- Yahoo: $419,830
- Twitter: $462,009
- MSFT: $789,145
- Google: $1,160,648
- Facebook: $1,412,655
- Apple: $2,032,304
- Twitter: -$129,334
- Yahoo: $54,182
- MSFT: $102,822
- Google: $250,367
- Facebook: $290,600
- Apple: $464,296
1. yoosufmuneer (Posts: 1498; Member since: 14 Feb 2015)
Who can crush Apple at Profits? Their whole product lineup including accessories are overpriced.
2. sgodsell (Posts: 3491; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)
It's the consumer that allows Apple to get away with those prices. It's also Apple charging flagship prices for their iPhone 6/6s which doesn't have flagship specs like a low resolution display, a camera without OIS. Consumers and Apple have to take the blame. Fool me once shame on you Apple. Fool me twice shame on me.
14. ananthu07 (unregistered)
That is why this year, iPhone 6s didn't sell all that well here in India. But, still Apple doesn't seem to change anything.
50. My1cent (Posts: 342; Member since: 30 Jan 2014)
What's this dustin curtain anyway?
60. ananthu07 (unregistered)
source? if you want to really know the source there is google for that. I am telling a fact whether you like it or not. Go to any non-fanboyish website and you will see that i6S did not do well in India
15. Saioofi (Posts: 241; Member since: 23 May 2014)
You're saying all flagships have OIS and QHD screens?
17. joevsyou (Posts: 768; Member since: 28 Feb 2015)
leading flagships, Samsung usually has the top leading components in a phone in the market yet charge the same price
19. Saioofi (Posts: 241; Member since: 23 May 2014)
Many flagships out there still rock FHD screens and lack OIS. The 6S+ has OIS, an FHD screen and a crazy fast fingerprint scanner. Isn't that enough for a flagship?
41. igorb81 (Posts: 77; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)
...and you forgot the crazy price for low specs. Note 5 is much more capable device in this segment.
20. ihearlivepplz (Posts: 78; Member since: 06 Jul 2015)
Not all flagships have OIS but then again, not all flagships cost as much as an iPhone.
53. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 9532; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
No. But none of them have a 750p display though. They all at least have 1080p or better.
None of them have 1.3/2.0 cameras on them.
They all have at least a quadcore CPU.
5. Shocky (unregistered)
It's all thanks to Apple users, their money is going to such a great cause.
6. carlemillward (unregistered)
And you cannot use 3rd party accessories (unofficial) or parts or it does not work.
9. TerryTerius (Posts: 1672; Member since: 10 Apr 2014)
My thing is... Overpriced compared to whom?
Nearly every PC manufacturer is not making very much money per unit sold and neither are the vast majority of Android OEMs. Which means that nearly everyone else aside from Apple has the opposite problem, pricing their devices too low. I'm not suggesting everyone charges at Apple levels, but something needs to change because the situation is not tenable. There is a reason Samsung and Apple are basically the only two companies really making money in the smartphone market and virtually everyone else is either in the red or breaking even.
Falling prices for Android phones are great for the customer, but that is killing OEM's. They are selling those low priced high spec devices either at cost, or at a loss. Companies like Xiaomi and LeTV aren't as affected because they make their money from virtual markets and services that the devices are a gateway to, but that isn't a luxury anyone else really has. Downmarket pressure is dragging everyone along with it. And that affects R&D & wages more than anything else. The same is true when it comes to PC's and laptops running Windows.
It is simple economics. The lower your margins, the more products you need to sell in order to bring in money. With a maturing smartphone market, that strategy is becoming less and less viable.
24. insyt (Posts: 49; Member since: 16 Sep 2015)
If pc makers are not making profits, they wouldn't exist after all these years. And there's a big difference between real profit and accounting profit.
29. TerryTerius (Posts: 1672; Member since: 10 Apr 2014)
Which is exactly why so many PC manufacturers have either gone under or sold their laptop/desktop divisions over the past decade. It isn't really about gamesmanship, it's simple math. ASP's for PC's have been falling year after year. So even if there was some surge in laptop and desktop sales, they're making less and less money on each and every one they sell.
On average, the big five were making about $15 for every laptop or desktop they sold in 2013. Things haven't really improved much since then.
39. MSi_GS70 (unregistered)
Very well copied? N?
48. TerryTerius (Posts: 1672; Member since: 10 Apr 2014)
Copied what? You think I'm incapable of providing my take on the current state of the smartphone industry? I appreciate your vote of confidence -_-
27. NoToFanboys (Posts: 1329; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)
Doesn't change the fact that they have pretty darn high profit margins
30. TerryTerius (Posts: 1672; Member since: 10 Apr 2014)
They do. And I can guarantee you that if it was an option Samsung, HTC, Sony, LG, Motorola, and everyone else would love to have those same kinds of margins.
32. NoToFanboys (Posts: 1329; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)
Yet they can't, because they don't have the "popularity" of Apple products, also other companies' fanboys aren't as loyal.
38. SamsungPhanboy (banned) (Posts: 765; Member since: 31 Mar 2015)
What are you trying to say? You sound like a moron.
You are providing the exact reasons for why Apple is so successful. Other companies wish their fanboys were more loyal.
This isn't a bad thing.
44. NoToFanboys (Posts: 1329; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)
You sound like a moron hastily calling others morons.
I said the exact reason then you call me moron? Smh
40. MSi_GS70 (unregistered)
Sony had in the past.. Everybody (older ppl) know sony was the lead b4 this crp apple..
And it is ape company where couldn't stand sony in the past so aplle was jelaous and stolen sonys "base" from where sony been making ideas from and doing pretty much same, selling expensive gadgets..
Now apple destroyed sony (they tried to destroy sony pictures, they pretty much destroyed sony music..in USA
57. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 9532; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
Samsung does have them. They simply spend more of their money which ends up being less profits.
consider a company the size of Samsung Electronics, that makes way more products than Apple, has 3 times the employees making roughly half as much in profit as Apple is actually a huge deal.
If Apple makes 10B in profit and Samsung only makes 6B...whats the problem?
Samsung has to spend way more money? They first make their own components which costs mor ethan buyign them. They have their own design team, not buying someone elses work and shving it into your products. They have a larger distribution channel, they have more products.
What happens when the iPhone isnt as profit bae...what does Apple do next? If smartphone fall down which they will, Samsung sells other s**t. What else does Apple sell?
Their cars are not goign to sell above established companies liek Tesla or Toyota. In fact they wont even outsell Chrysler.
Why do you caar how much money they make? What is YORU benefit? Are you a stockholder? Because their products show they dont spend very much money and maybe they dont need too because as you said, they have such loyal fans.
They arent loyal because they want to be, they actually have to be.
Because all the s**t you buy with an Apple logo, only works with s**t with an Apple logo. Your music will play on an android but many dont even know that. The movies wont work outside of iTunes. Teh apps only work on iProducts.
So once you spend so much money, how can you leave?
That' isn't loyalty dude, that's prison!
With Windows and Android, yes you are locked in a prison. But that prison is more free. You arent handcuffed to a brand. if one brand makes you made, you pack yoru stuff and move to another brand and all your stuff still works...ALLLL OF IT!
Try that with Apple.
Why do you guys who think you're so smart, lack so much loggia and creative thinking? That is what Apple products do. They make you stupid. They are so simplified to where they hurt your brain.
Everytime I read a stupid post liek your it burns me up. Because you just don't get it.
Profits? Is that all you can brag about? They are a corporation. If you dont make money you die. No oen knows this better than apple. Because they knwo any day their brand is goign to die unless they can create some fad product to sell. The Mac all but killed them. Being only 20% of their income, Apple couldnt survive on Mac sales only. What happens when the iPhone can't sustain them?
33. khalimany (Posts: 11; Member since: 29 Jan 2016)
this is the most mature and very well thought out comment ive seen in a long while.
54. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 9532; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
I get so sick of this argument you guys repeat this stupid s**t over and over again.
PC makers have to all compete with them all using Windows. Their only mode of attack is tryign to make their PC look different and lowering the price.
Apple yes sells the most PC's above $1000. You know why? They all pretty much cost $1000 and if you want one that si what you have to pay. I dont have to pay $1000 for an equal or better PC to the Mac. In fact I can get a very good PC for $750 a nice mid-ranged one for $1000-$1200 and a top of the line one woudl be roughly $2000 and the professional level PC with cost at least $3000. This vs Apple who sales a low end PC for $999 and a mid-range laptop for $1500 and they dont even have a Pro PC unless you think the Mac Pro is just because it costs $3000. Go an price another brand of PC for $3000 and see what it comes with.
Same crap with phones. Apple has the benefit of havign their own OS. if you want it, you have to pay what they charge. You dont have to pay and arm and a less for an Android with similar specs.
The iPhone 6S is $649. An Android with the same internals is $400. the iPhone 6 Plus is $749, an Android with the same internals is roughly $500.
That same lame ass argument is repeated over and over again. apple is in their own world. They charge what they want. Everything they sell is costing 3 times its actual value because people are stupid enough to buy it.
But not all will which is why Windows has 1.4Billion users and OSX doesn't. That why Android has 1.3Billion users and iOS doesn't.
Dell can't sell a PC liek the Mac for $1000 because no one would buy it, unless all the brands sold a similar PC for $1000. Don't you get that?
In all these years why can't you gusy understand simple economics.
A Ferrari costs $250,000 because no one is building a similar car for a lower price. If it was, Ferrari woudlnt be able to sell a car for $250,000 if someone made an equal or better car for less.
If you want an iPhone or Mac, you have to pay what Apple charges. If other OEM's also had iOS as an option or Mac OSX as an option for their hardware and sold them liek they do now, Apple would be ran out of business because if I can get a Dell XPS runnign OSX for $1000, why woudl I pay $1500 for a Mac to do the same thing?
If I could get a Galaxy S running iOS for $599, you think I woudl pay $649 to do the same thing?
Why don't you guys understand this?
Rolex can sell a watch for $10,000 because no one else is making a watch like it for less than that. Since diamonds actually aren't worth a single dime because they are just rocks, someone could release a nice Swiss watch with diamonds all over it for $2000 and run Rolex out of business.
Dell, HP and others can't make what Apple makes because they cant sell hardware at exorbitant prices. HTC and Samsung can't make as much money off phones because they dont sell them at exorbitant prices....
55. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 9532; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
It costs Samsung $280 to make a Galaxy S which is 99% first party parts. The only part I am aware of that isn't made by Samsung is the cameras. They sell the phone for a starting price of $599.
That means for every base model S they make $319.
Compare to Apple who makes an iPhone for $220 which they sell for $649 to start. The 6S only costs a little more to make maybe $230 or so. Do the math for a phone that sells for $649/$749.
That $429/$529 per phone. We already know, Apple pockets at least $200 with every phone sell...THAT'S POCKET!!!!
But where is the money going? With all that money why is the specs so s**tty? Why is the display not 1440p? Why are they still using 2.0MP cameras? Why can't they fix iOS so there isn't so much space between the icons rows? Why cant we have default apps? Because they know no one woudl use Apple's own s**tty apps, that's why.
They force you to use their apps by default. Now you're forced to get your devices repaired by them too.
That si how they make so much money. They also rarely have cost cutting deals. Retailers can do whatever they want because they already bought their stock and the same for carriers.
Its simply math dude. What school did you guys go too? I'm sure you all went to a better school than I did and I didnt go to college either and yet you all seem so dumb.
56. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 9532; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
As long as you continue to try to compare a platform that have multiple OEM's using it vs one that has only one, you will always be stupid when it comes to numbers.
When you make a product, where all the ingredients come from the same vendor and the recipe is from the same vendor, in this case Windows or Android; then your only option si to try to lower the costs and make as much as you can by volume sales.
None of the Android OEM's make as much money as Samsung as a single company. Samsung is 50% of the Android sales all by themselves. They sold a whopping 434M phones just a few years ago. What OEM has done this? NONE! Not even Apple!
Samsung has more overhead, they spend more in R&D vs Apple and any Android OEM. They also waste a lot of money.
if Apple was for example, another Android OEM, they would be at the very bottom, if they tired to sell an iphoen runnign Andriod for $649 with the specs it has when you can get a Galaxy S for $599.
Why can't you understand this?
If Microsoft made a PC running OS X and sold it for $800 with the same or better specs as an entry level Macbook, the Apple Macbook wouldn't sell.
We all knwo this as fact, except YOU!
Skully license Mac OS to other outfits and you coudl get a computer running Mac OS for nearly 50% the cost of a Mac, which lead to even less Mac's selling. That is why when Steve Jobs returned he took the money he got and bought all the licenses back.
Without iOS and OSX, apple has nothing. They woudl be reduced to a software company and they would die because they make terrible software and they have nothing that can compete equally to Microsoft Office, Windows, Adobe Suite and more.
When are people liek you going to understand this? NEVER?!
58. TerryTerius (Posts: 1672; Member since: 10 Apr 2014)
16. joevsyou (Posts: 768; Member since: 28 Feb 2015)
not even accessories alone! $2000 laptops... come on, $700+ phones for 2-3 year old hardware
31. Ruturaj (Posts: 1299; Member since: 16 Oct 2014)
And that $2000 laptop uses 4th generation Intel processor while 6th generation has been out for 5 months.
46. elitewolverine (Posts: 5172; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
Tell me what flagship from android could run a game as smooth 2-3yrs ago that the current 6s+ can do. I will wait while you find one.
52. igorb81 (Posts: 77; Member since: 27 Feb 2012)
do people still play games on their phones? This may be important to preteens. I don't have a single game on any of my devices and I don't feel like I am missing a thing. Perhaps people need to get a life and do something productive instead of wasting time playing stupid games for hours.
59. TerryTerius (Posts: 1672; Member since: 10 Apr 2014)
Yeah, a hell of a lot of people do. Because adults get bored like everyone else. Especially a generation that grew up on video games.
That is a weak argument, saying we need to be productive 24 hours a day. Jesus Christ are we not allowed to relax and do something simple that we enjoy? What kind of ridiculous statement is that? And who was the arbiter of what is and is not acceptable for an adult to do in their downtime?
37. MSi_GS70 (unregistered)
If the earth wouldn't have so many stupid humans then that company would be crushed..
8. Mfa901 (Posts: 271; Member since: 14 Jul 2012)
And Average brain of a google employee is double than of an apple employee :p
13. Jimrod (Posts: 1178; Member since: 22 Sep 2014)
Based on that logic and your amazing grammar, do you work for Apple?
25. Mfa901 (Posts: 271; Member since: 14 Jul 2012)
Don't say that man... I have english exam on 20th
34. Jimrod (Posts: 1178; Member since: 22 Sep 2014)
:D Capital's to start a sentence and for names, "that" rather than "than" and a full-stop at the end. There you go, sorted! ;)
11. Sidewinder (Posts: 422; Member since: 15 Jan 2015)
Win for Apple and their employees and as long as Apple users have no gripe paying more, then who are we to judge..
12. XperiaFanZone (Posts: 2095; Member since: 21 Sep 2012)
Strange thing is that none of their employees are were the top ten richest while 2 MS founders were the top ten for at least a decade. Idk how that works, esp since apple's profit is much higher than these 2 companies
21. oozz009 (Posts: 517; Member since: 22 Jun 2015)
Perhaps Apple employes are paid better but their the ones who are always on constant pressure. Majority of them can't even disclose on what their working on.
35. DnB925Art (Posts: 988; Member since: 23 May 2013)
Google pays its software engineers more on average than Apple.
61. blazee (Posts: 407; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)
Google pays on average $20,000 more to their employees than apple. Apple's profits go to banks over seas, where it just sits.
22. Michael.Parker (Posts: 273; Member since: 22 Aug 2015)
The more money that goes to Apple the more they kill off innovation through their patent trolling.
28. mayur007 (Posts: 564; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)
That had to be most of the facilities of google are free...
36. DnB925Art (Posts: 988; Member since: 23 May 2013)
Apple still doesn't offer free meals. Most other companies here in the Valley do. I love my free lunches here ;) and it saves me $5-$10/day and I don't have to prepare a lunch in the morning.
42. xondk (Posts: 1290; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)
Average....really, really really depends on how it is counted and who it is counted towards, I know some Apple people, and they don't get great pay, not bad, but not great.
So yeah, show us them median pay instead.
43. srgonu (Posts: 244; Member since: 13 Feb 2012)
It shows how much Apple can squeeze not only from customers but also from its employees. Bad Apple.
45. ameran (Posts: 271; Member since: 04 Dec 2013)
Apple could make billions of dollars per employee, but they will still be the most corrupted business in the modern industry. You might ask me why. I tell you why. Apple employees receive less than the half of benefits compared to Google's employees.
I think PA should do a little more research and compare the amount of people working for these companies. Google has double full time employees than Apple does.
Please go get a life.
47. elitewolverine (Posts: 5172; Member since: 28 Oct 2013)
Google also doesn't have front end stores either, that are kind of meaningless sales jobs that a best buy person can do trying to push a nexus on me.
However nearly all engineers at either one are getting in excess of 100k...no chump change.
62. blazee (Posts: 407; Member since: 02 Jan 2012)
the article doesn't say that apple employees make more than google, because they dont. What it says is that apple employees make double the money for Apple, but thats because the revenue their products make. If you ask me it is a useless story that is confusing to some, making it seem like apple pays more to employees than google.
49. ibend (Posts: 4248; Member since: 30 Sep 2014)
look like they forgot to count apple's worker at foxconn :-/
51. Dave.Weinstein (Posts: 30; Member since: 07 May 2014)
ummm.... so what's the point of this article? is phonearena concerned about these company's stock prices?
much more relevant to us should be the average income (stock + salary) of the employees. who cares about revenue. honestly lower revenue would indicate that they're making less profit (which comes directly from US!), but higher compensation means that the best engineers will go to the best paying companies and stay there instead of jumping ship. that translates into better products for us.