Apple seeks $380 million from Samsung for patent infringements

Apple seeks $380 million from Samsung for patent infringements
The re-trial between Samsung and Apple is underway. A jury has been picked and now we can begin marking time through the holidays as a new drama unfolds between the two technology giants.

Apple is seeking to get $380 million from Samsung and Samsung is going to make the case that it should have to pay no more than $53 million. You can see the soap opera building already, right?

The $1.05 billion that Apple had been awarded by a jury last year was slashed by Judge Koh to the tune of about $450 million, leaving just under $600 million from the verdict intact. Whatever comes from this go-around, if Apple prevails, the awards from this trial will be in addition to the check that Samsung is already on the hook for.

Apple claims that some of the $380 million sought in the case is due to lost profits, based on the claim that the company might have sold as many as an additional 360,000 more devices if Samsung had played by the rules.

Of course, the lawyers on both sides of the argument feel that their opponents are woefully in the wrong. Apple contends that Samsung made billions off of equipment that infringed on Apple’s patents. Samsung says that Apple is simply asking for too much money.

The first day’s drama saw four witnesses take the stand on behalf of Apple. The festivities will continue tomorrow.

source: Ars Technica



1. mercorp

Posts: 1045; Member since: Jan 28, 2012

Then let the sparring commence.Fanboy wars commencing too.. But how about the 5%? (Sony,HTC,LG etc?)

2. DaHarder

Posts: 177; Member since: Oct 10, 2009

God Luck With that... and with Apple successfully proving that Samsung (or any other company) caused them to lose any notable amount of 'lost profits'. Enough with all this 'they copied us' hypocrisy... How Ya' Like Them Apples!

5. cc3493

Posts: 158; Member since: Jul 06, 2013

Seriously? Do you really need to say that mercorp? Its people like you who fire the wars anyways and i would even go as far to say you help start them. -1 for you >:|

10. Damitel

Posts: 66; Member since: Apr 21, 2013

"Samsung says that Apple is simply asking for too much money", could it be that Samsung truly copied Apples? Anyway, from what I have seen so far, these companies copy each other. Samsumg disguisingly admitted they copied shows a bit of sincerity and humility, Apples at the other hand is SAINT, STAINLESS, SINLESS and above all A BULLY!

11. h3nryvn

Posts: 25; Member since: Oct 29, 2013

its about patent dude. infringement of patent will have a big damage to the company. as it states that samsung wanna only pay 54 million where apple asks more. it is considerable. other than u have to pay patent infringement, according to the law, you should also pay the damage because of samsung act. however, samsung don want agree with that. they know they are wrong by having patent infringement and produce alot of device by using the patent. however, they don want pay for it. so what u think

13. ardent1

Posts: 2000; Member since: Apr 16, 2011

First, Apple is the victim since they has shown the court(s) they were harmed by Samsung. Second, Samsung doesn't have the right to decide what little penalty they can get away with. Samsung knew they were harming Apple, and it's time for Samsung to man-up to their actions. If you recall, Apple approached Samsung and Apple even offered access to lower-level patents if Samsung would stop stealing Apple's IP. Samsung being the arrogant prick thumbed their nose at Apple. After numerous attempts to work out a deal, Apple had no choice but to sue Samsung. Even Judge Koh ordered the two sides to work out their differences -- Samsung only continued their incorrigible behavior. Before jury deliberation, Judge Koh again asked Samsung if they wanted to settle and Samsung told Apple to take a long walk on a short pier. After the jury verdict, Samsung being the biggest prick on the planet and sore loser went after the jury foreman. Enough is enough. All Samsung does is p*ss on the American way of life. Samsung doesn't get it -- we Americans have strong property rights and damn it if some Korean company think they can steal from an American company and can get away with. If Samsung could steal from Apple today, they WILL steal from Google or another American company tomorrow.

14. Joulukas

Posts: 115; Member since: Jun 05, 2013

Apple is known to "borrow" ideas from competitors. S. Jobs openly said that geniuses steal from others - and now come here and bash somebody else for doing the same thing, and your only arguement is that 1 is US and ohter is Korean company! You Americans have idiotic property rights, that endorce patent trolls and stupid court fights, which is actually slowing any kind of progression in the industry. The hate for Samsung is "IN" this season yet again and reason is rarely in those discussions.

17. vincelongman

Posts: 5724; Member since: Feb 10, 2013

Yea, Apple tried to sue Samsung in many other countries, such as the UK, Germany, Australia, France,... They lost in every other country outside the US. The UK court even order them to post on their site that Samsung didn't copy them.

23. Tomfromsouth

Posts: 88; Member since: Apr 02, 2012

Interesting you should pull the "American card". The Rockstar (apple amongst others) patent consortium was purchased almost entirely to control to the smartphone market. None of patents were developed by Apple and were purchased for litigation and market control purposes. It is the very definition of patent troll. Apple are the crux and cause of this bull. And the best part - "your american" company - Apple is going after another American company - Google. It's unethical business practise and doesn't serve the customer - and your beloved apple is at the core (ha ha) of trying become a monopolist in the smartphone market, it just lines the shareholders pockets and prevents innovation. The American government needs to get an injunction to prevent these patent trolls forming. These cases remind how full of it apple is. Ironically they are the largest thieves cos they stole their graphical interface from Xerox and had the arrogance to have a go at windows when they did the same thing.

26. willard12 unregistered

Wouldn't stealing make Samsung a great artist according to Apple? Secondly, didn't Apple steal everything they are suing over? Which one of the patents in Apple's IP is an Apple invention? If thse aren't Apple inventions, then they are prior art and should be invalidated...and many of them have been. The last jury foreman, who patented TIVO, told the juy "don't worry about prior art."

25. Pancholo

Posts: 380; Member since: Feb 27, 2012

According to some of the logics of these posters, I could sue every human being for harming my financial income and opportunities!

3. PBXtech

Posts: 1032; Member since: Oct 21, 2013

Apple needs more than that to function annually and Samsung isn't going bankrupt if they have to pay it. The phones in question are so old few really care any longer. Samsung has a massive amount of attention from this case which caused their phone sales to soar, and Apple is painted in a bad light, it's hard to be a victim when you make the most in the mobile arena. Android market share continues to increase so the lawsuits aren't working to stop that either. But the fanboy wars are interesting, so we at least have that.

4. woodshop20

Posts: 459; Member since: Sep 14, 2013

This has gone on for so long I've forgotten what patents Apple are suing for. Is this case still about the slide to unlock and 4-rounded-corner design? What a waste of taxpayer money.

8. willard12 unregistered

I hope not. The Droid Charge is on the list and it has 5 rounded corners.

6. LordCaedus

Posts: 85; Member since: Nov 01, 2013

How does Apple know that they would have sold an addtional 360,000 units? Not saying Samsung is not in the wrong but come on. I can throw out random numbers too. I myself would never have bought an iPhone.

7. itsdeepak4u2000

Posts: 3718; Member since: Nov 03, 2012

Apple is getting profits and earning $$s from other companies.

9. JMartin22

Posts: 2372; Member since: Apr 30, 2013

The problem with people in these courts and the USPTO is that they're all technologically illiterate and they don't even really comprehend the decisions they're making when they give this tech corporation such vague permissions and rights.

12. Sire3008

Posts: 87; Member since: Sep 26, 2013

Apple should stop crying wolf already. No company can survive without emulating others!! They all copy! It was somebody that generated d idea of a Phone, calendar in a phone, sending messages using a phone instead letters, Bluetooth in a phone etc..... U don't see them suing all the phone OEMs... Somebody introduced the concept of touchscreen devices... They didn't sue Apple for Multitouch. Its utterly ridiculous suing for rounded corner, slide to unlock and all other insignificant concepts.. This shows that Apple is really afraid of being obsolete and they think samsung may fuel the speed of their demise.

15. Joulukas

Posts: 115; Member since: Jun 05, 2013

I am going to agree with this comment all the way!

20. JMartin22

Posts: 2372; Member since: Apr 30, 2013

Good job, +1 for you. Apple obviously is menial with their egos and their bloodlust to procure a profit by any underhanded means to the competition they can take. As harsh as that sounds, their actions speak louder than my words.

16. TechCrazyedBoy

Posts: 129; Member since: Nov 12, 2013

Another war between crappy companies... Can this so-called patent wars end???

18. _Bone_

Posts: 2155; Member since: Oct 29, 2012

Crappy cause you can't buy their great products or crappy cause you jumped on the latest bandwagon.

19. neurobiologist

Posts: 89; Member since: Nov 07, 2012

Have fun samsung, stomp them to death. If anything, can always use veto. Anyway only americans in their fancy world of santa and god does care about what fcking aple does.

21. spectrums

Posts: 127; Member since: Nov 14, 2013

Apple You Debt Collector :)

22. darkkjedii

Posts: 31313; Member since: Feb 05, 2011

Get that money apple, Sammy's been spank em.

24. speckledapple

Posts: 902; Member since: Sep 29, 2011

Are they serious? Apple figures they would have sold x amount of more devices and put that on Samsung?I understand they must come up with a number but that is saying plenty.

27. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

"The $1.05 billion that Apple had been awarded by a jury last year was slashed by Judge Koh to the tune of about $450 million, leaving just under $600 million from the verdict intact." I cant believe I missed this lil nugget of Wow. Hate to say we told you so....cuz many of us said Apple was not going to see anywhere near 1 billion...

28. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

"Apple claims that some of the $380 million sought in the case is due to lost profits, based on the claim that the company might have sold as many as an additional 360,000 more devices if Samsung had played by the rules." So now Apple can tell the future huh..... Samsung has sold millions of Galaxy phones since 2010...many that some claim are iPhone copies. I am glad Apple isnt too arrogant and only think 360,000 iPhone didnt get sold because of Samsung. Still.....Apple can tell the future now huh. Okaaaay... All those hating on Samsung...please look up Meizu phones and come back and tell us who the real iPhone copy cat is. Wild thing is....Apple sued them too...and flat out lost. Sammy needs to get their lawyers or the judge from that case. Those Meizu phones still sell and still look alot like iPhones.....

29. PBXtech

Posts: 1032; Member since: Oct 21, 2013

In what country did Apple sue Meizu? They've lost this same case in numerous countries but almost always come out smelling like a rose in their back yard. Another question that comes to mind is how often does Apple have supply shortages? It seems strange they claim to have missed selling a huge amount of phones when their production & supply chains can't keep up with what they are selling.

30. jroc74

Posts: 6023; Member since: Dec 30, 2010

Yea they lost it in another country. Its wild tho because the Meizu phones lot alot more like iPhones than anything Samsung has done.

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