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New Snapdragon 835 benchmark results show up, fail to impress

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New Snapdragon 835 benchmark results show up, fail to impress
Qualcomm's upcoming Snapdragon 835 processor is the one expected to power the majority of high-end mobile devices throughout 2017. New information and benchmark results of the product periodically surfaces online as the chipset is being prepared for delivery in the first quarter of 2017.

The latest information breadcrumb arrives just a week or so before Qualcomm gives the Snapdragon 835 a longer introduction at CES 2017. It's a GeekBench result showing the processor driving a test smartphone called the Essential FIH-PM1. The octa-core CPU is clocked to 1.9GHz and comes paired with 4GB of RAM and runs Android 7.0 Nougat.

The single-core result shows 1844 points, while the multi-score result is 5426 points. The score doesn't come across as incredibly impressive, as the current-generation Snapdragon 821 already hits close to it in recent smartphones such as the OnePlus 3T, and Huawei's Kirin 960 chip actually surpasses the Snapdragon 835 by racking up 1949 points in single-core and 6439 points in multi-core tests.

It's possible that the test device is somehow performance-restricted and doesn't showcase the processor's full potential. We've already seen the Snapdragon 835 surpass powerful chips such as the Apple A10 in the AnTuTu benchmark, so we expect bigger numbers out of it as the processor makes its way to flagship devices by LG, HTC, Sony, OnePlus, and other brands.

New Snapdragon 835 benchmark results show up, fail to impress


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posted on 28 Dec 2016, 21:48 15

1. Ticklemyfancy (Posts: 207; Member since: 09 Oct 2016)


Benchmarks don't tell the whole story.

posted on 28 Dec 2016, 22:19 7

11. sgodsell (Posts: 4896; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)


Geekbench is the worst test. Because it's not accurate at all. Just look at the multi-core benchmark is roughly the same as the quad core SD 820 which has only 4 cores compared to the SD 835 octa core. This gives a good indication of how useless Geekbench really is. Also the new SD 835 supports the new LPDDR4X ram at a maximum clock rate of 2400 MHz, and up to 8k displays at 60 fps. Now why would this new SD 835 support 2.4 GHz ram if it's clock rate is set to a maximum of 1.9 GHz.

Think about that one Phonearena.

posted on 29 Dec 2016, 00:11 2

32. Chuck007 (Posts: 1307; Member since: 02 Mar 2014)


^From what I've seen on Phonearena these past 3 years it seems Geekbench can be easily manipulated to falsely claim how fast a smartphone is.

posted on 29 Dec 2016, 01:00 3

33. vincelongman (Posts: 5081; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Geekbench 4 is actually good
Its far better than Antutu and those JavaScript benchmarks
It has some huge improvements from 3
e.g.
Cryptography tests no longer included in the Integer subsection
Memory is own its own subsection and is weighted lower

That being said, the app still has major issues with reporting
e.g.
It only reads core 0 for clockrates
And it can be fooled by editing the build.prop

This one's singe perf is lower than the 821
So its either:
1. a 835 engineering sample with lower clocks
2. a 8890 with edited build.prop

posted on 29 Dec 2016, 06:14 1

42. ph00ny (Posts: 1518; Member since: 26 May 2011)


Javascript benches are the worst since they're so browser dependent

posted on 29 Dec 2016, 08:55

44. sgodsell (Posts: 4896; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)


Vincelongman this test was done with Geekbench 4. Just look at the image. Geekbench at any version is a useless piece of crap. It has been proven in the past that what ever Geekbench spits out cannot be trusted, period.

Like I said before, it's the worst test.

posted on 29 Dec 2016, 01:27 1

35. piyath (Posts: 1050; Member since: 23 Mar 2012)


Antutu has a history of colluding with Android OEMs to biasely show high scores. I can remember such times. But Geekbench is 100% legit from the beginning. No fishy behavior what so ever.

posted on 29 Dec 2016, 09:19

47. sgodsell (Posts: 4896; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)


Wow, you are clueless. I can run a few apps in the background, and then I can get different results from Geekbench. I will get different scores. Therefore Geekbench is NOT 100% legit. It's a ridiculous benchmarking test.

posted on 30 Dec 2016, 00:41

52. Trex95 (Posts: 1124; Member since: 03 Mar 2013)


If Geekbench the worst then how SD 821 on one plus 3T got 1880 singlecore and mate 9 Kirn 950 1900 in singlecore?!!!

posted on 28 Dec 2016, 22:26 7

13. Finalflash (Posts: 3535; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)


Doesn't matter, the processor is one of the most useless things in any computer now. Aside from the different weighting of results towards single cores now in antutu and gfx bench, CPUs are meh for real world performance. The main high end component is the gpu. All the heavy lifting is done by the gpus now. CPUs are barely maxed out unless someone is sitting around compressing files all day or something stupid.

Honestly, they only need to do two things with the cpu which is to make it efficient as hell and allow refined power controls. If they had half the power but twice the clock ramp speed or ability to shut down full cores, they'd be 100x more useful.

posted on 29 Dec 2016, 01:16

34. vincelongman (Posts: 5081; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


Agreed, GPU and efficiency improvements are more important these days
Especially efficiency, that's easily by far the important thing now

BTW GFXBench 3.1 tests graphics performance
Its favourable to single core because of the scaling issues with OpenGL ES
OpenGL ES is based of OpenGL which was originally designed for older GPU/CPUs (back when CPUs were 1 single core)

GFXBench 5's Aztec Ruins will be Vulkan
https://gfxbench.com/news_single.jsp?id=31133884
Aztec Ruins won't be favourable to single core because Vulkan doesn't have the scaling issues of OpenGL ES

posted on 29 Dec 2016, 09:06

46. sgodsell (Posts: 4896; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)


Clearly you do not know what you are talking about. The processor does matter. The GPU is import as well. But it's the CPU that tells the GPU what to do, and how to do it. You are forgetting or don't know that the latest Android Nougat has Vulkan graphics support, which by the way now supports multi-threading. In some cases Vulkan has seen upwards of 300% speed increase over openGL. In any case the CPU is still a critical piece of any computer.

posted on 28 Dec 2016, 22:49 1

19. torr310 (Posts: 1086; Member since: 27 Oct 2011)


Bes bets in2017 are on A11, Exynos, and Kirin.

posted on 28 Dec 2016, 23:02

22. Loveneesh (Posts: 210; Member since: 14 Jul 2015)


It's photoshoped just see the image carefully.

posted on 28 Dec 2016, 23:05 3

23. combatmedic870 (Posts: 933; Member since: 02 Sep 2015)


The 835 should be clocked around 2.8-3ghz. I'm sure that will make a big difference. He'll even the small cores will be around 2.4ghz.

posted on 28 Dec 2016, 23:45 1

31. Arch_Fiend (Posts: 3371; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)


IKR and who gives a damn about CPU power anyway, 5k is more than enough, I just want the SD835 to be much more energy efficient than 820 and have a powerful GPU that is also fairly efferent.

posted on 29 Dec 2016, 15:32

50. DGxumbreo7 (Posts: 63; Member since: 27 Nov 2016)


best way ive seen a test run is by opening a list of maybe 10+ apps on 2 different phones at the same time then without stopping reopen them all a second time. shows how fast a device can multitask and how much it keeps in memory before closing

posted on 28 Dec 2016, 21:51 4

2. kiko007 (Posts: 5436; Member since: 17 Feb 2016)


Not bad. Not great either.....solid overall. I don't put much stock into benchmarks (especially of the "leaked" variety) but they've managed a nice step up in performance allegedly. Not like it matters anyhow...... phones are probably as fast as humans can distinguish (or care enough to try to anyway).

posted on 28 Dec 2016, 22:17

10. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 14611; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


Oh but if this was the A11...youd be saying this is BS and what the hell is wrong with PA.

posted on 28 Dec 2016, 22:50 5

20. kiko007 (Posts: 5436; Member since: 17 Feb 2016)


*you'd

And no, I wouldn't, because unlike a certain "expert" I don't give a s**t. Let's be real here, did you honestly expect this chip to be best in class? When was the last time QC had a "best in class" chip? 2010? Besides, its all speculation at this point.

Objectively speaking, the fact that they can even maintain comparable numbers to the A10 is rather impressive, considering how Qualcomm is the AMD of mobile processing. Be optimistic bruh......

posted on 28 Dec 2016, 21:54

3. baldilocks (Posts: 831; Member since: 14 Dec 2008)


Don't impress compared to?????

posted on 28 Dec 2016, 22:09 4

6. Tyrion_Lannister (unregistered)


The real 835, or even the current 8890. Heck, the single core is less than even the A9 from 2015.

Then again, this is clocked much lower. Expect about 40% higher performance in the real thing.

posted on 28 Dec 2016, 22:20 4

12. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 14611; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


Why do people even tall about single core scored, when these chips are running multi-tgreaded apps and operating systems?

If you had an 8 cylinder car, would you ever tall about one of them alone?

Sometimes I wonder if you all are really fans of tech.

posted on 28 Dec 2016, 22:32 2

16. CreeDiddy (Posts: 957; Member since: 04 Nov 2011)


Because many apps run in single tasks and instructions. Opening apps and doing basic functions requires the use single cores. That is why many Android phones get crushed against the iPhone on opening and closing of apps.

posted on 28 Dec 2016, 23:05 6

24. MrElectrifyer (banned) (Posts: 3960; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)


"That is why many Android phones get crushed against the iPhone on opening and closing of apps."

Lol, that's due mainly to the iPhone's NVME storage, barely to do with single core performance. The OnePlus 3T with SD821 scores similarly in single core ( https://youtu.be/6m2UiHABHzo ), yet with its NVME storage, performs similar (if not better) than the iPhone ( https://youtu.be/mcTAXsFHu5I ).

posted on 28 Dec 2016, 23:17 1

29. MrElectrifyer (banned) (Posts: 3960; Member since: 21 Oct 2014)


*Faster storage system ( https://goo.gl/pwFwGD ), not NVME in the OnePlus 3T.

posted on 29 Dec 2016, 01:45 3

37. Tyrion_Lannister (unregistered)


It's a different file system, not storage system. Storage is hardware, file system is software.

posted on 29 Dec 2016, 01:43 1

36. Tyrion_Lannister (unregistered)


Not all tasks can utilise multiple threads. And even if they can, it's not 100% efficient due to inter-thread communication, locks, waiting for threads to finish and so on.

The 835 is an octa core chip. Yet the multi thread score is barely 3x the single core score. This is because it doesn't scale well. Also most of the tasks you do are single threaded.

If every task can be scaled, we wouldn't even have CPUs. GPUs will be used to run your OS. So stop drinking the android fanboy koolaid and come to the real world.

There's a reason almost no ultrabook uses quad core processor and almost all of them use dual core. That's because almost no task you are going to run is going to benefit much from the extra cores

More cores are helpful in heavy compilations, editing and simulations. Though you do none of them on your phone.

Octa core processors are for saving power in background tasks and browsing, not for more speed. Speed will still be dependent on single threaded performance for the foreseeable future.

posted on 29 Dec 2016, 11:24 1

49. Back_from_beyond (Posts: 132; Member since: 04 Sep 2015)


To me it all reads more like it's the Snapdragon 653, not the 835 but maybe its just me.

posted on 28 Dec 2016, 21:57

4. HugoBarraCyanogenmod (Posts: 1357; Member since: 06 Jul 2014)


That's how you get when there's no competition among chip makers. Qualcomm is technically a monopoly so take it or leave it

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