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'Apple is in big trouble,' tech expert holding an iPhone says
Apple might be the second-largest company in the world with a market cap of over $300 billion, but if you take the words of NBC's Today Show Gear and Technology editor, Paul Hochman, it's in serious trouble. 

Hochman, holding an iPhone, spoke at the Forward with Ford Futuring and Trends Conference:

"Apple’s in big trouble. They’re sitting on piles of cash, but they are sitting on a closed system. In biology, in history, a closed system never survives."

At the same time, he lavished praise on Ford for picking an open system, one which allows an external device like both an iOS or Android one for communication and even apps. Conversely, General Motors which opted for a closed system doesn't allow upgrade of the hardware locking you down into using the same device even when it fades out of relevance after a couple of years. This argument certainly holds ground as the lifespan of a car is usually much longer than the one of a phone, but do you agree with Hochman's comments on Apple? Feel free to voice your opinion in the comments below.

source: Pocket-lint

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posted on 27 Jun 2011, 06:47 8

1. fayez (unregistered)


no so sure what he is talking about. May be he should come up with more explanation. apple is making lots of $$$ from closed system.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 11:16 5

29. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)


Probably just another Android fan rambling on because iOS is successful while Android will always be second best lol.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 18:22 6

48. cheetah2k (Posts: 738; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)


Its all about Nomenclature.

Take RIM for example. The Blackberry was the beez kneez for such a long time, and in the last 5 years we've seen little or no changes in both design and OS. The Blackberry OS is a closed system.

Now take Apple. The iPhone is the "new" beez kneez on the block and has been for the last 3-4 years. Over this time we've seen little or no change in both design and OS. Apples' OS is a closed system.

So... if you use RIM as an example (albeit a bad one) of what happens in industry where the company chooses to make little or no changes in design and OS, one could assume that if Apple doesn't diversify/change/innovate soon, there is a "possibility" that Apple might end up in dire straits like RIM.

To be honest, there is truth in this scenario. Many people I know (including myself) who started out using the iPhone in 2007, have moved over to Android simply because Android handsets have offered a different experience, the latest and greatest hardware, and no iTunes.

Apple will have to bring something completely different in the market if they want to stay in the game. Simply pushing the same o same o and expecting end users to just upgrade to essentially the same thing at the end of 2 year contracts is a very poor economic model to be running a company by, into the future.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 06:49 7

2. Eingild (Posts: 203; Member since: 19 Apr 2011)


In Steve Job's world, Biology sh*ts do not apply. He's saying that Apple might not survive with its closed ecosystem, but the numbers tell otherwise.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 06:50 8

3. baldilocks (Posts: 456; Member since: 14 Dec 2008)


They have been surviving in one form or another since day one. Me thinks this guy has NO idea what he is talking about.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 07:14 5

4. r2212xx (Posts: 41; Member since: 18 Apr 2011)


But Apple is still innovative and inventive. Till they are able to churn out ground-breaking and trend-setting products like iPhone and iPad, they need not worry about the closed system.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 07:15 5

5. VIk (unregistered)


Eventhough Apple does have a closed system and ideally they should be affected by it in the near future, they probably wont, because although their products restrict people they have a knack for creating desire! . . . . their products and the company itself is marketed so well that even with the restrictions people still dont mind buying apple products because its cool to have. "Most people seem to buy into the hype that Apple creates."

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 07:15 14

6. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3515; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


He is 100% right. Android in less time than Apple already overtook them in actual phones on the market worldwide. Android’s quick rise to dominance is due to its "openness". People like this freedom & Android looks to gain even more of a lead due to its "openness". If you look at history closed systems never work & this IS going to happen again. At one point Apple was the only kid on the block when it came to touch screen smart phones, but now the juggernaut Android is claiming what was once Apple's #1 status. Apple historically has never done well in the PC world because of its closed mentality. In the business world you only see Windows PC’s, Apple share is so small that it doesn’t even put a blemish on Windows world wide dominance. NBC's Today Show Gear and Technology editor, Paul Hochman, is only using logic & history to make that statement. It just makes sense.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 09:25

22. elandrumiii (Posts: 109; Member since: 20 Mar 2010)


One phone one maker against what almost every phone maker in the world dropping an android phone. I am no iphone fan either. I dropped blackberry for android. Samsung, LG, Motorola, HTC, etc. Then Apple and the iPhone.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 09:55 4

26. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3515; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


We are talking about the OS, not phone sales. Samsung is about to become the #1 phone maker in the world. HTC is in the top 4 phone makers in the world. He is talking about OS being the downfall of Apple. Naturally when Apple cemented it's #1 spot there was no other competition in the touch screen smart phone world. When Android came out it's "openness" was appealing thus their #1 world ranking. People could have bought an Apple iPhone, but they didn't. People chose Android. People are still choosing Android.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 11:04 2

28. Tre-Nitty (Posts: 460; Member since: 16 Nov 2010)


You are such a homer. Dude how much is Google paying you to stroke them like that. It's 1 thing to not like apple but your borderline fanatic. Btw most people don't root nor customize their android phones. Don't believe me, Google it.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 13:41 3

37. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3515; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Dude what are you talking about? You make no sense! lol No one is talking about rooting anything! Homer? What is this 1998? lol

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 14:40 1

40. CRICKETownz (Posts: 980; Member since: 24 Oct 2009)


For Google to overtake Apple this was their strategy all along to partner with pretty much every phone manufacturer out there. What separates Apple from the other guys out there is that they both create software and that hardware to go with it. Others have tried that route (i.e. Samsung Bada) but have been less successful at it. Android is everywhere...so for them to overtake Apple at a faster rate is it really that surprising? If Android were restricted to only one phone manufacturer that rate would probably decrease greatly, but aggressively saturating the market with it's software is what has propelled them. Yet & still Apple continues to be a heavy contender, while just about taking Blackberry's place in the business world. This is an area where Android is very "iffy". Every OS has it's weaknesses. For iOS it's lack of Flash or high level of customization (depending on who you are...me I could less about customization), for Android it's battery life & software glitchiness (resets, powercycles etc.).

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 18:47

50. Da Beast (unregistered)


The point is that if iOS was more open & on more than just Apple products they wouild probably be #1 just on marketing alone because no one can deny that Apple's marketing strategy is that good. Just imagine Android openess with Apple's marketing........that would be pure heaven!

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 15:46 2

44. stealthd (Posts: 869; Member since: 12 Jun 2011)


Androids success actually has very little to do with it's openness, it's really more due to it simply being everywhere and at every price point. Do you really think the average Joe who walks into a non-Verizon store and asks "do you guys have Droid phones?" really cares about his phone being open?



The winning platform is the one with the best software ecosystem, and that's obviously still iOS right now. The Android Market is devoid of quality premium content, partially due to piracy and partially due to the average Joe I described above who doesn't give a crap about apps, he just wanted a free phone.



When premium services like Netflix and Hulu start coming to Android first, then they've officially dethroned Apple. Right now the Android Market is full of sound boards and knockoff apps and that hardly makes it a better platform.

posted on 28 Jun 2011, 16:46 1

61. choupino (Posts: 60; Member since: 28 May 2011)


STEALTHD: Dude get your facts straight before you start posting Bullsh*t onine.

First of all, NETFLIX & HULU ARE BOTH AVAILABLE IN THE ANDROID MARKET. The "Android Market Is Devoid Of Premium Content"??? What kind of Crack do you smoke???

I own an iPhone 4 & an Android device(Atrix 4G) and can easily state that my Android device has much more options for me to use and I can do things with it that IOS can't help me with.

THINK BEFORE YOU SPREAD BULLSH*T "STEALTHD"... I GUESS YOUR KNOWLEDGE IS AS SLEALTHY AS YOUR NAME... CAN'T FIND IT... LOL.

posted on 28 Jun 2011, 16:58 1

62. choupino (Posts: 60; Member since: 28 May 2011)


STEALTHD: I guess, according to your standards, that Android has now officially "DETHRONED APPLE" now huh??? Dud, you sound like this is 2008... Get some relevant true facts and base your opinion on something real...

I'm not an angry guy... It's just that there are people that come to this site to see information and hear our opinions. Unfortunately some of them will view your baseless entry and walk away thinking that you are right.

JUST A TINY BIT OF RESEARCH WOULD'VE PREVENTED YOUR ERROR. TRY IT BUDDY.

STOP THE MADNESS... :)

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 07:16 3

7. neutral (unregistered)


I think Apple can survive this long because Apple is providing one stop solution for a lot of things. If their closed system works because they provide almost all things you probably ever want via iTunes. Apple surely has a lot of flaws but its focus on providing simple and integrated things for all kinds of media via iTunes ecosystem is their ace card. That's what I think.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 07:20 6

8. ivanprskalo (Posts: 102; Member since: 09 Dec 2010)


Seriously people, how no one see that Apple is trying monopolize the market and are doing it in tiny steps.
That behavior is ugly and just mean!!
Let others live and breathe.
Not everyone wants buy super-high-extreme-expensive iStuff (which are, to be honest, built very well) but essentially, are quite like others in the market and you can do pretty much the same things with them, more or less.
So, to summarize, Apple:
- high prices,
- highly restricted OS-es,
- quality of build,
- neat design to some point (but not so beautiful, to me it is ugly, but that's whole other story, I'm trying to be objective here),
- fascistic market behavior...
All in all, not enough to convince people with more than two brain cells in the head to switch to them and buy their iCrap...
Cheers people and die Apple!

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 07:52 6

9. Darren @ (unregistered)


While I do not believe in a closed system Apple does produce the most stable OS's and best built hardware. They will do fine and continue to grow. When Android can have 2 models in 2 colors on two carriers and outsell the Iphone then I will believe in Android again. I want android to beat apples ass SO BAD but even with 100+ devices in the US Market they are barely beating Apple. The problem is TOO MANY devices, too many plasticy cheap looking devices, updates come out at all different times. OS fragmentation is an issue. This is coming from someone who has had 6 android smartphones starting with the Original Droid. I gave up after way too many force closes. Yes I want a beautiful, solid built piece of hardware on a platform that gets regular updates across the board. The Android mentality is to throw a 100+ half baked devices out constantly and clean up everything else later. Apple is no saint in products that had issues at launch but from where i am sitting my Verizon Iphone 32GB is a hell of a lot better and more stable then my old Droid X ever hoped to be. Do I wish my iphone had a SD card, LTE and Flash? HELL yes but I will take my "Oh thats cool device" that is stable over something that is not.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 13:10 2

35. agent7 (Posts: 19; Member since: 20 Apr 2011)


I have had both an iPhone and multiple Android devices. I would never go back to an iPhone. If it were handed to me, I would simply sell it. I want my phone to be MY PHONE... NOT APPLE'S. If I want to use it as-is, then fine. If I want to root and open up even more possibilities, great. It should be my choice. If the iPhone is for you, then that is your decision 100%. More power to ya! My phone works just the way I want it to, and that is what makes me happy.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 18:33

49. sgogeta4 (Posts: 390; Member since: 02 Feb 2011)


You do know that Apple does not actually manufacturer any of its own hardware right..

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 08:00 6

11. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Only time will tell. Their "closed" model is very successful so far with cell phones, iPods and iPads. At the same time android has picked up a lot of steam, but it's not translating for big profits for the actual manufacturers. It did hurt Apple in the pc market though.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 08:19 4

14. Sniggly (Posts: 6496; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Taco, did you... did you just post something reasonable and intelligent?

...

...

Sorry, had to come back from the dead. I died of shock. :P

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 09:11 2

17. Eingild (Posts: 203; Member since: 19 Apr 2011)


Oh man, taco could not have said it better. This guy is finally making sense. Happy for you bro. ;)

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 09:51 3

24. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


that was almost intelligent, right up until the manufacturers part. Manufacturers like HTC and Samsung are posting record sales and profits off of android devices, and it saved motorola's mobile division.

Im going to assume you mean "app developers" not "manufacturers".

Just dont tell that to Rovio who is swimming in android app cash.. lol.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 12:41 1

33. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Apple's profits are so much higher than any manufacturer selling android that it's not even competitive.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 16:46 1

47. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


well.DEEEEER Apple pays no liscencing fees.. apple makes money off of every app sold.. apple makes money off itunes, macbooks, software, accessories, iphones, ipads, ipods, and whatever else..

HTC makes money off phone hardware sales.


I wonder who will make more.. lol.

Now the trick is, HTC (just as an example, insert any phone manufacturer) DOESNT have to pay huge liscencing fees to google for the use of android. The OS is free to us. Yes they pay a little bit to add in the google apps, but its way less than they pay to MS to run WP7 on a phone. And since Android is open they can add little apps like the movie store and make something off that.

The question is, who makes more off of purely MOBILE.. MS, Google, or Apple. The answers may be suprising (no, i dont know which for a fact.. lol).
Just remember, both google and MS make money off of Apple, but Apple makes money off of neither.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 19:29

53. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


So Apples business model is better than htc because they make money off everything. Also they get money for licensing fees as well and with eir new patents they may be getting a lot more soon.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 08:16 1

12. asdf (unregistered)


i'm an android user but speaking with no bias -- apple is only a semi closed system. while there's no arguing the hardware side of things, what apple did recognize and eventually revolutionized was the software side of things (and no, i'm not talking about iOS). i'm talking about the App Store. they were the first to incorporate this into their phones and that's the reason why the iphone took off and never really looked back. the ability for developers to make money what was encouraged more creativity and more apps. while apple isn't the most creative, have to give Jobs credit for letting everyone else do the work for him. at least he has decent standards in quality.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 08:17 5

13. Sniggly (Posts: 6496; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)


Our friendly neighborhood tech guy is forgetting something: evolution can be counteracted with human sentience. For instance, I can't see clearly more than a foot or two in front of me. But through human invention I wear glasses which make up for my physical defiency and allow me to survive.

Also, Apple shares more qualities with a religion or cult than with an ecosystem. That could potentially keep Apple alive for thousands of years.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 08:31 1

15. ilia1986 (unregistered)


A cars guy is talking about phones.. Seriously?

I think that eventually that closed garden will crack. It IS cracking gradually. I watched WWDC 2008 when they launched iOS 2.0 and talked about push notifications. That compared it to Multitasking on other phones - which was before Android - and was horrible (WinMo 5\6 lol).

In WWDC 2010 - as everyone knows - they made multitasking a part of the OS. Arguably this is not true MT - but MT nevertheless.

Long story short - Apple is learning. They do have history of sitting on their laurels and letting their competitors take advantage from it - and it did cost them dearly at the time. I don't think that Apple is ready to commit the same mistake again. Even if it means blatantly using features found in other OSs (like the iOS5 notification center for example).

Now I AM concerned over the future of iOS - as already Android packs about 2x - 3x more features than iOS imo - but I am optimistic. I believe that there is a place for a company like Apple in the long term as well. I certainly wouldn't want them to become a monopoly though.. lest we be forced to pay them every time we turn on our phone..

G'day all.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 13:15 1

36. agent7 (Posts: 19; Member since: 20 Apr 2011)


Let's hope that Steve Jobs doesn't take the route of some cult leaders, and drive his followers to suicide...

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 08:35 5

16. PhoneLuver (Posts: 460; Member since: 05 Jul 2010)


In the short term, Apple won't really feel the pinch. But, just like Nokia who once was untouchable, they have to listen to what their consumers want. Failure to do so will definitely leave way behind. I prefer a walled garden (especially when it comes to my credit card info), as long as it's not too strict!

However, in the long term, just like Windows in the past, Android has a better chance of survival/total market domination. We can see that it's being used in cars, on boats, in houses and laptops, letting people wonder why they should still carry an iPhone around when everything else is part of a complete Android ecosystem.

Now, Apple can expand and become more versatile, but it can never grow as fast as Android, simply because of Android's openness.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 15:53

45. stealthd (Posts: 869; Member since: 12 Jun 2011)


I'd say they're listening to the demands of their customers pretty well, I mean look at iOS 5. The fandroids say they're just ripping off features but they're really just giving their users what they want.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 09:12 2

18. pyn (unregistered)


apple sue all compete, i'm disspointd with apple

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 09:15

19. FanBoyzAFlame (unregistered)


Who cares

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 09:22

20. ronron (unregistered)


dont understand a lick this guy says, it doesnt matter whether closed or open, as long as you're ahead of the curve, you'll win....

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 09:23 3

21. dandirk (unregistered)


Closed system my ass! At least in this context. This guy is an idiot.

The software yes is closed, but virtually anyone can make an app for it (as long as you follow the Apple Bible sized rule set). It also can still interface with much of the internet (sans flash) and other objects.

Apple follows many standards html5 etc.... If it were completely closed Apple would have their own internet language etc.

Honestly a vast majority of people could give a rats ass about open source, they don't know what it is, or care. They want their angry birds, texts, IM, netflix and interwebz.

I think I saw a statistic which actually surprised me, 15-20% of android phones are rooted... That means that 70% (10% know about rooting etc but just don't do it) of people don't give a s**t about uber open customization. They just want to use their phone.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 09:33 3

23. orangemaze (unregistered)


Can anyone tell me what Apple has innovated? The first smartphone with a touchscreen that I am aware of was the Handspring Visorphone. And there was an appstore called Handango. With the Visor I also had an mp3 module, gps, modem, and more. That was truly innovative in the year 2000. In 2003 the first Windows smartphones came out, again they had touch screens, years before the iPhone. The only thing apple has is great marketing. Apple was almost bankrupt during all this, and the iPod and other 'i' harware has since saved them. But once again they are making the same mistakes they made with Macs. They will have success for a few more years, but then people will realize there is no wizard, just a man behind the curtain.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 09:54 2

25. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


apple has been losing market share since the advent of android which stands in stark contrast to apples closed system. Between the 2 its more preference of supposed stability vs a plethora of options. With OSs like Windows7 in the mix it adds a third choice which is more stability than options. If windows7 catches on, i think it will eat into iOS more than Android for that reason. Windows7 is supposed to go after people with a similar mindset to iOS fans who want stability more than anything else.

In the end, who knows. Alls i know is everyone needs to stop suing and then copying each other and get down to competition.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 11:02 2

27. Tre-Nitty (Posts: 460; Member since: 16 Nov 2010)


I wish I was the CEO of a closed system company that is currently sitting at a $300 billion net worth. I'll take that closed system all day. Apple is going nowhere. Let me repeat apple is going nowhere. They are to powerful at this point. When the next iPhone is released it'll draw record sales and crowds. Please give me that closed system. Dude just wants some attention.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 11:45 2

32. ChrisTheTechGuy (Posts: 84; Member since: 04 Nov 2010)


circa Enron 2002

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 13:56 3

38. SuperAndroidEvo (Posts: 3515; Member since: 15 Apr 2011)


Nokia at its peak was way bigger than Apple is today. Now look at them. Nokia said the same thing. Bottom line is that NO ONE is too powerful. Apple is no different. The man in the article is making a sound comment based on facts & history. The minute Apple makes something that people don't like it's over for them. Samsung, HTC, and so on are beating Apple at its own game. They have compelling devices out there that rival Apple's. Android is the driving force behind the success of those companies. It's going to be very hard for Apple to fend off these companies with what they bring to the table. Also to make an app for Android is simpler because you don't have to jump through hoops to please Apple first before the app drops at the App Store. If Apple has the same mentality YOU do then it's simple, HISTORY WILL REPEAT IT SELF. Learn from Nokia!

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 11:37

30. nb2six (Posts: 298; Member since: 27 Apr 2011)


Well as long as the congregation continues to pass on the traditions written in "The Book of Jobs" Apple will continue to have a very large piece of the market share. They may not be #1 but they will hold up at the #2-3 place for a very long time as far as a OS is concerned.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 18:54

51. Da Beast (unregistered)


I wonder how "pastor" jobs feels about Rick Ross selling dope straight off the iPhone! lol

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 11:45

31. WirelessCon (Posts: 309; Member since: 11 May 2010)


In the long term technology needs to evolve as an ecosystem; Apple will change and eventually become open, Apple is good at innovating.

Hochman is right, but Apple will adapt.

Meanwhile Apple will keep making money for the eventual collapse of their closed-system.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 12:43 2

34. joe f (unregistered)


One of the earlier posters made a good point that Apple has this 'religion' or 'cult-like' following, and that really does change the game when you try to analyze the company's long term viability. In the personal computer world back in day, they screwed themselves because of the so called 'closed system' (Apple is very, very stubborn). They were on the brink of never being heard from again, but then they came out with the iPod, iPhone, iPad, and now almost everyone I see has an iPhone.

I've had my iPhone 3g since a few months after release. Lately I've been having a lot of issues (I'm on my second), but it has overall, been a great phone. What people need to remember is that the first gen iPhone and the iPhone 3g were not that 'amazing' compared to a lot of other phones. The cameras sucked, no horizontal texting, no MMS, etc. Over time all of these things were added to newer models or via software fixes. The 3GS and 4 have been better technology-wise, but it seems that Apple's iOS, app store, and look of the phone are the biggest seller. Both of my parents have an iPhone, they are really easy to use. They usually have one really 'cool' feature that seems to override the lack of technological prowess. With the iPhone 4 it was the retina display (which isn't technologically 'behind' in any way, but honestly, I'm not that impressed with the phone hardware otherwise).

Competition is rising very fast with more technologically advanced phones every quarter with Android. Android is on more phones than I can count, whereas the iOS is only on one phone. The strategy has worked for now because the iPhone is still a top selling phone, but over time, the sheer volume of android phones being sold will easily push iOS out of the top spot (some articles I've seen it has already happened). If they stick to one platform and keep the current restrictions they have on their iOS, things could start to hurt. Grant it, there will always be people wanting an iPhone, but there are a lot of people (the number is growing, with myself now included) that want an Android. If Apple doesn't expand to multiple platforms to compete they may be in trouble. They might already be doing that with the rumors about two iPhone 5's coming out this fall, one mid-range and a higher-range.

Customization of the iOS is limited, which makes sense because Apple is the only company producing the product. With Android, you have HTC, Samsung, Motorola, etc. This brings customized UIs such as TouchWiz, Sense, etc. I think this is one of the strengths of Android. It really is open source for developers and manufacturers. It offers users a unique experience even though the core firmware is still Android X.x.

Suing companies in the industry (especially a big one like Samsung) makes Apple look really bad in my opinion, whether or not their claims of Samsung copying the iPhone are true (but so has every other company if that is the case...). This could hurt the Apple in the long run.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 15:12

43. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Can you customize your notification tray on your android device? I know we're able to on iOS5.

You can customize to a degree with iOS. If you want more customization, then jailbreak your iphone. But statistics show, that more iphone users don't jailbreak their iphones. That's a clear indication that Apple's restrictions are working positively to most iphone users' advantage. I personally find Apple's restrictions to be my security for vulnerabilities. It keeps my device safe, stable, and performing like new all the time. And I am not alone in that regard.

Fiddling with a phone's UI is not on everyone's priority list. I have tons of apps to keep myself busy. And like I said, Apple does allow some customizations. So it's not like what you see is what you get kind of thing that you are implying.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 21:38

55. Whateverman (Posts: 3162; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Actually you can customize your "notification tray" (called something different for every OEM, like HTC's FriendStream) on Android. Not only that, you don't have to go to a certain location for all your notifications. But I think Joe f is referring to customization in a broader sense, not just the notifications. You can make you phone look just about any way you want with Android even beyond Sense UI, Touch Wiz, or Blur.

posted on 28 Jun 2011, 03:30

58. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Wow, you mean you can add your own ui on top of vanilla android? That's great. That is of course if the reason you bought a smartphone is so you can play around with its ui. Like I said, that is not on everyone's priority list. I'd rather have a smooth and stable phone with high quality apps than the ability to play around with ui appearances on my phone.

And btw, the notifications you get on an android phone from its notification tray is standard. I don't think you can remove or add to it. That's what the reviews said, and that is why they said that the implementation of notifications on iOS5 is much better than that of android's.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 13:56 1

39. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


I think this analyst does not know what he's talking about. Or, he could just be an Apple antagonist.

How can he say that Apple is in trouble when they are making tons and tons of profit. RIM and Nokia are in trouble, not Apple. There are pros and cons on both open and closed approach. And if you really think about it, android is not totally open either, and iOS is not totally closed as well.

Apple knows their market, and they take good care of their market. And as long as they keep their market happy, they will be fine.

Apple banks on their innovations, designs, their IP's, and their OS. That is why they are secretive and patent crazy. They know that everyone can be on par in technology and specs, but not on aesthetics and performance.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 14:54

41. MIP (unregistered)


That is exactly what I have been saying lately: the so called 'ecosystems' will go the way of the dodo.

http://is.gd/ueT0cj

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 15:11 1

42. Smokn04cobra (Posts: 22; Member since: 20 Feb 2011)


Regarding the story, and the tech expert, that everyone is commenting on...he does have a point. Yes, apple makes great looking products and they work well together. Apple does like to do things their way though which can hurt and help them in different respects. Nothing they did was extremely revolutionary...there were other devices that had those capabilities before apple did. They want you to pay them out the ass for all of their products.

Is a Mac computer well made and a nice product? Yes! Do you pay a large amount for them? Yes! IMHO people are drawn to them because the user does not know how to work a PC (By the way...a Mac is a PC by definition, which is a personal computer and last time I checked a Mac is a computer and it's your personal one) Or, people are tired of getting viruses on their computers. You are getting viruses because you clicked on a link that you shouldn't have...FYI, you will never be able to buy a new iPad for $0.01!!! Or you went to one too many porn sites. If you buy a Windows computer and a good virus scanner...it will work just as good as a Mac for a lot less and do all the same things. Also, 95% of the words computers are running windows...of course a hacker is going to target 95% of a group as opposed to less than 5%. Apple also does a great job marketing and convincing people that they need this.

I own an iPod touch and I think it's a great product because I want a music player separate from my phone so I don't damage my phone when go for a run and its raining or have it get smashed at the Y. I think iTunes is a great interface as well, but apple has not gotten any of my money, I bought my iPod used and I still pirate all my music.

The reason they have a s**t ton of money is because they took advantage of the music industry when mp3's became the new technology. They put all of the music in one place and made it accessible from home or your device and also allowed you to buy just the good songs off of an album instead of the whole thing. Is it the only place you can download and buy mp3's....no, was it the first...I'm not sure, is it the best...even though I don't use it I would have to say yes.

Did I just bash Apple...a lot of people may say yes, and I can't argue with them too much. I just prefer to have freedom with my technology and computers and unlike a good majority of people in today's world I research something I don't know and have a desire to learn. Most people in today's society don't have a desire to learn and/or want everything done for them and are lazy. Apple did a nice job of capitalizing on that opportunity. They have a nice OS...it is just a little limited compared to others and it is controlled.

Who knows if this "closed" system will be their downfall or have no negative impact at all. I just know I like options and I don't like the way they do business.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 16:15

46. jskrenes (Posts: 209; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)


Apple isn't a "closed" system the same way a biological system is closed. They're not a pond that has no stream flowing in and out that will eventually grow stagnant. They have customers that continue to buy their hardware, software, and apps, app developers that continue to write apps for iOS, and their own hardware and software people that continue to innovate.

The advantage that Google has in being a totally open sotware is they can move faster and into more devices than Apple ever will. Their disadvantage is that there are some devices that are Android-based that are pretty crappy. Apple can give a focus and a shine to their devices being a closed or integrated system. I think there is room for both Apple and Google.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 19:11

52. occosta (Posts: 2; Member since: 27 Jun 2011)


Time will tell if there are more people wishing to follow someone who tells them what should be considered perfect (the best), or if there are more people who prefer to try and choose what is best for them.

Apple is probably great, as is the iPhone. I still use my Palm Treo 680, which is really old technology. But I am not yet motivated to pay a lot of money for a new phone just because someone tells me that it is way better than mine.

When prices and connectivity are right, I will probably buy an Android phone, maybe the Galaxy S II or something that may come after that. Untill then, no one will convince me that the iPhone is perfect. The iPad is even more distant of being perfect. Can´t I choose what is best for me? Can´t I believe that the 3GS is enough and is way better than the iPhone 4? Why would I absolutly need the "super" retina display? Can´t I decide if I already need a tablet? Or if I prefer a 7", or 8,..." screen tablet better than the supposed 10" perfect screen?

Well, Apple may sell whatever they want to their loyal customers, but, please, not everybody is forced to believe that Apple is always right. As far as there are alternatives, Apple will have to fight harder each time if they want to lead forever (are they still leading so much?).

I remember a company who could carry a slogan who said simply ... it´s a Sony... That does not seem to mean anything today. I think Apple faces the same kind of challenge, more than any other "more opened" company.

I am one of the people who thinks things can´t get better for Apple. But I think that things can, and probably will get a lot better for people like Google, HTC, Samsung and some other "less closed" companies.

Just to finish, I live in Brazil, where the so "important" Apple echo-system does not exist, because the iTunes Store is really limited down here. I can´t see this as an advantage. This remembers me that a long time ago, almost everybody of good will would think that socialism was the fair way to go. Way better than the "terrible" capitalism. I guess nobody "believes in Santa" anymore. There is no magic. There are much more innovation forces outside Apple than inside it, or inside any other single company.

I would not say that Apple is in trouble, but I really believe that Apple should fight hard if it doesn´t want to get to that position.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 20:50

54. 29packer (unregistered)


Its clear that apple will be around for along time and to say apple is in trouble is a big stretch. However i do feel like more and more people are realizing how nice it is to be able to customize and make your phone yours and have assecess to all of the web instead of having to download an app and get a mobile version of a website.

posted on 27 Jun 2011, 22:22

56. ken (unregistered)


Apple has not answered to customers request, Flash, SDcard.. etc not yet incorporated. If it has, the gap will widen in favor of Apple. I just want a phone or Pad that allow me to copy files as easliy and freely as it should be. Pehaps iFanboys dont mind these additions at all, but wouldn't it be nice to have ? Apple fails to realise that there are many pals outthere who are not App crazy. Honestly, many Android Apps are of low quality, in time things will change and i do believe Andorid Apps should go commerical to accelerate quality improvement and hence incentive for developers.

posted on 28 Jun 2011, 03:41

59. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)


Flash? It's a dying platform. SD card? Try icloud. Read what icloud can do with all your docs and media files, then let me know if an sd card would still be that important. Apple is growing and growing. Do you know what that means? So who are you to say that what they're doing is wrong and that not everyone is apps crazy. Yes, maybe not everyone, but a lot are as well.

posted on 28 Jun 2011, 02:27 1

57. Bada San (unregistered)


Below, please find a short list of reasons which make the whole Android vs. iOS vs. Symbian discussion pointless:

- There are NO mid or low end Apple devices
- There are hundreds of mid to high end Android powered devices
- I love beef
- My wife prefers fish

Be happy with your phone or change it.
It is just a phone, for f%^k sake, not a religion.

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