A Storm is coming, but it may not be very good
sources: Engadget Mobile and BGR
1. (unregistered) posted on 20 Oct 2010, 01:42 0
so what will the big news be from big red??
52. (unregistered) posted on 15 Sep 2008, 09:59 0
the launch of the blackberry storm.
2. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 10:44 0
wow you guys are smart, the storm which that idiot "reviewed" was like a pre-alpha test model. Thats been confirmed by insiders
17. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 13:42 0
Wow. This is really interesting. Somebody gave a terrible review of the Blackberry Storm/Thunder, yet Verizon people are still in love with the phone and saying that the ninja guy was dumb and had a test model. But about a month ago, Blackberry announced its smart click (I think that's what it was called) touchscreen. so that means even if it was a test model, people should expect to see the same or very similar functions with the keyboard. When the iphone had a lot of bugs, Verizon people were all over the forum making smart remarks about how much the iphone sucks. But now this guy is saying that the whole touch screen for the Storm sucks. Why are there no people commenting on that? I agree when some people say that the iphone was a little over-hyped. But I think that the storm was really over-hyped. I don't know how credible a guy in ninja suit is, but from what he says, the touch screen sucks. How can a phone with a terrible touch screen kill the iphone when one of the reasons why the iphone is so popular is because of its responsive touchscreen?
34. allboutvzw posted on 14 Sep 2008, 18:25 0
Verizon customers and reviewers did trash the iphone when it came out. Key word "when it came out", not a tester phone. Duh, tester phones are suppose to have issues. The phone isn't even in production, so anyone who reviewed based off a stupid guy in a ninja suit who probably doesn't even has his job anymore. I am sure one of his co-workers know him by features.
54. (unregistered) posted on 15 Sep 2008, 14:18 0
Yeah but when you develop a feature that is specifically made for the phone, you don't just remove it after the test model. The phone was built for Blackberry's SmartClick, they can't just take that feature away, its part of the phone's hardware. Test models are the basic structure of what future models will become, adding little things here and there, not removing the MAIN FEATURE of the phone.
3. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 10:46 0
if your right click the image on BGR and try to save it, is has storm in the file name. It's COMING!
11. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 11:53 0
Yeah sherlock, that's because BGR named the picture before posting it, the file in the ACTUAL email sent to VZW employees is named "We've got some exciting news to share..." lol
4. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 10:46 0
reserve all judgements till i get it in my hands and tell you if its "hot or not " :)
20. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 13:57 0
I was uncomfortable moving from verizon to AT&T because of this phone. I didn't want to go buy a phone in AT&T and then have a better phone come in the next few months. But now I am glad I didn't wait for this phone. From the looks of it, this phone is as great as everyone was making it seem.
5. Mike T (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 10:46 0
that verizon has an upcoming list of phones to be released with in certain dates starting towards the 15th of september on through may. inlcuding brands LG, HTC, Motorola, Casio (G'Zone), Blackberry, And Samsung
6. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 10:52 0
everyone knows ninjas are not to be trusted!
18. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 13:44 0
you're just saying that because you don't want everybody to thinkk that the supposed "iphone-killer" sucks. If the guy said that the blackberry storm had a superb touchscreen would you still say not to trust him?
7. vzwguyinfl (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 11:06 0
that ninja was a retard. the button screen could be very nice if excecuted well. for example, i have an lg dare, and while browsing for ringtones from vzw, if i touch the name of the song, it highlights it, and if i hold it for a sec, it selects it. same thing with the glimmer from altel. this would almost eliminate wrong clicks. and as far as him saying people will break the screen, lets be serious. we are not morons and wont use a hammer to push the screen. ninja is a moron, and thats giving him credit lol. all i can say is wait till it is released. has rim ever made a bad product?
8. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 11:34 0
What i want to know is how are they getting stuff that are sent to VZW employees this was sent to us in a e-mail?
12. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 12:00 0
Because someone ballsy forewarded it to BGR.
9. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 11:41 0
The Diamond is on the Sprint site for sale now, you vzw wasn't going to get one upped
10. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 11:49 0
whats funny is when you get your famous diamond prepare to have software issues with it sprint is known to release a phone just to get it out there first with all the problems :)
26. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 16:02 0
i agree. verizon wireless takes so long to release phones because they refuse to release a phone that they will have future poblems with. verizon may lose some business because of it but it is a way smarter deciosn to make as oppose to sprint who puts out phones half assed
46. (unregistered) posted on 15 Sep 2008, 08:10 0
Then why is the screen on the Glyde as fuctional as an ATM touch screen? On a good day it only takes pressing the screen three times for it to realize you selected somehting. You know they just need the extra time to block any and all GPS fuctionalty and strip down the RAM and processer.
48. (unregistered) posted on 15 Sep 2008, 09:13 0
Like the Glyde?
13. avimobile24 (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 12:00 0
whats the Big NEWs man I want this phone !! LOL I heard the ninja lost his job at rimm
47. (unregistered) posted on 15 Sep 2008, 08:11 0
He does not work for RIM. He works for Yahoo!
14. vzw fanboy (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 12:24 0
this looks like a cool phone. i wonder if it will beat sales of the voyager? im still waiting for the htc raphael though...how come on blackberrys they dont offer vcast music or videos?
15. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 12:37 0
i think its going to beat the voyager sales. I mean verizon hasnt even advertised this phone and i already have a small waiting list for it when it does come out.
16. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 13:05 0
VZW doesn't add any of their features to any of their PDAs. That includes windows mobile and palm devices as well. Not sure why they don't offer those services, especially when more and more regular consumers are switching from normal phone devices to the PDAs. As far the guy that said that sprint is known to release phones with software issues just to be first, I agree with you on only one device and that is the Instinct. They did not do enough QA on the device before releasing it, however they are rectifying it. But, the HTC Diamond is a PDA device. That being said, I know plenty of people that have the HTC Touch and Mogul and have never once had a problem. The only time that they ever performed an update is to upgrade to Win Mo 6.1. You really need to get your facts straight before criticizing. The fact is the Diamond's predecessor is the Touch and it is available on both Sprint and VZW. It was also available through Alltell. VZW practically crippled the Touch performance, menus were sluggish compared to other Touch models and the overall product was slow. Read the reviews on both Sprint's and VZW's Touch devices. Reviews don't make Sprint's device perfect, but it was rated higher than VZW's. Also the Sprint Touch has something that VZW does not. It adds Sprint's media services: Sprint TV, Sprint Radio, Sprint Navigation, Sprint Music Store, etc. Sprint realizes that just because someone buys a PDA, it doesn't mean that they are a stodgy old businessman who deosn't want any extras. VZW has yet to release a PDA device with their VCast on it, with the exception of the Moto Q9m (which was a butchered consumer version of the Q9c). Since your talking firsts, did you know that the Q9m is one of the worst rated PDA devices for its time and the first and only one to push it out to market was VZW. Sprint waited until about 6 months after to launch the Q9c. Same device without a bunch of features being AWOL and low and behold 2 months later VZW announces the Q9c and quickly tries to sweep the Q9m fiasco under the rug. Both companies have had there share of releasing phones early to get them out only to have firmware updates come out within a month or two, so quit your righteous defense of your PREFERRED carrier. Oh, and in case you were wondering, the phone currently on the market that is the best example of phones being released with firmware issues is VZW's Moto RAZR. It had 4-5 firmware updates within the first 2 months!!!! The Sprint RAZR is still on sell and has had maybe 2 updates to the firmware since it's release date.
36. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 19:10 0
Verizon does offer VCast Video on PDAs (m.vcast.com). AppZone on many PDA gives you some features of a dumbphone. The Moto RAZR has 2 different Software's the old which is when Verizon 1st launched it and the New which is the same as the K1m. The reason why there are so many updates... Moto could not make a good enough Flash UI to work on top of their Java UI. VZW Demanded their UI on the phone but Moto couldn't handle it when all other Cellphone company's could, IE LG, Samsung, UTStarcom. If Moto can get the software right, maybe their phones like the Q9m and RAZR would be good phone but if they cannot meet carrier demand then they deserve to lose the market share... these phones obviously don't effect Verizon's market share.
57. (unregistered) posted on 22 Sep 2008, 12:39 0
It's actually a proven fact that upon the release of a device VZW has a 90 test period to which if there is any problems they start the 90 days over again. AT&T and Sprint have a 30 Day test period to correct any issues which doen\s not reset if there is a problem.
58. (unregistered) posted on 22 Sep 2008, 23:43 0
Um... perhaps you should do a bit of research before making statements. VZW released the original Q and then the Q9M, THEN AT&T got a Q9 global GSM variant than VZW released the most recent version the Q9C. And wnough with this stupid 'crippled' cr@p... on the cell phones maybe, but the PDA's are straight from the manufacturer. VZW just added V-cast to the Q since it's more multimedia oriented then say a treo. you guys can find anything to complain about eh? :lol:
19. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 13:46 0
First of all get your facts straight, Centro and others had way worse software problems when they were first released on sprint. The fact is if you want to make a call with your pda/cell phone,choose VZW the biggest carrier with the largest EVDO network. I actually work for VZW so i would rather have my PDA be stript of functions that i am not gonna use just so i dont drop a call on your beloved sprint network. Give me a call when you switch to VZW cause sprint goes out of business
37. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 20:48 0
you work for vzw? id never have guessed :rolleyes as a former employee, its painfully obvious that youre drinking all the kool-aid they constantly dish out. everything is not as it seems.
49. (unregistered) posted on 15 Sep 2008, 09:18 0
Hey 19: what were the software issues with the Centro? Just wondering because I didn't have any problems.
55. (unregistered) posted on 15 Sep 2008, 17:41 0
Really hmm... Yeah VZW has a bigger Coverage area for Evdo with 3g support... SO i guess its a good thing Sprint uses 3.5g huh? and as far as it goes for v-cast thats a manufacturing agreement. And as far as Moto goes they did not want vzw ui do to the fact that it is slow buggy and uses a rediculous amount of ROM to function. And if you check the Ratings for Call Quality Sprint and VZW are on Par with At&t at a far 3rd.. Sprint actually releases things that do what they say they will do or if something does come out buggy they fix it insted of denying or trying to pass the buck like VZW
21. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 14:13 0
thats right, take the word of some guy with a ninja outfit on, and dont have the capacity to make a judgement for yourself. Besides, people that switch from carrier to carrier for PHONES are idiots. you pick a carrier based on SERVICE
22. vzw fanboy (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 14:19 0
haha lol...i totally agree with you on that
23. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 14:23 0
There are call surveys backing up your great coverage for calls with vzw but they paint Sprint in just as good a light. Where is the study that says apps cause bad calls? You might want to get that fact checked.
24. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 14:47 0
Are you kidding me Sprint is garbage. There customer service is garbage along with there network get a clue. You must live in the dead center of a major city cause if you were anywhere else you would already have a diff carrier
29. vzw fanboy (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 16:55 0
verizon came out on top after hurricane gustav! please read this EVERYONE http://www.marketwatch.com/new
50. (unregistered) posted on 15 Sep 2008, 09:29 0
I live in the 'burbs of Philly and travel throught NJ to NYC and through DE to MD all the time and never have any issues with coverage at all. As a matter of fact, in Atlantic City, I get service in the casinos and my dad and uncle (who have Verizon) do not. I am not trying to say that Sprint has better coverage, but it's not "garbage". It's better for me with a better selection of phones and a WAY better value at $99.99 for unlimited calling, texting and data. As far as CS goes, I've only had to call them a few of times in seven years and while it was a nightmare a year and a half ago, it seems to have gotten a lot better. I'm sure VZW is the better choice for many, but when you make blanket statements, it tends to make you look a bit foolish, no?
25. V.O.R. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 14:58 0
It makes MORE sense that the blackberry storm tested by the ninja dude was a pre-release model and not the official for sale to the public product! Why would blackberry taint there name by releasing a flawed device? Granted! This is there first touchscreen BB but commonsense would tell me that that alone would be cause for even more rigorous testing of the BBstorm than any other previous device. So you guys can continue to speculate, assume and get little bits of questionable info and run with it while i reserve judgement and exercise some commonsense;) By the way Sprint has all was released phones earlier than a few carries because they have adopted a "get it in the consumers hands asap and will deal with issues as they manifest themselves attitude". Its not always the best idea for costumer care reasons but we do live in a "i want it like yesterday" generation so...
27. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 16:06 0
28. The Ninja (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 16:49 0
I put up the video. Yes it was a prototype, and yes it was a bad decision. I loved my job at RIM HQ in Canada, the country was outrageously expensive and the people were a bit stuck up, but the job was amazing. And no, I wasnt a designer or a programmer, I simply worked in the mail room. I was offered to participate in the alpha program RIM was running for this phone, usually all the employees get to participate in one or two a year. I was really happy to get the Thunder aka The Storm as a prototype trial over the Bold because the Bold is really just a beefed up Curve. I made the video for just one reason, and it wasnt to "expose" Rim and Blackberry for a bad product. It was revenge. See I had already been let go 2 days before I made the video, I had made the mistake of emailing several friends a few pics of the device and it came up a security breach through our crack track team ( security personell). I was subsequently terminated for this, and I made the video out of spite. I am well aware that my BB was a prototype and nowhere near the finished the product. It is a gorgeous looking device, and no I am not enthusiastic of the touch technology they are using ( the same type of touch Samsung has tried to use on the Instinct) but I also know that RIM doesnt fail. So for all you Apple enthusiasts that used my video to comfort yourself, RIM will be seeing your money soon enough, since this is a lock to drop the I Phone to their knees. The dev team used I Phones for one month and have taken alot from that experience. That is bad news for Apple. Ninja aka Harvey Fenstermaker if you question my validity and my identity, please feel free to check out my newest video posted that shows me and explains why I did what i did. I still have the Storm, I never returned it.
30. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 17:15 0
Wow no offense but i work for VZW and that was a pretty dumb way to lose your job. That sucks man you should have never sent those e-mails out i love my job and i would never do anything to harm that in anyway
35. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 19:01 0
So if you worked for RIM how did you get the HTC Coke and the LG Lotus that was also in the video?
41. matrix2004 from HOFO (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 23:04 0
Ok so where can we see the new video?
51. (unregistered) posted on 15 Sep 2008, 09:31 0
I call BS!
31. roor (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 17:51 0
if you watched the video.. then you would realize that it was not an actual review. the guy who "reviewed" it is very biased toward blackberrys. check his blog. take the review with a grain of salt and make a decision when the device goes under a real review with real tests.
32. Sean H. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 18:04 0
The "ninja" was using a Storm running old firmware so his review is pretty much irrelevant. A particular insider who has some experience with the current Storm has said nothing but great things about it.
33. allboutvzw posted on 14 Sep 2008, 18:20 0
I don't agree with Phonearena, it's like phonearena jumped on the banwagon of the ninja's review. What did he really reviewm he talked about how he didn't like the fact that you have to hightlight and press the buttton. I like that actually because then I don't have to worry about hitting buttons by mistake. He didn't go threw any applications, programs, nothing. He just talked about the screen. Second, how do we know what version he has and how old it is? We don't!! That model for all we know can be like a month old and not have any updates "remember it is in testing"!!! I still say it's something that is to look forward too.
38. cartmanez (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 21:57 0
Verizon downgraded the camera on the HTC Coke (crack? anybody, aka CDMA Pro) to a 2.0 MP camera. WTF is wrong with them? Atleast Sprint left the 3.2 MP camera on the diamond intact. And what is with pushing the screen too hard on the Thunder? On a blackberry for crying out loud. How many ppl are gonna head over to the chiropractor's for broken fingers?
39. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 22:19 0
Ninja, if that is you. How about some pictures. Share some with the guys over here and at HOFO. You have everyone in an uproar....it's the least you can do!
40. matrix2004 from HOFO (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 22:41 0
I'm very disappointed in PhoneArena. I can't believe they would say the Storm may not be good without having tried it. You can say it sucks or its awesome after you've tried it. WOW.
45. (unregistered) posted on 15 Sep 2008, 07:55 0
theyre passing on a review, and flat out say they will reserve their own judgment until they use it themselves. theyre a news organization and they are reporting on what little news we have of this device. im sure if there was a video review where someone raved over it they would be reporting that too.
42. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 23:21 0
where is this video?
43. (unregistered) posted on 14 Sep 2008, 23:22 0
I agree 200%
44. VZW insider (unregistered) posted on 15 Sep 2008, 01:53 0
I still can't believe how many people still talk about the iphone lol... seriously though, it sickens me.. The storm has a lifetime exclusivity clause to Verizon Wireless written into the contract that RIM signed with VZW, the clause also states that if in the first quarter of release (first 3 months for you iphone dummies) a certain number of phones are not sold, the exclusivity is lifted. I highly doubt that VZW will have a problem meeting that number though. I also take that ninja kid video with a grain of salt, 1. if you read his other blogs he is obviously a Blackberry hater, and 2. it wasnt too technically sound... Uh yeah I dont like it, you have to like press the screen and that means Im probably going to break the screen and uh yeah I just dont like it.... Oh really COOL! I guess he saved consumer reports and any other legitimate company who tests these devices from doing so... Phew I bet they are happy! HA HA HA! Im not saying the phone is going to be amazing, Im not saying that everyone and their mother are going to want it, and Im not saying that Verizon Wireless absolutely knows what they are doing, no wonder they are number1 in the US, and Gosh Im definitely not saying that RIM put together a solid touchscreen blackberry to compete with the other touchscreen phones... I wouldnt want to count my chickens before they hatch...
53. shawnc (unregistered) posted on 15 Sep 2008, 11:24 0
The video was taken down from youtube, but I found it here:http://www.engadgetmobile.com/
2008/09/10/blackberry-thunder-caught-on-video/Anyway, people have gripes about not having physical feedback when typing on touchscreens. If this button pressing thing works well, it could be very successful.
56. 83110 posted on 15 Sep 2008, 19:25 0
wen r we going to find out it said its today but thers nothing?