.5GB of information. By pairing together four such chips, Samsung can now make smartphones that come with a whopping 6GB of RAM.

According to Samsung, the new 12Gb LPDDR4 RAM chips will be 30 percent faster compared to the company's 8Gb chips while consuming 20 percent less power.

Back in December 2014, Samsung became the first company to mass produce 8Gb (1GB) LPDDR4 RAM chips. Smartphones such as the OnePlus 2, the Samsung Galaxy S6 edge+, and the Galaxy Note5 use four 8Gb chips from Samsung for a total of 4GB of RAM, which is the most we've seen on a smartphone so far.

Samsung says that future flagships will come with 6GB of RAM, which will allow for "seamless multitasking and maximum performance within the latest operating system (OS) environments". However, although more RAM is usually a good thing on any computing machine, it remains to be seen if 6GB of RAM isn't actually overkill on a smartphone, as it could appear at a first glance.

What do you guys think, is more RAM what high-end smartphones are currently missing?

source: Samsung

109 Comments
  • Options
    Close




posted on 08 Sep 2015, 23:18 32

1. miket1737 (Posts: 2381; Member since: 17 Mar 2013)


30% faster and 20% less power consumption then current lpddr4 ram? dang. thats great

posted on 08 Sep 2015, 23:47 1

12. joeboxer (Posts: 42; Member since: 19 Feb 2015)


Honestly, I prefer power efficiency over actual power

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 00:23 22

23. neela_akaash (Posts: 1117; Member since: 05 Aug 2014)


More RAM is always better on a computing machine... i totally agree...

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 00:39 7

27. neela_akaash (Posts: 1117; Member since: 05 Aug 2014)


For most of the commentors incoming, Android is not just a Mobile OS. It can run smoothly even in 512MB of RAM.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 01:04 6

37. neela_akaash (Posts: 1117; Member since: 05 Aug 2014)


iOS can't be compared with Android at all. Android is aggressively heading or trying to defeat Wndows or Mac OS X someday.

Android can run great on a 512 MB RAM. But more RAM is a gift to developers. It means in future we are going to see bigger games, high level media editing in smartphones. Soon we will edit 4K videos directly in Smartphones and post them to YouTube. No need of any additional Media Center desktops or laptops.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 02:12

46. Chuck007 (Posts: 1052; Member since: 02 Mar 2014)


Sorry but that simply won't happen anytime soon. Most top-tier games are still developed with iOS in-mind then ported to Android.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 02:59 3

50. neela_akaash (Posts: 1117; Member since: 05 Aug 2014)


That's because iOS has zero tolerance on piracy. App developers earn more on iOS platform. If you Google, almost all the paid games/apps on Android can be found for free via 3rd party websites.

That's the only thing i like about iOS as an app developer.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 03:28

53. neela_akaash (Posts: 1117; Member since: 05 Aug 2014)


And this is one of the biggest selling point for Android that comsumers doesn't want to spend more after they purchase a smartphone.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 05:37 2

68. tedkord (Posts: 10602; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


There's plenty of IOS piracy. All you need is a jailbroken iPhone.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 06:25

79. neela_akaash (Posts: 1117; Member since: 05 Aug 2014)


But for this Android doesn't needs to be rooted...

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 11:01

100. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8820; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


Most IOS games can be found free right on the Play Store. Just sayin!

Because the apps are mostly done in Java and have low quality, their is no point in charging for them. In fact most devs who make apps for iOS, just gives us the Android version because it just isnt worth buying. You dont need 3rd party sites. I've never played an Android game worth stealing

Also, every iOS app you find on the app store can be downloaded on Cydia for FREE which is why Apple hates jailbreaks because it means a bit less money. I never met a single jailbreaker who didnt steal something or add things like money/coins to games to beat the game.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 11:06

101. sgodsell (Posts: 3323; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)


If you really are a developer, then you would know that the vast majority of apps are free on Android, because you can make them free and still make lots of money from ads that are embedded into the app. Remember Android has billions of users.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 03:29 2

54. frenktenk (Posts: 8; Member since: 05 Sep 2014)


iSheep get lost from here and wait for your new iPhone with 2 gb ram

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 04:49 1

62. Trex95 (Posts: 879; Member since: 03 Mar 2013)


Huh! Andriod can run smoothly on 512 lmao best joke of the day. Java engine emlouter will never run smooth and it does always required more horse power and ram than any OS around.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 05:03

66. neela_akaash (Posts: 1117; Member since: 05 Aug 2014)


I think you are confused between Pure Android and Manufacturer's Skinned Android with bloatwares.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 05:56

76. Trex95 (Posts: 879; Member since: 03 Mar 2013)


Nope I'm not confuced since I used nexus 6 for a month and I noticed who's the performance isn't on bar even with note 4. Yeah I understand that nexus 6 comes data encryption that can't disabled and has better ram management than note 4 and S6 even, but still doesn't perform even better than note 4 leave a lone S6. Yeah after the 5.1 nexus 6 start perform better, but still there's random crashes.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 08:15

88. marorun (Posts: 3369; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


Use a ram check on both device you see thats the nexus 6 use a lots less.

for the rest i dont really care as both phone hardware are far from similar.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 05:39 2

70. tedkord (Posts: 10602; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Since lollipop, apps are no longer compiled in the run, they're compiled and stored in native. Yes, it runs very smooth with 512mb. It just can't multi-task very well. Like IOS.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 05:46

72. Trex95 (Posts: 879; Member since: 03 Mar 2013)


I want to believe, but after I try out some cheap Android phones that run with lollipop 5.0 still not that good except the mid end phones runs better, but still not as high end flagship.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 08:14

87. marorun (Posts: 3369; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


Its can also support more features and possibility.

So yeah more ram is welcome.
Its would also be welcome in IOS.

IOS phone with 8 cores and 6 gb of ram would easily beat any other OS with twice the hardware..

This make you think how much Apple make money on sheep thats get iphones. Sure its work ok but you are still paying way too much.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 07:54

86. buccob (Posts: 2518; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)


What do you mean edit 4K videos and posting on YouTube? I can already do that on my Z3C...

Do you mean advance editing tools or what?

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 09:28

94. 497362 (Posts: 60; Member since: 27 Aug 2015)


android will never defeat PC OSes, because of the elephant in the room - the java based virtual machine that makes android more unreliable than its competitors. Android will never overcome this disability.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 12:44

103. Niva. (Posts: 418; Member since: 05 Jan 2015)


Using the word "never" is rarely a good idea in a statement like that.

It might take a while to beat PC OS-es at their game, but Android is already winning the war on most installs. Mobile devices are becoming very powerful and capable. The vast majority of the talks here is about games but that is a very small part of what defines a platform as successful, it's business where the real money is. Microsoft really has carved out their area because of Office and it's not even about Windows anymore.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 01:38

41. lallolu (Posts: 457; Member since: 18 Sep 2012)


Ni, it does not.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 10:57

99. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8820; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


Vanilla Android...YES! But with lots of restrictions. It would be a multi-tasking mess with loads of stutter. You would have to disable everything.Unless you forced apps to run also in 512MB, it will simply not worj very well.

Today's Android would surely crash if it was forced to run on 512MB of RAM. The OS itself needs 1GB to be smooth based on my usage.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 16:31

104. Plutonium239 (Posts: 1043; Member since: 17 Mar 2015)


Touchwiz(Samsung's laggy flavor of Android) cannot run smoothly on 512mb of ram, it lags even with 3GB of ram. No doubt Samsung will manage to make a phone with 6GB of ram lag.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 00:49 2

32. engineer-1701d (Posts: 3271; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


considering the gs6 on t-mobile uses 2 GB just on os and @.4 for a few apps open 6 GB is needed now like asap gs7 time frame

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 00:55 2

34. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 3718; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)


Yes, but what I think is if 1-2GB RAMs with greater efficiency and optimization is better than higher RAMs with old technologies, and I think they would perform better. So newer 1-2GB RAM can perform better than older 2-3GB RAM.

(According to Samsung, the new 12Gb LPDDR4 RAM chips will be 30 percent faster compared to the company's 8Gb chips while consuming 20 percent less power.)

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 04:57

65. cheetah2k (Posts: 1521; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)


More Ram = more ability to multitask. Try multitasking on an iPhone6.. Bwahahaha

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 03:04 1

51. Shocky (unregistered)


Don't worry, I'm sure some budget devices that meet your needs will arrive at some point, performance & efficiency always comes first.

Well when I soon I mean in 2 years. :p

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 10:45

96. miket1737 (Posts: 2381; Member since: 17 Mar 2013)


Yeah but do you not see? It is both faster AND more power efficient then the already current power efficient lpddr4 modules we have currently

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 00:51 8

33. engineer-1701d (Posts: 3271; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)


there u go samsung leading the way in tech so all other companies can use what u created

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 04:08

61. MSi_GS70 (unregistered)


No that's not enough I wanna 32GB

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 10:54

98. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8820; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


That's great because That's Samsung!

posted on 08 Sep 2015, 23:19 6

2. hellonerds (Posts: 313; Member since: 27 Aug 2013)


Nice. Honestly my note 4 would run much more nicer if it was a lighter OS.. not all about how much ram.. it's about how the OS management. . Sure I'd love to have 6GB of ram lol.. I don't even use 16gb of ram on my macbook pro lol..

posted on 08 Sep 2015, 23:24 3

3. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


2/3 GB RAM is enough in a smartphone, 4 GB is overkill. I can't even mince words about what to say about how useless a 6GB module will be.

The smartphone RAM segment requires faster and more efficient RAM, not more RAM.

posted on 08 Sep 2015, 23:34 14

5. miket1737 (Posts: 2381; Member since: 17 Mar 2013)


well how about a little faster, a little more efficient, and a little more ram (all 3) at the same time?

thats

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 00:09 2

18. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


I would prefer a lot faster, a lot more efficient and the same capacity at the same price of the one you mentioned.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 00:40 3

29. medtxa (Posts: 1126; Member since: 02 Jun 2014)


Overkill is fine as long there is no compromise. And i doubt it if the price different would be significant. But i agree with you 3 GB of ram is more than enough for android multitasking.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 01:58

44. bur60 (Posts: 838; Member since: 07 Jul 2014)


There is a compromise, more gb active means more power consumption in the chip, 30% more efficient but 200% more ram? Do the math. U go backwards in power

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 03:25

52. vincelongman (Posts: 4150; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Your maths is all wrong
Its a 150% increase in RAM (4*1.5=6)

Let me simplify the power savings for you
Right now the top LPDRR4 chips are 1GB (8Gb)
So you'd need 4 of them for 4GB of ram
Soon there will be LPDRR4 chips that are 1.5GB (12Gb)
So 4 of them would give you 6GB of ram

So to calculate power savings
Let x = current power consumption per chip
Now
4*1x=4x
Soon (or might be 0.833)
4*0.8x=3.2x
Therefore there's a power saving (note it will be small since RAM doesn't use much power)
Also that's at 4,266 Mbps, 30% higher than the current chips

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 06:32

81. wargreymon (Posts: 678; Member since: 05 Nov 2013)


50% increase*

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 06:39

82. vincelongman (Posts: 4150; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Dammit, I messed up too lol

Also it should be:
4*0.8333x=3.332x

posted on 08 Sep 2015, 23:38 4

9. techspace (Posts: 1036; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)


Note 5 is having problems with multitasking even with 4gb ram. If you don't optimize your software,you have to beef up your hardware.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 00:08 4

17. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


Samsung is using different kind of RAM management. No matter if you keep 16GB of RAM with touchwiz, it will shut down apps and won't keep more than 5 in memory.

It won't matter even if you beef up the RAM to infinity. Note 5 will still have issues. The only way to fix that is software.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 00:34 1

25. techspace (Posts: 1036; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)


Note 5 can have more running apps than the s6 thanks to that extra gig of ram.
You don't need to limit the no. if apps running in the background if you optimize the software or if you beef up the hardware.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 00:38

26. techspace (Posts: 1036; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)


*no. of

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 01:43 4

42. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


It does not after the latest update in s6. The number of applications in increased to 5 from 3 in s6 a few days ago via an OTA.

It's not due to the extra gig of RAM the note 5 held (not anymore) more apps in RAM. it was the DRM settings of s6 that were set too low. 3gb RAM is more than enough to put more apps than note 5 does.

It has nothing to do with software optimization. In fact, you can change those settings in s6 and note 5 by changing the DRM value in build.prop.

It's just that Samsung intended it to be that way. It keeps half apps I memory so that it loads apps much faster, but doesn't freeze them like other android phones. You have noticed how quickly s6 and note 5 launch apps from cold compared to other android phones. That's because partially all apps are always in RAM and the system has to only load Hal of them.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 03:59

56. techspace (Posts: 1036; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)


Why would they set such a limit if the RAM was enough to have more running apps? Obviously because the ram is not enough for both the apps and touchwiz to run simultaneously all the time.
If they put aside more RAM for opening apps quickly and that's preventing the device from having more apps running then it's definitely shortage of RAM isn't it?

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 04:04

59. TyrionLannister (unregistered)


That's not the case as devs on XDA have managed to run many many apps by changing these settings.

Reasons why Samsung chose this kind of RAM management:

1. Apps load faster as they are partially in memory.

2. Battery savings as less apps are frozen.

It's not shortage of RAM. It's definitely not that. 3 GB RAM is insanely high for storing a gargantuan amount of apps.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 07:03

83. techspace (Posts: 1036; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)


They chose that kind of RAM management because they felt that opening app a little bit faster was more important than multitasking?
So if 3gb is enough and Samsung's RAM management doesn't allow you to have more apps running in the background, is the extra gig in the note 5 useless?
I feel that they did it because they found it easier to make the apps open faster than to have more apps running in the background. Samsung devices are known for being resource hungry. I don't think anyone would choose to limit the number of running apps if you have enough RAM.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 04:53 1

63. Trex95 (Posts: 879; Member since: 03 Mar 2013)


Actually Samsung made the S6, S6 edge, note 5 and S6 edge plus with ram aggressive management in order to keep the phone faster and smoother for at least 1 year due that Andriod will lag after couple of month of use.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 05:44

71. tedkord (Posts: 10602; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Keep tardin.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 07:21

85. techspace (Posts: 1036; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)


Using the device doesn't make it slow. If your device is getting slow, it's because of the apps you downloaded or because you have updated to a newer version of the OS that isn't optimized for older devices.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 00:02

15. gingerboy92 (Posts: 7; Member since: 06 Jul 2014)


This is exactly what you we need, it's a faster ram chip, and more efficient, and since it will only require half the materials needed to make the same capacity, it will also be cheaper(sooner or later). Just that "samsung developed a higher capacity, faster, and a more efficient single chip RAM" probably won't attract as much click.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 08:19

89. marorun (Posts: 3369; Member since: 30 Mar 2015)


Its need both in fact.

posted on 09 Sep 2015, 11:08

102. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8820; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


Its only overkill if you phone doesnt do crap.

64Bit chips on ARM do the same thing 64Bit chips do one PC's. They load apps into memeory using double the space.

The reason iOS is really crashing apps now is because apps that were forced to run 32Bit originally are trying to load in more memory space which they were nto designed for and they keep crashing.

Just remember, if you run a 32Bit app on a 64bit CPU, its not going to load double in the RAM, but the CPU will still try to load it in a slightly higher amount of RAM space and it will likely crash.

Also, more RAM means apps can have more capabilities because those extras can run from RAM and let the CPU do other things.

Considering most apps can still only use one CPU core no matter how many the phone has, but opening more apps means you need more RAM. Without RAM the apps crash, stutter, and are very quirky, even on iOS.

You can never have to much RAM. My laptop has 16GB of RAM and sometimes it feels it needs more. I've never had a computer outside a server with this much RAM. I lov eit because i turned off the Windows Swapfile and my laptop runs like a champ.

posted on 08 Sep 2015, 23:24 3

4. SremmLife (Posts: 30; Member since: 01 Mar 2015)


touchwiz needs more than 6gb ram to continue to run well after the first day haha

posted on 08 Sep 2015, 23:35

6. Larry_ThaGr81 (Posts: 438; Member since: 26 May 2011)


I'm thinking that much RAM could help expand the posibilities of what type of graphic intensive apps can be run in split screen mode on tablets. That much in a smartphone just seems like overkill.

posted on 08 Sep 2015, 23:38 4

7. SprintPower (Posts: 74; Member since: 29 Dec 2008)


You can never have too much RAM. Future technology is built on overkill. How can you possibly even pose that question and call yourself a technology author?

Want to comment? Please login or register.

Latest stories