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Oracle considering purchase of webOS as further ammunition against Android

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Oracle considering purchase of webOS as further ammunition against Android
Four sources have confirmed to Reuters that HP is currently taking advice from Bank of America as it weighs the sale of its webOS division. That news won’t be shocking to anyone who has followed the webOS saga, but this might: one of the companies speculated to be interested in buying webOS is said to be Oracle.

Oracle doesn’t seem to have any strategic interest in creating their own mobile platform. Instead, the move would most likely be used to provide Oracle with more leverage in its ongoing legal battles with Google over Android.

The sources said HP expected to sell off the division for much less than the $1.2 billion they paid for it in 2010. Given the exorbitant prices that patents have been fetching of late, it would seem that a bidding war could not be ruled out.

HP acquired several important smartphone patents when it purchased Palm, and it’s likely that the IP could use asserted against a broad range of mobile devices. It’s hard to say how many additional targets Oracle might have in mind, or even if they will ultimately end up purchasing webOS, but one thing seems clear: we will be seeing more lawsuits in the mobile ecosystem in the future.

source: Reuters via intomobile

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posted on 08 Nov 2011, 13:02 4

1. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)


I think i will become a lawyer... I see a bright future there... $$$$

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 13:14 1

5. remixfa (Posts: 14163; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


i always wondered exactly how much these patent laywers get paid.. i wonder just how big their yacht is... and can it hold their Ferraris so they can take it all to a foreign port.

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 14:06 2

10. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5954; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


The going rate in the S.F. Bay Area starts at around $500/hour for experienced associates and goes to north of $750/hour for partners. The average cost to take a case to trial (through trial verdict but not any appeal work) is around $2.0 million depending on how aggressive you want to get prosecuting the patent infringement.

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 14:29 1

19. remixfa (Posts: 14163; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


are you serious??? i might just change my degree again.. lol

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 15:28 1

26. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5954; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


The $ numbers are what I am paying for a A-level national firm to process current applications that I have pending with the U.S. PTO. The $2.0 million number was what was quoted to me as a ballpark budget number when the initial verdict in i4i v. Microsoft was announced. BTW, the $2.0 million number is just the legal fees. There are costs and expenses to add in as well.

posted on 09 Nov 2011, 10:40 1

36. corporateJP (Posts: 1837; Member since: 28 Nov 2009)


Considering you're already an a$$hole, you're pretty well qualified.

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 13:04 4

2. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Hoping Oracle gets some big money from these thieves

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 13:13 7

4. remixfa (Posts: 14163; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


considering how often apple gets busted for stealing code, you dont have a leg to stand on.

put 2 and 2 together.. if Oracle's position is to become a patent troll and milk OS's for some money with palm's long held patents, its only a matter of time before they go after iOS.
Watch what you wish for, you just might get it.

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 14:13 2

12. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5954; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


The scuttlebutt on Oracle's case v. Google over Android infringing the Sun Java patents is that Larry is wanting $1+ Billion.... Got to cover the acquisition costs (of Sun) somehow.

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 14:13 5

13. maxican16 (Posts: 364; Member since: 29 Sep 2011)


Your comments are a joke. Thanks for the laughs!

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 13:11 7

3. remixfa (Posts: 14163; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


oracle has turned into a patent troll.. go figure.

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 14:06 3

9. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)


Maybe because Android violates some of their parents?

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 14:30 7

21. remixfa (Posts: 14163; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


miz, if they were violating ORACLE patents, they wouldnt be trying to buy WEBOS to try to have patents to SUE with. They are buying other patents to try to find ammo, because they have none with their own patents.

posted on 09 Nov 2011, 05:11

33. Gemmol (Posts: 562; Member since: 09 Nov 2011)


your wrong, they are winning the court case already this is just for major damage, did you not read the articles with oracle and android talks

posted on 09 Nov 2011, 07:13

34. remixfa (Posts: 14163; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


they arent winning.. its either win or lose. Its a catch 22 case.
When android first started using the oracle code (java was free to use at the time), they were allowed to by its previous CEO with his blessing. When the company changed leadership, they closed the open java code and tried to sell it. Since google had already been using it for free, they started demanding royalties. Google has already offered out of court settlements, but oracle wants more. They smell the blood money and they want it.

This was just paraphrasing from memory, so if there is any inaccuracies, then forgive me.

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 14:10 1

11. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5954; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


Which is why there is a lot of interest nowadays in patents - for defensive purposes as well as offensive.

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 13:27 1

6. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


4. remixfa posted on 13 min ago
considering how often apple gets busted for stealing code, you dont have a leg to stand on.



Care to share some documented examples?

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 13:47 6

7. JonnyV (Posts: 17; Member since: 08 Nov 2011)


@ taco50
NewsStand, swipeable Notification Bar, Cloud Sync, and Reminders app just to name a few.

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 14:20 1

15. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


You obviously don't understand the difference between code and feature.

Apple has had cloud services for ten years.

Reminder app? That's like saying android copied Apple by having a phone app and web browser.

I'll give you notifications though

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 14:37 5

22. iankellogg (Posts: 155; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)


mobileMe was a joke and hardly considered the modern definition of cloud services. to be fair, google just recently got into the cloud business themselves.

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 19:54 3

30. remixfa (Posts: 14163; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


taco, google was the first major company to jump head first into the cloud.. apple is a follower..

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 20:32 1

31. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Apple had cloud services before Google. You're wrong as usual.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MobileMe

Originally launched on January 5, 2000, as iTools, a free collection of Internet-based services for users of Mac OS 9, Apple relaunched it as .Mac on July 17, 2002, when it became a paid subscription service primarily designed for users of Mac OS X.

posted on 09 Nov 2011, 07:16

35. remixfa (Posts: 14163; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


thats not the cloud, thats tools on the internet. And if you REALLY want to go there, google has had tools on its google.com start up page pretty much since the beginning.

"in the cloud" generally refers to storage outside of normal sources like hard drives, cds, and other "local" media... not to a few apps on a web page which have existed LOOOONG before 2000.. lol

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 14:27 11

18. remixfa (Posts: 14163; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


uhh.. hmmm...

Nokia
Xerox
Samsung
Motorola
HTC (and google by proxy)

Eminem
http://www.zdnet.com/news/report-eminem-sues-apple-for-copyright-infringement/157841

Chineese writers
http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20111005000040&cid=1104

some band
http://patentsind.blogspot.com/2011/08/apple-accused-of-copyright-infringement.html

chineese encyclopedia
http://www.china.org.cn/business/2011-05/27/content_22658073.htm


multiple anti trust and anti monopoly cases
Apple and AT&T Mobility antitrust class action
Creative Technology patent dispute
Typhoon Touch Technologies touch screen patents
Kodak v. Apple
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._litigation

St. Clair Sues Apple For Copyright Infringement
http://www.mactech.com/content/st-clair-sues-apple-copyright-infringement


S3 has hit Apple with yet a patent infringement lawsuit
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/s3-htc-patent-infringement-graphics-rendering-vga-controller,13586.html

Design infringement on the ipad
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/02/chinese-ipad-maker-threatens-to-sue-apple-for-plagiarism/

Apple Getting Sued For Trademark & CopyWrite Infringement over iCloud
http://mobilenewsnow.net/apple-iphoneipad/2011/6/13/apple-getting-sued-for-trademark-copywrite-infringement.html

VIA sues Apple over infringing on three microprocessorrelated patents
http://investorcentral.us/investor-central/via-sues-apple-over-infringing-on-three-microprocessorrelated-patents.html

The Beetles
http://technista.tumblr.com/post/607484481/a-thin-line-between-greats-kanye-west-vs-steve-jobs



And thats just the first few pages of google search on the subject out of dozens of pages.. and i didnt even include some of the wackier ones like the iBird lawsuit.

Get your head out of your butt and quit pretending that apple is somehow superior.

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 13:53 6

8. JonnyV (Posts: 17; Member since: 08 Nov 2011)


Smartphones have been in existance since 1992, when the Simon was introduced by IBM. Countless other touchscreen phones followed. Apple didn't create the Iphone until 2007. So I would say Apple stole a good deal of the technology from others. I have no stance on whether Apple is better than Android or vice versa and could care less about your incessant trolling. Just get your facts straight before you try to flaunt your almighty Apple products.

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 14:42 5

23. JonnyV (Posts: 17; Member since: 08 Nov 2011)


Resorting to personal attacks now? I am curious, do you have any other purpose on PA other than trolling? If you are attempting to upset me, sorry to say, you will fail.

posted on 09 Nov 2011, 03:35

32. s.mrabet (Posts: 117; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)


Taco50, everytime I read one of your comment, it seems your head is getting deeper in Steve Job's ass.

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 14:19 1

14. AhmadAlsayegh (Posts: 256; Member since: 18 Jul 2011)


to all stupid corporates, you are misusing technology!

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 14:26 3

17. snowgator (Posts: 3293; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)


I am really sickened by the thought of WeBOS being reduced to patent troll status. It is a jewel among crap right now. I hope anyone other than Oracle gets it. HP desearves to take a huge, painful loss for their stupid inability to make this work.

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 14:29 2

20. putes (Posts: 38; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)


webOS is cursed... kill it before it hurls the Earth into a super massive black hole.

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 14:50 2

24. ngo2dd (Posts: 793; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)


Many of you people like The_Miz and Taco don't realize that the patent that Google is infringing are not Oracle patent, They were Suns before oracle bought them out. It is crazy how a company can buy and acquire patent and then sue another company with patent they did not create nor help create.
The judge in the case already told Oracle that the amount of money they want was too much. How is Google hurting Oracle with those infringement, when Oracle only acquire Sun around 1 or 2 year ago is the question people need to being asking. And if Google is infringing one Oracle patent then it mean Apple is too if Android is a copy of iOS like what Taco and The_Miz has been saying.

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 15:21 1

25. TKFox007 (Posts: 303; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)


How is it that if you're in a legal battle over patents, that you can buy someone else's patent portfolio to use as ammunition in your case that's already going on?

Oracle: Look, they're infringing on this patent that I bought today, I didn't have it before, but now I do and they're infringing on it, make them stop.

How can they get away with that?

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 15:34 2

28. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5954; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)


"How can they get away with that?"

Capitalism? In the U.S., when you purchase an asset, unless there are hold-backs, the purchaser gets all rights attached to the asset, which includes any existing patent rights.

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 15:32

27. shanesmac (Posts: 3; Member since: 08 Nov 2011)


ubuntu

posted on 08 Nov 2011, 19:35 3

29. master0fursinz (Posts: 104; Member since: 26 Apr 2010)


i hope google takes a run at web os purchase. this will make android far more sexy incorporating app tabs, gestures and the like.

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