No Windows Phone flagship until second half of 2015, MWC to focus on low-end
1. Birds (Posts: 1154; Member since: 21 Nov 2011)
That is fine... Take your time Microsoft. There isn't any rush... Just make sure that flagship slays when it hits shelves.
8. lsutigers (Posts: 819; Member since: 08 Mar 2009)
No rush???? Meanwhile Android and iOS at killing Windows Phone in sales. Honestly they had decent flagships this year with the Lumia Icon and HTC One on the largest U.S. carrier and Verizon still couldn't manage to sell the phones. I think Microsoft desperately needs a flagship to take on the big two OS's, but they need it on all big 4 carriers in the US.
12. jedpatrickdatu (Posts: 167; Member since: 24 Jan 2013)
Microsoft makes more money with low-end phones than with high end, especially in Asia. US is a weak market for them right now, even with their quality phones.
15. Spedez (Posts: 440; Member since: 29 Aug 2014)
That's just a load of bs. Nokia made about 300-400 million loss for every last 4-5 quarters thanks to WP and low-end models they had to sell on loss. You think 99$ smartphone makes profit? MS said themselves they plan to break even in 2016. That's kind of sad how much cash they have.
2. HugoBarraCyanogenmod (Posts: 1015; Member since: 06 Jul 2014)
This is good news as consumer able to buy cheap phone with flagship DNA inside
3. maverick786us (Posts: 148; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)
Bulls**t!!!! We all are waiting for a Nokia/MS flagship that will whipe out Note 4. Who gives a damm about some low end crap!!!. All we need is a flagship that will give a stiff fight to Note 4 and Nexus 6
6. nokia12 (Posts: 465; Member since: 19 Nov 2013)
i think you meant Note 5 and Nexus 7 :P we are talking about sept 2015 now lol ..
wait for liveitup to come , and see how he will hail Microsoft for this epic strategy..
well Ms fanboys don't mind that , they have been trained by microsoft to keep waiting and defending MS forever..
so i am guessing windows 10 for mobiles will be delayed till sept 2015 as well...
and then they will fight against Nokia Android flagship phone( foxcon) in jan 2016
i am willing to bet in the meantime blackberry will happily surpass windows phone in the flagship category..
17. maverick786us (Posts: 148; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)
Last year, Nokia launched a killer 1520 to tear the back of Note 4. This year they launched nothing. They should have launched a 1520 successor to kill note 4.
1) Samsung will unavaile Galaxy S6
2) Sony will unavaile Xperia Z4
3) LG will unavaile Optimus G3 Pro or G4
4) HTC will unavaile M9
And Nokia / Microsoft's answer to these amazing flagship devices will be low end CRAP!!!!
16. Ishtiaque99 (Posts: 53; Member since: 15 Apr 2014)
WP will wipe out Note 4 probably in your dreams, it won't happen in real world.
19. maverick786us (Posts: 148; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)
See yourself. 1520 us superior than note 3 from every angle
1) Better camera, even note 4 camera isn't closer to the camera of 1520 and 930. With Denim update, it will become much batter
2) Better build quality
3) Better sound quality
4) Premium look and feel compared to cheap plastic and faux leather of Note 3.
The only advantages Note 3 offers over Lumia 1520 are
2) Super AMOLED screen and
3) 1GB more RAM, but that won't make any difference, because WP 8.1 is much more optimized.
27. mayur007 (Posts: 563; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)
note 3 has way way way more productivity
but yes in terms of camera nokia is superior anyday
29. maverick786us (Posts: 148; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)
Forgot to mention battery life, sunlight readibility and music quality. Yes note 3 is more productive because of the extra software that Samsung offers. Some people like it, for some people its just a bloatware. We are not comparing the software aspect here.
37. mayur007 (Posts: 563; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)
yes but when its comes to comparison it should go with all aspects
21. maverick786us (Posts: 148; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)
If Nokia / Microsoft would have launched for a true 1520 successor with camera slightly better, SD 805 processor, I don't see any reason, why it will not whipe out Note 4, just like the way 1520 did with Note 3.
23. Suo.Eno (Posts: 483; Member since: 17 Feb 2013)
You're thinking short term when you mention SD805, SoC-wise Windows of all mobile OS should make the proper aarch64 jump YESTERDAY and bring us that Ubuntu Edge promise. Behind the curve in sense of trying to blanket the landscape w/ more devices in an attempt to stoke some more fire for devs' interest.
But the problem now regardless of your expectations MS seems to be desperate enough to try and bring in that low end below the belt pain instead, which means that upper midrange - flagship models are in the backburner and definitely no serious aarch64 moves any time soon.
With $100 Android One phones and even lower Chinese OEMs' incoming, at least in my country Malaysia they don't have a prayer against cheap Androids.
41. William13 (Posts: 27; Member since: 10 Mar 2011)
I don't see Android going all that much further than what they have so far. I've used Android since 2010 because I hate Apple and their desire for control, and their treating customers like idiots (and their success would say their customers are idiots) but I'm sick of being advertised to. I feel like the market is about to be primed and ready for a newcomer that can innovate and change the game. Windows isn't really a newcomer but they can make a lot of ground with low to mid-range phones. I know everyone here thinks they're a business guru and they know how to save MS but let's all acknowledge that we're regular guys on a phone forum and MS is a multi-billion dollar company that has lasted through all the ups and downs. They know how to survive (they survived that awful creation that was WP6 didn't they?) So my money is on them and not some guy on a cell phone forum. I want to switch fully to WP (my work phone is WP and my personal is Android) so I definitely want a flagship too, but if I have to wait then that's what I have to do. If I can get universal apps between my laptop and my phones, I'll never have a need for another OS again.
4. GenericFanboy (Posts: 50; Member since: 05 Sep 2014)
Cant wait to see the FIRST windows phone "flagship" been waiting forever!
5. meanestgenius (Posts: 9831; Member since: 28 May 2014)
Not a sound strategy IMO, but if Microsoft can put out more handsets along the lines of the "affordable flagship" known as the Lumia 830 and market them as such, they may be able to quell the appetite of Windows fans until they release a high-end flagship phone. I'm rooting for you Microsoft. The more choices of OS's there are, the better off the industry and the consumers will be.
7. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
Optimistic bunch, that's spirit.
This means about time of the big boys are released in 15?
9. Sharky (Posts: 233; Member since: 24 Jun 2008)
Microsoft is killing its own mobile platform slowly, but surely. Windows 10 is really going to have to up the ante. I still have hope and I thought WP had plenty of potential, but I'm losing faith now. My brother was a huge WP fan from the time the Lumia 920 came out, but after the 1020 he decided to go back to Android.
32. elitewolverine (Posts: 5095; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
Hard to go back to anything after a 1020 imo, i dont need a larger phone like a note when my tablet kills it. For me 5in is about as big as i can go, and will be testing that with the recent 930 purchase.
10. FerneyZan (Posts: 97; Member since: 21 Jul 2010)
This really doesn't make any sense at all.. Microsoft is dramatically limiting them selves here.. They can easily bring up a Flagship Smartphone while focusing on tons of lower spec models if they want.. What exactly are they thinking..
When I go to Samsung, HTC or Motorola, the last thing in my mind is to look for a cheap/low end smartphone.. I'm not rich here, so don't get me wrong. But while they focus on the low end models to reach out more people, the heavy users and people that love Flagship types, are going to just look the other way and be happy with other brands..
33. elitewolverine (Posts: 5095; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
And those are the types that usually won't look as MS right at this moment. And those are usually the ones to 'rebuy' a flagship each year. As in going from the note 3 to the note 4.
Right now they are not looking to topple samsung. However, the wait could be the coming of a x86 phone from the baytrail line.
13. Bondurant (Posts: 417; Member since: 04 Jun 2014)
Good decision. That Maclaren should be totally redesigned and come up with a 6inch Surface pro style phablet.
18. mokhtar (Posts: 405; Member since: 06 Jan 2014)
Wp is going with strategy of selling more phones not who s the best, but who the hell will buy this low crap wp, i mean if i want a low end i will go with moto or some xperia or samsumg.. Not a boring os with boring design..
26. Venkatramanan (Posts: 308; Member since: 15 Aug 2014)
It is exactly the other way around. Except Moto, Sony, HTC and Samsung Android phones can not give smooth performance in the low end segment. But WP is very smooth in that specs. My opinion is Android for flagship and WP for low end / mid end. (But I prefer WP flagship too.)
42. William13 (Posts: 27; Member since: 10 Mar 2011)
Its hard to have a valid opinion on low-end phones when all you use is a high-end. I sell all this crap everyday and Android low-end phones (aside from the MotoG) are utter and complete garbage. Android isn't an OS that was designed for low-end processors and
20. maverick786us (Posts: 148; Member since: 20 Apr 2012)
Irrespective of my previous comments, One reason I can think of delay is, because of the issue that Qualcom is facing with its Snapdragon 810 processors.
22. ianbbaa (Posts: 305; Member since: 20 Mar 2013)
I am focusing right now to replace my Android tablet with Windows one. But stylus must be there and there are not many on the market right now which is pitty.
For a phone - i ll keep my note 3 on KitKat till autumn 2015 and then I am sure i will grab first 5" - 5,5" WP10 phone that will be available - NO MATTER IF OR NOT A FLAGSHIP!!! No way i will use that ugly and spoiled material design on Lolipop - hate all over some of my apps already updated with Material design in mind.
Are you right handed users happy to use MaterialDesign with one hand on a phone? Can you reach out your finger to swype out menu from left side??? (5" and more) Or tablet users that got rid of TabletUI after JB??? Do you have the feeling that you need to brush your screen all over just to go BACK or swype down notifications? Wasnt it easier before with TabletUI??? Yes it was - and i do not know who actually designs UI at google but the future of it i do not like!!!
24. Fellwalker (Posts: 312; Member since: 04 Apr 2014)
This is just like when ms gave up on Windows Mobile 6.5 and took forever to launch windows phone 7. Then it lost them all their loyal followers who went to android (looked and worked like wm6.5) or apple (locked down like the future wp7).
if Microsoft wait now, they'll destroy all the progress they have made recently.
Better would be launching a killer windows phone now with guaranteed compatability to Windows 10.
What might bring me back now from Android is a surface style phone with a good stylus. I am not sure if I'll still be in the market by late 2015.
28. xeonfire (Posts: 88; Member since: 15 Feb 2014)
What Windows Phone? Once they start losing their momentum, that's it...they can try to catch up...its just history repeating itself. After a year with WP, i am giving up.
I have never use Iphone/IOS, but recently bought an iPad, the difference is night and day, the content available on the IOS ecosystem is just incredible.
My WP is now relegated to as just a communication device, i don't enjoy using it, battery life sucks, the apps store is still lacking, many apps are just not updated anymore, songs i purchased on their platform just plain disappeared.
I am waiting for the S6 or 6S to switch over...WP for me is on borrowed time..
34. elitewolverine (Posts: 5095; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
Quite the opposite for me.
Over a 100 apps installed. Seriously 350k apps and growing, this is the same amount that android touted as a 'coming' of age for them and held that over symbians head not so long ago. I dont need thousands of fart and task apps. We are still lacking in some games and banks apps but the major ones are there, and growing everyday.
Over 5k songs synced between 5 devices all via xbox music, songs i had burned from a cd even.
Battery life on a normal used 925 daily driver lasts me 8-12hrs, and if i am at 20% and forget to charge it at night i wake up to 15% in the morning even with some backgroud data going through.
With your ipad ecosystem, i wouldnt care when you carry a real tablet pc that has access to anything made for x86 etc. Makes 'apps' seem silly.
Yes they are loosing momentum, so they better be showing enough in the coming months to keep the real buyers alive. Cause right now there is a bigger jump in windows 10 and capabilities than 'material' design in android 5. If win10 comes to promise with its code once mantra.
39. xeonfire (Posts: 88; Member since: 15 Feb 2014)
Sure there are more apps now in the Apps Store, there are some nice one, but what I am saying is that the quality of the apps are sometimes lacking, and some are simply totally neglected by the developers.
If you think apps are silly, then just stick to the x86 programs, and just ignored the fact that the increasing power of smaller apps, and the convenience, efficiency, and the popularity of it all. Consumers and smartphone users are ever on the rise, and apps are where people consume media, search for things and places, link to their friends and family, etc, not so much on PC or Laptops anymore, and if MS cannot turn their strategy around and show consumers and users their direction, people are just going to loose interest.
Personally, I find Android and IOS platform provide more contents that suit me, and obviously majority of the smartphone users, thus bigger market shares.
31. Gemmol (Posts: 788; Member since: 09 Nov 2011)
This is good for me because I thought I would be jealous if they came out with a 1520 upgrade this year......my contract end next year, so if this is true I can upgrade to whatever flagship come out next year.........well I have a upgrade now, but I wasnt going to use it even if the 1520 upgrade came out this year........
Good thing about the 1520......it have none of the slow down that happen to android after owning it for a while, where you have to do full reset to get it running fast again.......
I tell this to people all the time with the 1520 there are no problems no reboots no lag none of the games stop working while I play a game.....theres no problem.......this will be the first phone I wait a full 2 year before I change it and once I change it imma save this phone in a safe place and let it be my back up phone, well I have the LG G2 as a back up phone now too, so I guess I will have 2 back up phones when I upgrade next year
35. stocklee (unregistered)
Oh yes, thats definitely a brilliant plan. Take the Samsungs model of putting out 10+ different variations of basically the same low/mid-range phone every month(the model which was proven to not work) and combine it with an OS that can barely hold 3% of market share and wait for 2nd half of 2015 without any real flagship hoping that people will not totally forget about it and will then suddenly change their minds and say "Whoa these windows phones are awesome!". Good luck with that, Microsoft.
36. drazwy (Posts: 190; Member since: 15 Jan 2014)
LOL MS, you are so cute. Keep losing money and market share.
38. 7thspaceman (Posts: 1524; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
I think that Microsoft knows it has to have something that is high tech for sale in the market place
or it's platform will look DEAD! they cannot afford to let that happen. I know They want all their smart phones to run Windows 10 but that wont be ready until August/September at the earliest. I know it would be Cool to show off Windows 10 on a few high tech smart phones but since a Windows 8
smartphone can be upgraded to Windows 10 to me it makes no sense to not to have Replacements
for the Nokia lumia 920, 1020 and 1520 in the market place . Sounds like they have something up their sleeves but are keeping it REAL SECRET. For Microsoft's sake I hope so
40. cdgoin (Posts: 508; Member since: 28 Jul 2010)
I was seriously disappointed with the HTC M8 in the camera dept.. Nokias cheap phones beat it. I was hoping for something like a 1020 or something for T-Mobile, but guess T-mo will just live with not having a high end windows phone ( Discontinues the 925, and the M8 is online only). But overall this makes a lot of sense, flood market with a lot of mid-range phones at low end prices. Get the lower tier hooked, and then Launch Windows10 ( Phone, Platform, etc.. ) all at one time. With a killer High End Phone. So why invest in a new flagship when the current lineup is pretty solid. Size, Camera, Speed, etc.. etc.. new phones arent bringing much "New" to the table. Given I just "invested" in a nw HTC M8 my wallet will have to wait anyway.