Samsung responds to benchmark-rigging allegations claiming it's innocent

Samsung responds to benchmark-rigging allegations claiming it's innocent
If you weren't around yesterday, here's what you missed: AnandTech has pretty much alleged that Samsung rigs benchmarks outright with a line of code on the Galaxy S4, which bumps its GPU clock from 480MHz to 533MHz, resulting in an 11% bump in scores.

While we've heard allegations like this before (HTC, we're eying you!), the level of scrutiny and the intensity of yesterday's testing actually painted a very plausible story.

Not so fast, however, for Samsung did not see it prudent to clam up and claimed innocence:

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63 Comments

56. galanoth

Posts: 428; Member since: Nov 26, 2011

Isn't this the same thing as GPU on desktops. It runs at a certain frequency then when needed it goes to max frequency. My GPU doesn't run at max frequency all the time.

54. cheetah2k

Posts: 2354; Member since: Jan 16, 2011

IMO if Samsung was caught "overclocking" GPU or CPU speeds then I agree the results are fudged. However this is not the case and the clock speeds used are within hardware specs, and certain games are instead limited to save un-necessary battery drain and burnout. I think people are looking too much into this and crying foul for no apparent reason...

52. Taters

Posts: 6474; Member since: Jan 28, 2013

I don't even know why Samsung responded...... The GPU runs at 533 on benchmarks, which are apps, that are available on the GOOGLE play store. I believe this is a first. Samsung had to apologize for accurately marketing that their GPU is rated at 533. If it runs some apps at 533 then it runs some apps at 533....what is there to defend.

53. Ninetysix

Posts: 2967; Member since: Oct 08, 2012

if I buy a 533 graphics card, I want all my shiz to run at 533 and not 480. i can't believe you're not seeing the issue here...LOL...

57. iushnt

Posts: 3191; Member since: Feb 06, 2013

if some app doesnt utilize the full 1.6ghz A15 quadcore then thats not the fault of samsung. You haven't bought gs4 then why are you worried :)..cheerup dude, don't get low for this news

62. Ninetysix

Posts: 2967; Member since: Oct 08, 2012

Got some bad news for you. I've had my S4 for about 6 weeks now.

59. Taters

Posts: 6474; Member since: Jan 28, 2013

LOL There is no such thing as a graphics card that runs every single game to the max each time. If you believe that then I don't know what to say.. ROFL In fact, they are rarely taxed. not even Crysis maxes out everything. The fact that some benchmark apps and the camera and calendar pushes the gpu to the 533 max is actually quite rare. usually the max is used less than that. Apple being the worse, under clocking the A5 in the iphone 4s to 800mhz and passing off that weak under clocked variant as the same power hungry much more powerful one in the ipad 2.

63. Ninetysix

Posts: 2967; Member since: Oct 08, 2012

That's not the issue. The issue is that it's ONLY allowing benchmark apps to 533 using its whitelist and runs everying else at 480. They should have advertised it as a 480Mhz GPU. It doesn't matter if it CAN bottleneck the GPU but it SHOULD let it bottleneck and take advantage of the full speed. Taters..son i'm dissappoint.

50. synot

Posts: 277; Member since: Sep 14, 2012

Phonearenas authors need to do research before writing articles and consult companies before writing embarrasing articles which is found to be in error just a day after.The Author of yesterdays article should have consult Samsung before accusing them of conspiracy based on other peoples journalism..

40. gazmatic

Posts: 822; Member since: Sep 06, 2012

real world performance still count and PA has stated that google edition is better than touchwiz

39. Samsungadroidrules

Posts: 104; Member since: Jul 28, 2013

There are few samsung haters here. I wonder what they can say bad now or probably they are digging small issues about samsung and make it big deal just for the sake that they can say crap things about Samsung, Wooooaaa. Samsung phones rules! And will be for the next 20 years. hahaha

36. xtian1103

Posts: 364; Member since: Feb 11, 2012

if you pay a visit in asia most specially china, vietnam, philippines, the most copied device you will find is no other than the galaxy series. it's dreadfully similar nowadays even the touchwiz is the same, well unless you take a look at the internals you'll find out the real samsung. even the mother of all mobile thieves is being ripped off.

29. Ronny666

Posts: 128; Member since: Jun 08, 2013

only 13 comments so far? No bashers? LOL!

33. ihatesmartphone unregistered

They are speechless....

28. R-vjn

Posts: 301; Member since: Jan 07, 2013

Well, samsung always have scored high on benchmarks especially with thieir EXYNOS chips but failed to deliver in real world performance. They really know that most of the sites still compare the performance of phones based upon stupid benchmarks. The Nexus 4, especially with the 4.3 is the smoothest android phone I've ever used but just check the benchmark and will see the difference between the scores and real world performance.

55. cheetah2k

Posts: 2354; Member since: Jan 16, 2011

Huh? I have both devices and IMO the Exynos version much smoother in real world performance - especially in the games department. I'm guessing you've never even used the Exynos i9500... And as for the Nexus 4 being the smoothest android phone you've ever used, its totaly clear you've not even touched the S4...

60. R-vjn

Posts: 301; Member since: Jan 07, 2013

haha, you are free to check my youtube videos..

61. R-vjn

Posts: 301; Member since: Jan 07, 2013

also i don't really understand why you have to be so rude on your reply on my comment..gosh, clearly explains that you are a sammy fan. I'm just pointing out the truth my friend..and I've used the S4 with Exynos. Well, my youtube videos are the only way by which I could make you know that I've been using both, though Nexus 4 is my day-2-day driver. (http://youtu.be/Imq6uW_MOYYhttp://youtu.be/cuIlhqIKvHw )

21. Samsungadroidrules

Posts: 104; Member since: Jul 28, 2013

Anandtech probably were paid by Apple. Lol. Or maybe, they are iFans and bored with their iPhones as there is also no great news coming about Apple. Lol. Anyways, Great Job Samsung, You nailed it. Don't worry, Millions of Loyal Samsung consumers won't believe these issues made by your stupid competitors to put you guys down. Loving my Samsung GS4 Black Mist! :)

26. number29

Posts: 185; Member since: Jan 25, 2013

Yikes, talk about being under the thumb!

51. Taters

Posts: 6474; Member since: Jan 28, 2013

Anandtech is extremely biased against Samsung. It is pretty obvious that all the benchmarks they choose to champion are either gpu or browser based. Those are the only two categories Apple doesn't look bad. The iPhone with chrome has terrible benchmarks even but they just leave it out and only benchmark with safari vs. Slow as chrome on android. Which is kind of backwards especially when chrome is on both operating systems which would make for a more fair comparison.

17. ryq24

Posts: 877; Member since: Oct 17, 2011

After caught hiring people to bash others on the net and now this! I wonder what else samsung is doing at its dirty tricks department!

22. Samsungadroidrules

Posts: 104; Member since: Jul 28, 2013

Oh Really? Any proof that Samsung did that? Haha You jealous Hater, just go on and use your boring crap iPhone. haha

23. xperiaDROID

Posts: 5629; Member since: Mar 08, 2013

I can assume that you're a newbie here. You sir, being a Samsung lover, didn't know that your beloved company had a dirty history?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22166606

41. Shatter

Posts: 2036; Member since: May 29, 2013

Every company does this. Theres a reason when you run custom roms the developers can boost benchmarks scores way above what they should be. There are other devs that get rid of the built in benchmark faking so people think the custom roms suck.

14. darkkjedii

Posts: 31816; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

Samsung, IF you're guilty of this...shame on you. Samsung makes a great line of devices, no need to tamper. Think of all the butthurt Sammites that are in mom's basement crying rite now, as they run quadrant standards and geek bench with tears, sadness, and distrust. In other news Jeter homers on the first pitch he sees.

20. umadden

Posts: 90; Member since: Apr 14, 2013

Seems like you're the one who's buttmad and raging on PA from your mom's basement.

27. darkkjedii

Posts: 31816; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

Nope I love Samsung, and tech period. Also I have my own home, left moms a long time ago. My love for tech is why I said "If". Looks like I hit a nerve dude.

30. fanboy1974

Posts: 1345; Member since: Nov 12, 2011

"IF you're guilty...shame on you" Guess this article was not enough. These devices do not have the same power luxuries or thermal headroom such as desktop computers or laptops. All Samsung is doing is intelligent monitoring/throttling to conserve power and limit heat in a portable device. Sure you can keep the GPU at 533mhz but the phone will always be hot and your battery will suffer. More customers are going to notice a hot device compared to a 3 frame per second drop in angry birds. If it really bothers people then you can clock the cpu/gpu until your hands cook with a different kernel.

11. _Bone_

Posts: 2155; Member since: Oct 29, 2012

Benchmarking IS performance boosting, rarely if ever there are situations - gaming including - when CPU and GPU is constantly hitting 100%. What Samsung does is allowing certain short burst apps to use a "turbo clock", but for heat, throttling and battery reasons they have a maximum policy for long-period high-demand stuff like games. It's for the better good. Benchmarking never told the real-life story only MAXIMUM capabilities, and simply put, 533MHz on the PowerVR GPU is the maximum, so benchmark readings are REAL. No drama folks, it's all about optimizations and it's better to have more consistent performance at a lower clock than constant slowdowns due to extra heat and throttling. Samsung is actually doing the customer a favor.

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