Nexus X (Motorola Shamu) goes through Geekbench, scores higher than almost any device on the market
10. rantao333 (Posts: 322; Member since: 21 May 2013)
its indeed outmuscled even by the iphone 5s.
bear in mind that even for 2015 standard, SINGLE CORE performance is still most impactful to user's experience, feeling & responsiveness. something that long forgotten by most users.
u only feel the benefit of 3rd/4th core (multi-core) when the apps are written to benefit for it / need to utilize the extra core . but sadly smartphone is not PC, there is almost no need for more than 2 core in performing 99% of the task. there is no multiplayer game like battlefield 4, or GPU intensive game like crysis 3 that need multi core. And there also no rendering nor converting needs when using a smartphone. perhaps for now.
so whats the point of having a multi core processor when the single core performance is low ? i guess the only real uses nowadays is for benchmarking.
12. tury694 (Posts: 167; Member since: 25 Aug 2014)
Not really true about the single core score as the most intensive apps are coded to use all cores. You can even check this by displaying cpu usage in developer settings and you will notice that all cores are in use even in calculator apps that don't require that power. Nonetheless the iPhone does have some monstrous single core scores.
77. bob_monkeywarts (Posts: 236; Member since: 14 Apr 2014)
I don't know, but if you have phone with a 6" screen with QHD and those benchmarks, you are probably going to use really intensive apps.
29. sgodsell (Posts: 3627; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
Geekbench is the worst bench marking tools out there. Considering its roots and start came from the Apple world.
44. Wiencon (Posts: 1870; Member since: 06 Aug 2014)
Yeah, when iPhone scores over Android phones benchmark cheats.
50. tury694 (Posts: 167; Member since: 25 Aug 2014)
No, it is a very accurate CPU only benchmark. Many Androids already outperform the new iPhones in overall score. From one Android fan to another, there is no need to feel insecure about Android's dominance.
80. CellPhonesExpert (Posts: 45; Member since: 10 Oct 2014)
20 million China Iphone 6 preorders. Samsung 3q profit drops 40%. Dominance
17. ML0999 (Posts: 1; Member since: 06 Oct 2014)
Yeah but things don't make sense on both sides, because for some reason apple touts the A7 and A8 with 64-Bit architecture, while they push dual cores with 1 Gig of ram... still to this day, at that point there isn't even a reason TO develop apps that will utilize this..
This is what I bet though. I bet a year from now, after andriod L supports 64 BIT, android will have phones with 4 Gigs of ram, running octo cores, and SOME apps will be developed to use the power. I understand its not solely about more cores and more ram however It points to my main gripe with apple, It doesn't seem like they try to do anything BUT keep it simple. Its been 1 year since apple announced the possibilities of the new chip and nothing has come of it as far as hardware tech. At that point id rather invest in the OS/Companies that are trying to do more on a consistent basis. With apple being the only company that makes a phone with the OS, well. They are holding them selves back in the long term because without doing much of anything their bottom line remains well intact..
If its about who will develop apps that DO utilize 64 Bit, and Multicore processors first. Ill bet on Android simply because they actually use the hardware necessary. If IPhone 7 Launches with a dual core processor and 1Gig of ram, it will be official ....apple just doesn't give a fu*k because their bottom line is still amazing with minimal development.
19. dorfoz (Posts: 149; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Seems like apple just waits for the opportune time for the consumers to be ready with the tech thats out there. Yes, it does kick ass in single core, because in todays market multi core applications are not that common. Once it starts becoming more and more popular, only then apple will take that leap.
23. terabyteRouser (Posts: 457; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
64 bit is simply a word size change of the registers in the cpu. this makes more memory addressable, i.e. more capacity. it also increases precision on floats and increases computation on larger numbers. this doesn't impact much at all.
24. MathieuLLF (Posts: 4; Member since: 24 Feb 2014)
I'm sure your story would be the opposite if the iPhone had better multicore performance and lower single core.
25. boosook (Posts: 1436; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)
lol... that's simply not true, and it's funny that in 2014 this story that single core performance is more important than multi core is still alive.
62. terabyteRouser (Posts: 457; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
you do realize that in certain instances, this assertion is valid?
34. Scott93274 (Posts: 4605; Member since: 06 Aug 2013)
Maybe if the older iPhones had more cores they wouldn't suffer with each passing year when iOS is updated to have more of the standard features found on competing platforms. Android phones have the hardware to make them relevant year after year and OS updates actually make them work better. So you can say that multiple cores are not a necessity, but I think that Apple's hardware is incredibly short sighted and not designed to give users the performance they expect for the premium prices they spend on them, at least not in the long run.
37. elitewolverine (Posts: 5183; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
Sorry they dont get updates year after year, nor are they even on the same page. kitkat has been out for a year and still see's an adoption rate rather low.
Updates dont always make things better, i have a load of updates for the s3 and s5 and others that bricked features etc.
40. Scott93274 (Posts: 4605; Member since: 06 Aug 2013)
I'm sorry, did the iPhone 4s not get the iOS 8 update? I'm pretty sure it did, or at least it's trying to. Also I'm making references to pure Google devices, not the tacked on crap that Samsung is infamous for adding to their phones. The stripped down Android OS has greatly improved over the years in terms of efficiency and optimization and as a result performance improves over with each update. And even a low adaption rate of Kit-Kat doesn't make my statement any less true about how Apple's iPhones are incapable of maintaining the same performance after an update or two.
53. Taters (banned) (Posts: 6474; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
Not really. Anything that doesn't need more than two cores won't need strong single core performance.
So if those Android single core perfomances weren't enough and needed the Apple single core scores, then wouldn't the other cores kick in?
You ifans slay me. Total reaching to support your brand.
If 4 cores are not needed than 2 more powerful cores are not needed either. Which means they perform the same....except one has the extra power if needed and looks better on paper.
59. jeff3yan (Posts: 2; Member since: 25 Mar 2012)
I don't know if you're just misinformed or willfully ignorant, but single threaded performance has been the staple performance measure for overall performance for a long time now. Why do you think many people prefer the Intel Core i series over AMD CPUs with twice the cores?
Anandtech said it extremely well in their 8-core Mac Pro review (and may other reviews):
"single threaded performance remains the gate for system responsiveness outside of thread heavy applications"
61. Taters (banned) (Posts: 6474; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
That's for desktop level PCs and systems. Not very light mobile systems where even the websites have gimped versions. Threads are so light in mobile that, yeah, it doesn't matter....any decent single core performance is more than good enough.
You are acting like the single core performance difference between the A8 and the SD 805 is light years when it's minor and even more minor In terms of mobile applications.
You are the one that is willfully ignorant my friend.
58. Taters (banned) (Posts: 6474; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
So basically the outstanding single core performance is wasted on tasks that only need low end single core performance to run smoothly.
Wasted performance is wasted performance whether it is wasted by two cores staying idle or whether it is wasted by two cores using 2000 pounds of force to push something that only needs 20 pounds of force to reach the maximum speed.
One waste isn't better than the other no matter how you spin it. Waste is waste.
63. terabyteRouser (Posts: 457; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Taters, I think you have a misunderstanding how cores operate. When you write software, it is executed in a single thread. That means that it runs on one core only.
In order for software to utilize other cores, the programmer has to intentionally engineer software that spreads work out across multiple cores and runs in parallel. Most software developers do not do this unless there is a need.
So essentially, most tasks that are run, run on one core. The multicore benefits are most beneficial outside of the context of one app. So if you're running one app, it's performance won't be affected by any tasks the device is running in the background.
There are other caveats of compilers automatically converting single threaded code to multicore usages, but frankly these are in their infancy and hardly utilized in mainstream development.
65. Taters (banned) (Posts: 6474; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
No I understand that, maybe not on a software engineer level but I doubt many of us do, not even mighty Jake Lee self proclaimed ultimate programmer.
The take home is that any cou is overkill for current mobile operating systems, not just 4 core ones. Even double core ones like you said. Most are single threaded and Qualcomm single threaded performance is more than enough. So yes, waste is waste. My statements are perfectly true.
75. strudelz100 (Posts: 644; Member since: 20 Aug 2014)
"More than enough" is subjective friend. Currently Qualcomm's "more than enough" performs half as well at web browsing than Apple's mobile cores. Because Krait is 3 years old already. These are the oldest cores on the market. Older than A15 in mobile devices even.
And they won't see 20-30% increase in performance because it won't be able to use the flagship 64bit version of Android L.
Nvidia K1 Denver is going to be great though because it prioritizes per-core performance, over clock-speed; and is ready to accept Google's flagship 64bit software for years to come.
78. KRONeage (Posts: 142; Member since: 17 Apr 2011)
In the old days you might have been right, but newest Multicore SoC chips are a whole lot different. Scheduling, task management, etc are now all done in the OS with API optimization playing a crucial role in assigning jobs/tasks to multicore processors. Apple is still using an antiquated smp core model designed around IBM PowerPC SMP and with NeXTStep's older "Preemptive Task Management" it's extremely weak beyond single core processing.
It also has to do with the fact iOS is based on the same Darwin base as OS-X. Striped of most legacy code from Mac OS frameworks/API's, etc, but it still retains Mac OS's 30yr old legacy file system and NeXT's Suspend One, to Run One "Preemptive Task Management". So in effect they are still stuck in the 80's World of single threaded chip cores that aren't near as parallel in computing as what ARM, Qualcomm and Samsung's Exynos chips are.
In fact Samsung's Exynos is running HSA API's for Heterogeneous Computing Platform. Which was chosen by EU's Mont Blanc HPC Super Computer Project. Want to talk about Multicore? How about multiplatform capability of Exynos? Although they used earlier Exynos Octacores last year, they were able to get 26 TFLOPS per each board rack with utilizing ARM Mali GPU's for CPU tasks. This year they are using Exynos 5433 64bit and are expected to take this first ever ARM Powered Super Computer over 1 PFLOP total processing power.
While Apple is stuck stuck in the dark ages with antiquated OS, file system, scheduling and hardware chips originally designed for IBM PowerPC RISC based instruction sets on PA Semi's PWRficient Dual Core SoC's. The only thing they've done is added in Intrinsity's Fast14 Logic and remapped them to utilize ARMv8 Instruction Sets. Which is a little like inventing the engine before you got a car to put it in and although back in 2005 those PA Semi chips were state of the art, they can't even hold a candle to the efficiency of ARM own 64bit cores in A57 and A53 cores. Team them up with Imagination or Mali GPU's and Apple has been beat in SMP Multicore MultiPlatform processing power and efficiency by a mile! ....now comes Android Lollipop 64bit dedicated kernel with it's own Native Application layer platform in ART and a highly efficient file system, that isn't an assortment of sub file systems running on top of HFS+, a file system that should have died 20yrs ago!!!
And as yet... Apple is still struggling to even get into the ARM's Race w/o drag n drop App to App featured full time system wide pervasive multitasking even Copeland OS could run 20 yrs ago. Productivity is still both iOS's and A series chips weakest point. Sure they can run one thing at a time with parallelism really fast, but they as yet can run many things concurrently all running on separate cores and that's what it will take to lead us into the future of handheld mobile computing!!!
4. Vinayakn73 (Posts: 191; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)
now slap big battery insted of big screen with right price tag.
It's all about the money money money.
6. Planterz (Posts: 2070; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
But don't you want to tell all the ladies you've got a killer whale in your pants?
13. nohatenofanboy (banned) (Posts: 515; Member since: 15 Jul 2014)
lol for that reason I need smaller phone to create space for my 'killer whale' :D
79. Vinayakn73 (Posts: 191; Member since: 05 Oct 2011)
two whales can't seems to fit in one pant. lolz
7. imkyle (Posts: 1073; Member since: 18 Nov 2010)
Exactly. 5.2 would have been the sweet spot. Moto X 2014 edition is a great size. I may be keeping my Nexus 5 a little bit longer.
9. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 12979; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
Slap a better battery and a better camera and we'll call it even
11. Planterz (Posts: 2070; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
The problem isn't really the camera, it's that, being a Nexus, there's no specific software optimization for the camera.
31. Iodine (Posts: 1330; Member since: 19 Jun 2014)
Nexus devices always had not-so-great battery life.
41. Scott93274 (Posts: 4605; Member since: 06 Aug 2013)
lol, especially the Nexus 5. Though I suspect the poor battery life of the previous Nexus is the inspiration for Project Volta. And Hopefully, Motorola's Nexus will have a massive Droid Maxx type battery in it. Though with the unimpressive 2300 in the 2014 Moto X, who can say for sure.
56. kanagadeepan (Posts: 922; Member since: 24 Jan 2012)
Yes... That B$ GalaxyNexus battery... The only saving grace is, its coming with removable battery and I have 3 batteries as spare (charged by external charger)...
15. Ziggy (Posts: 79; Member since: 03 Oct 2014)
Well, whooping forking do. Still too big a phone for my taste.
16. Tuxedo (Posts: 346; Member since: 19 Mar 2013)
I hope they bring both, a 5" Nexus 5 (2014) and 6" Nexus 6.
18. Scott93274 (Posts: 4605; Member since: 06 Aug 2013)
Depending on battery life & if it comes with the Moto Voice & Moto Display, I may just have to bite the bullet and pay full price for the Moto S. The thing is shaping up to be an amazing device.
20. MistB (Posts: 581; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
Definitely getting the nexus x Shamu, with stock vanilla android L on board, pretty much has to be the most anticipated android launch this fall, I'll say even more than the note 4 and edge, can't beat the Android L vanilla look! SD 805 though, will google tout an sd 810 to take full advantage of the os?
32. Twisted247 (Posts: 282; Member since: 12 Oct 2012)
The snap 810 won't be ready for consumer devices till H1 2015, that came straight from Snapdragon..
48. HomerS (Posts: 187; Member since: 19 Sep 2014)
The Nexus X won't sell a1/10 of what the Note 4 will sell.
57. kanagadeepan (Posts: 922; Member since: 24 Jan 2012)
Sorry boss... 810 will come by 2015 only, but 64 bit version of 805 is POSSIBLE, imho... Further the good scores is also proving the same, imho...
67. DnB925Art (Posts: 1010; Member since: 23 May 2013)
I think the only 64Bit device coming out (or out now actually in South Korea) is the Note 4 International with the 64bit Exynos 5433.
26. YourNickname (Posts: 127; Member since: 14 Aug 2014)
I gotta think this is only the Moto S code named shamu and not the Nexus 6/X. Nexus's have been named after fish types, maguro(tuna), mako, hammerhead, crespo.
Shamu is 1) a name of a famous orca/killer whale. Not a type.
and 2 it's a mammal not a fish.
1- the Shamu will be the Moto S phablet
2- the Nexus 6/X wont be released in october. December at earliest b/c....
3- the Nexus 6/X will wait to be released with a 64bit soc. (4gb ram likely)
73. roldefol (Posts: 4242; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)
Amen. PA and the other tech sites may be confounded by
4- the next nexus phone will be made by Motorola
5- Shamu is currently being leaked/tested
6- Shamu is also rumored for Verizon, which means it's the Moto S, not the Nexus.
76. nathan.carter (Posts: 416; Member since: 11 Aug 2014)
Finally. some real thinkers out there.
27. Chuck007 (Posts: 1109; Member since: 02 Mar 2014)
If it's already that big a K1 would've been a much better SOC to highlight Android L's 64-bit capability.
28. haikallp (Posts: 204; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
Still bumped on knowing that it'll have a huge 5.9" screen. Really hope they'll release a smaller one with 5"-5.2" device with a 1080p screen.
38. nohatenofanboy (banned) (Posts: 515; Member since: 15 Jul 2014)
1080p and SD 805 and 2600 mah battery
30. Scott93274 (Posts: 4605; Member since: 06 Aug 2013)
I can see the Moto S/Nexus X as being the go to phones for inexpensive VR. With the large display and high resolution, I can see these working very well with Google Cardboard. Though I do agree with you that aside from my provided example, having a phone as large as 5.9" would be inconvenient. I'm just grateful that it won't be as large as the iPhone 6 Plus (Which actually has a much smaller screen.
33. Twisted247 (Posts: 282; Member since: 12 Oct 2012)
Exactly that's what a lot if people are forgetting. Even though it's tapped at 5.9" it's still smaller then the iphone6plus,