iOS 9 adoption stuck at 77%
1. HugoBarraCyanogenmod (limited) (Posts: 1133; Member since: 06 Jul 2014)
Waiting akosikuting to rant this article and defend Apple
16. Unordinary (Posts: 1692; Member since: 04 Nov 2015)
What's to rant about haha? 77%. Meanwhile Androids most recent has like what? Below 10% lmfao??????
22. iushnt (Posts: 1687; Member since: 06 Feb 2013)
that below 10% would probably be more than iPhones with iOS 9 in numbers.
24. Nopers (Posts: 236; Member since: 01 Jun 2015)
You think? iOS has an adoption rate of about 25x (marshmallow hit 1.2% beginning of February so estimating 3%) more than android... So what you're saying is that there are 25 android devices out there for every 1 iPhone because using that maths, there are ~75 million iPhone 6/plus out there, multiply that by 25 and you get about 1.8 billion. Android updates are a joke, still.
31. arman9953 (Posts: 19; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
fact is that more than 99% of Android devices are on the newest patch of Google Play Servieces which makes them secure compared to the 23% left with IOS8 and below...
33. Nopers (Posts: 236; Member since: 01 Jun 2015)
Not exactly though... stagefreight took a long time to fix, some devices aren't even patched from that. It's a little bit more complicated than just updating Google Play Services.
52. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
How old is iOS9 vs Android 6.0?
Android has 1.2Billion users. If just one 1/3 are on Lollipop as an example, that woudl be 50% of all of iOS users combined. lol
53. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
Android updates are a joke? Really. Well lets compare. A Android phone running KiKat liek the Galaxy S3 which wont get an official Lollipop update, still does more out the box vs the iPhone 6.
Even though Android updates take longer, they have less issues. Most of us are waiting for carriers, not Google. So that makes what you guys keep saying stupid.
There are 3 iOS9 release and 2 of them is because the one ahead of it was broken. You cant say the same for Android.
Also, any Android phoen repaired by a 3rd party, wont break when upgarded to ANY version of Android.
Oh and with exception of Verizon phones, if I upgarde and it causes and issue, I can downgrade to any official firmware.
The present iPhone ith 50 updates will still do less than any Android phone, even one on kitkat. The present iPhone will only be faster and take better pictures than both my S3 and S4. Considering the S4 has the a 13MP camera ., I woudl say Android still has the upper hand.
Again, because iFans have the least amount of ammo to argue with, they argue the most ignorant things.
WE GET FASTER UPDATES!!! Yet you do, but its because Apple breaks more things than it fixes and because a present iPhone still does less than most Android phones release 4 years ago.
Other than force touch the S4 I have still does more than the iPhone 6S including take equally good photos.
Here I compared 3 phone. S4, iPhone 6 and 6S. The S4 had a 13MP camera 2 years ago. Same aperture at 2.2. The iPhone latets model simply is a few MM smaller.
The S4 has a larger screen, yet the S4 is still smaller than both iPhoen 6 models. A lot about all 3 ard do identical.
So the latest iPhones are not 2012 models, more like 2013.
But you're only braggiong about software updates? My gaalxy S4 with Android 5.01 still can do more. I don't need force touch. yet I have a higher resolution display, higher resolution camera on the rear, smaller build, better screen to bezel aspect racial.
Apple is so clumsy with design, they can even meet the same measurements at the S4. The S4 even support QI wireless charging. No iPhone at all does. Only requires you to change the back cover.
Even betetr the S4 has a 2600Mah battery which means it will last longer than any of the iPhone models.
But you're happy about software updates? Why can't Apple update their latest phone to be a lot better than a 2 year old phone? Should a $649 phone have much better hardware than one released 2 years ago that I can now buy for brand new less than $300?
21. cheetah2k (Posts: 1576; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)
The adoption rate stall isn't surprising, considering iOS9 cripples many of the older generation ipads and iphones.. LOL
47. AlikMalix (Posts: 5836; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
People are spooked by experiences they encounters with early iOS 8 versions. They probably don't trust that iOS 9 is actually better - my iPad 3 is very good with iOS 9, and noticeably better than iOS8, for example, and that's an old device.
4. dmomintz (Posts: 20; Member since: 21 Jan 2016)
Lol because the other 25% have no idea what their appstore password is and haven't downloaded an app in years. (aka my dad)
5. flipjzn (Posts: 256; Member since: 22 Jun 2012)
A lot of us are waiting for jailbreak for ios 9.0.2 UP. That's why some are still on either than jailbroken OS or ealier ios 8 jailbroken version.
23. tedkord (Posts: 11629; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Yes, Apple fans never do that. Nope. Android articles are clean an orderly.
56. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
Until the "haters" come...lol
7. tyson3 (Posts: 49; Member since: 15 May 2012)
What is the percentage of androids running marshmallow??? And by the time they get it then the next update will be coming out.
25. tedkord (Posts: 11629; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Even on lollipop, they're ahead of the game.
28. Nopers (Posts: 236; Member since: 01 Jun 2015)
Early Feb it was 1.2%. I'd say probably ~3% now.
12. yoosufmuneer (Posts: 1498; Member since: 14 Feb 2015)
They have a lot of factors which contribute to the rapid adoption of new iOS versions. But if they aren't perfect in that area they shouldn't troll the competitors aka Android. Apple reveals their figures tacticly,the author is correct they should reveal how many are in iOS 9.2.1.
17. sissy246 (Posts: 994; Member since: 04 Mar 2015)
At least android users actually get some new things added to the phone, not just a couple security fixes.
I am not one that has to have a update asap, when I get it I get it. My awesome note 5 with its awesome S pin is just fine with out.
20. AlikMalix (Posts: 5836; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Let's talk about that:
Marshmallow is adding App Permissions, Doze (background app management), better camera controls, among other things like native fingerprint sensor support -- these are the most important things coming on "m" Hmm, I wonder why Apple doesn't add these things? Ooh, I know... iOS already had this stuff "for years". And by the time "majority" (that's over 51%) get those - it will probably be another two years.
To others, this is a troll reply to the troll post... I don't diss android or its users for the sake of dissing it... But iOS updates, even the 9.x.x ones add features that are going to be replicated on android natively within the following year - like "night shift" for example. just saying - different platforms - different priorities. No reason to be a nasty liar about it, sissy246...
27. Diezparda (Posts: 871; Member since: 23 Oct 2013)
You can't deny the reason Android adoption rate was slow due to heavy customized skin like TW/LG - G ui which carrying much more feature than stock Android. Well in comparison to TW of course newer iOS looks pretty much same (especially if you never own iDevice).
iOS & Android they are closing the gap by copying each other feature.
41. AlikMalix (Posts: 5836; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
I like your post, well said. But you have to also understand that Apple by itself is maintaining the entire ecosystem and building its own full mobile OS and Mac OS watch OS possibly working on making a car OS (lol). Samsung only makes a launcher - with the budget Samsung has - there's no excuse, don't you think? Cyenagenmod with comparison a non-existing budget does a better job at maintaining its launcher than Samsung with touch wiz. Same for LG. Google also has enough power to influence the carriers (the plaugue that is damagin android every time), but for some reason carriers do whatever the hell they want to your phone and no one has any say in it.
Disclaimer - I like samsungs/android features, I don't think it's laggy anymore and the S-pen in note 4 is extremely great feature and I want it on iOS. In the past I wanted always listening Siri (when motox introduced "ok Google" and I like control center (toggle widget on android). So there...
29. tedkord (Posts: 11629; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
But, for the last several years, it's been much more in the opposite direction - Apple has done more "adopting" than Android. They both take ideas from one another, that's how tech advances. Almost nothing is created out of a vacuum.
The reason Apple takes so much guff about it is their attitude about the whole world stealing from them. When you claim that everyone copies you, that you're the "designer" to the world, then you deserve what you get when you're actually stealing most of what you put out.
32. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
I think the anti-Apple internet does an excellent job at emphasizing the areas where Apple "borrows" from Android and devaluing all the areas where Apple has lead. I'd actually argue that the first couple of years Android did most of the adopting (it's easy to forget how groundbreaking/fundamental were things like mobile Safari, accelerometer, gyroscope, light/proximity sensors, multitouch, APP STORE, etc. etc. etc.)
You're right that Apple can come off as overly snooty with their "designer to the world" attitude, but I don't think it's entirely undeserved. They pretty much (as a freshman) single-handedly changed the game with the iPhone. And most importantly, there's a HUGE difference between copying important/necessary features VS. mimicry/imitation in attempts to visually resemble an iPhone to both distract and attract customers.
38. tedkord (Posts: 11629; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
The pro Apple internet does an even better job. Check out BGR today. An article about Samsung coming out with 256gb UFS2 storage for smartphones is framed entirely in a story about how your next iPhone might have 256gb storage. A story about Samsung innovation, in tech that Apple had never used, became about the next iPhone.
And, no, it's not deserved. The design language of the iPhone was the direction these devices were headed, as evidenced by the LG Prada and the Samsung F700, which came out at the same time. That's not to say Apple doesn't deserve some credit, but nowhere near the level they claim.
44. AlikMalix (Posts: 5836; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Lg Prada introduced a touch screen - that's it!!! Nothing else... That's why it failed and took years for other
45. tedkord (Posts: 11629; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
No, it introduced the same general form factor as the iPhone, before the iPhone. It's not about falling, it's about the fact that the rectangle dominated by a touchscreen was where these devices were going, iPhone or not. The evidence is there, whether you want to see it or not.
48. AlikMalix (Posts: 5836; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Well if that's your argument, then Apple Newton, predates anything with a touch screen on a rectangle. And I can make the same argument for stylus on note series. That's not the point is it? And on top of that it predates the release date - but from end result a month later iPhone came out - and that was so, so much better product - I don't know about you, but that tells me that Apple has been working on their iPhone for much longer and with more resources than LG with their Prada. Seems more like a rush to be first - just like that Chinese phone that introduced a half baked forcetouch feature that doesn't do much vs apples implementation that's used throughout for various things on iOS, and among most of my apps now in one form or the other (I especially like it as a feature to fire with different weapons in games - instead of switching or using zoom manually).
Disclaimer: I don't believe Apple inveneted everything and influenced all that makes the current smartphones great. I think Samsung singlehandedly made phablets and android was pushing bigger screens that are the norm now. But ignoring so much of apples contributions today - is just being in denial.
60. tedkord (Posts: 11629; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
The Newton looks nothing like modern smartphones. Herp derp logic.
63. E.N. (Posts: 2610; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
You're comparing the general "direction" of the mobile industry versus what Apple actually DID and accomplished. For years all they could create were LG Pradas, LG Voyagers, LG Dares, and Samsung Instincts meanwhile Apple was spitting out iPhones. They may have been moving in a some "direction", but they definitely got lost along the way. All these companies jumped aboard the Android train as a last resort because they were failing miserably.
As for the article on BGR, I haven't read it but I'm sure it's an excellent article. Last time I checked the S7 and S7 edge are launching with only 32gb storage in many major markets. I think the Note 4 only went up to 64gb. If any phone is most likely to get a 256gb option, which phone do you think it would be?
64. tedkord (Posts: 11629; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
I'm saying that Apple didn't come up with the iPhone in a vacuum. They built it in the foundation laid by others, and things were going this way all along.
I think it's likely that the company that actually innovates these things is most likely to come out with it first. And, there are no excellent articles on BGR. Only shill pieces.
59. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
Just FYI, phones before the iPhoen didnt need light sensors and proximity sensors and gyros.
A gyro is a leveling/balancing concept. The only reason smartphones have them is because the UI rotates. With a gyro, yoru screen woudlnt knwo how to turn the right way when you turn yoru phoen around.
That isn't innovation. Apple also wasnt the first to have that in their phone. After all smartphones existed from other brands long before Apple made one.
App Store? The only reason Apple has one is because the jailbreakers made it that way when they cracked the OS and made it allow 3rd party app installs.
Blackberry had an app store for years and lots of 3rd party app store support too. So did Nokia. How is that an argument.
Apple simply popularize many things other did because Appel chose to market those concept where other platforms didnt. Blackberry didnt need to market their app store because it provide only a benefit to Blackberry users and the Blackberry wasn't a consumer oriented platform. It was all business. Even though Microsoft didnt have an app store, there were Windows Mobile app stores online to buy an download apps. Again being a business oriented platform they didnt advertise it.
Apple had to advertise the app store because the iPhone is a consumer based product. if you want consumers to use it, you have to advertise it.
If you look at smartphone evolution you can see displays were already big. PDA devices were full display with multi-touch capability with a stylus and fingers in some cases. Apple didn't invent the multi-touch display panel. They found an OEM who had the tech pre-licensed and available in their display and they shoved it into the iPhone.
Other OEM's had to find alternative means to get those if they didnt want to licensed the same tech Apple was using. So Samsung for example, made their own multi-touch.
But claiming that many OEM's dont do something because one rushed to be first is never goign to be a good argument. All these OEM's work with the same vendor. There is no way an OEM can release very many features without another OEM knowing about it. Apple new everyone woudl have 64BIT because they all license from ARM and ARM already announce 64bit rollouts before Apple did. Apple simply rushed to be first so people like you can say the same stupid s**t every year.
No oen is copying the iphone anymore and havent for a few years. Apple was the first to sell phones in lots of colors. They were not the first with a phone made of metal and glass. In fact NOTHING Apple has done is ever specific to them. have you nto learn this.
What they have always deserved credit for is begin an awesome chef who can take the hard work and ingredients of others and use it in their products and make them work very well. But they are all far from perfect as is EVERYONE'S.
43. AlikMalix (Posts: 5836; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Just for the sake of argument, can you link to " Apple claiming that everyone copies them" other than the lawsuit with Samsung about Samsung galaxy ace that looked like iPhone 3GS. Thanks.
If you want I can link to Samsung officially ordering to "copy that iPhone"...
46. tedkord (Posts: 11629; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
What you can link to is a Samsung document where the CEO wants them to look to the iPhone, but specifically says not to copy.
49. AlikMalix (Posts: 5836; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Thank you, and I know about this... It's a bold and a broad statement, every company that has a PR department makes statements like these.
I'm gonna rephrase the question: which features is Apple claiming that android copied that android had before Apple? If you're going to point fingers - it ha to be specific.
PS. To make something look like an iPhone --- means to "copy" an iPhone --- it's the same thing!
61. tedkord (Posts: 11629; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
I used the phrase "designer for the world" (though it was actually developer, not designer). I showed you where they said it. I don't need to be any more specific than the man who made the statement. If you want to move the goalposts, that's not my problem.
65. tedkord (Posts: 11629; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
And, if a phone actually looked an iPhone, you'd have a point. Very few ever have.
And, you're obfuscating the point. It's not about Apple claiming they invented something that Android had first. It's about the hypocrisy of Apple crying about people copying them while they're busy doing the exact same thing.
30. tech2 (Posts: 3455; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)
There's a quite a big difference in app permissions on iOS and that on Android and when did iOS had better camera controls !? As for doze, yes, iOS had it but its implementation is significantly different under the hood. However, fingerprint was something present on iOS.
You're quick to point how android IS GOING to borrow from iOS something in future (apparently) but fail to point what iOS has borrowed in the past and you say you don't like dissing android users.
PS: Why are you calling someone a liar based on a comment in which he doesn't even mention iOS or apple ?
40. AlikMalix (Posts: 5836; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Lack of app permissions is one big reason why I'm staying away from android - I like control over my apps. Due to this problem Facebook got all my contacts whether I wanted it or not - and I'm pissed. Whe I had a Samsung for a brief moment - the damn thing ate up battery while doing nothing. And I'm not a jailbreak/root kind of guy - I'm too busy for that - greneify required root to somewhat have control of what apps were allowed to do in the background. With doze and app permissions android (after all these years) is finally going to make it manageable by my standards.
Look at articles of camera UI differences between lollipop and m, then look at iOS camera UI, then there's the huge gap and iPhone video recording capabilities and quality vs android ones.
I didn't mention that iOS has copied android ideas (and like you said for android - also implemented differently) because there's no reason to school anyone here - everyone knows Apple picks best features from the consortium of all platforms (like the forcetouch scroll on iOS keyboard came from BBs two finger scroll). My main goal was to point out that the person I replied to was a liar - iOS does introduce a lot of features (either copied or their own) with every iOS update - even the 9.x.x update have great features that are significant enough for android to follow. This wasn't at all to point finger at android and say they're copying - it was to point out that iOS adds significant features and proof that theyre significant is that android adds then later.
And I might be a huge Apple fan, but I have never dissed android users - I think it's the most stupid thing that people do here from both sides.. I can imagine that in real life me and techie could probably be good friends - were all fans of tech here - and I could not find an argument like the ones I find here on PA even if I tried - no one in my circle knows much about all the sides as you guys.
51. AlikMalix (Posts: 5836; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Ted, tech2, it was a pleasure debatin with you guys, but it's about the time when PA forums is going to block me (it does it daily several times a day). So if I don't reply, I don't mean no disrespect - I just get blocked for what I understand absolutely no reason just a glitch and a few hours I'll be unblocked again - but not sure when - I'll be at work by then.
68. tech2 (Posts: 3455; Member since: 26 Oct 2012)
Samsung and their Touchwiz in the past have been really awful and after my experience with S3 I thought I might not come back to Samsung but I got to test S6 for almost a month and I had done absolutely everything to make that thing slow down. From installing clunky apps which run in the background to installing more then 130+ apps (including system apps) to filling the storage to the brim but that thing didn't let me down and that's why I am planning to get either S7 Edge or Mi5.
The point I am making is Samsung's Touchwiz has come a long way since S6 and I appreciate Samsung's effort. One must really give credit to Samsung that inspite of being such a giant company they listen to their fans. They gave us a larger battery, MicroSD slot, non-plastic design, etc. all because we demanded.
Anyway, each to their own.
57. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
Samsung phones, already have better camera controls, and fingerprint support. In fact Android already had Fingerprint support seeing that both Samsung and Motorola has phones running Android with Fingerprint Readers.
Come on dude. Google wons Android. Many OEM did things to their phones that Android doesn't natively support.
Android didnt natively support splitscreen, yet Samsung phoens had it sionce the S3. Why does only one iphoen support splitscreen? OH WAIT...NONE OF THEM DO.
Oh and Samsung phones had one-handed mode, with is also NOT SUPPORT NATIVELY in Android. Did it stop it from happening? NOPE. What is Apple's one-handed mode like? GARBAGE even with native support you love 40% of the screen content while on Samsung you retain 100%.
No platform is perfect, Android is stil better. After all, everythign Apple has now, most of that we had first wirth at least one OEM.
So I dont understand your argument.
Guess what, Android doesn't natively support lots of things found on Android phones. How is that an argument.
It fact its Samsung driving Google to bring such native support because Samsung is the leader who's phones offer such without it. Come on man...do better. All of us aren't stupid like most Apple retards.
Theer are many capabilities sported in Windows, that are not native;y supported in the Windows code, yet they exist. yet OSX doesn't at all in comparsion.
But guess what that sint an argument. Its just the very few sips of breathe you can take when trying to defend Apple at every turn.
Anything iOS can do Android does WAYYYYYY better. Whoever Apple always gets a turn being on top. It just never last more than a few weeks at best. Wake up man. Tech changes. It doesn't matter who does it first or best. Because most times Apple does neither.
34. darkkjedii (Posts: 21205; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
77% ain't bad, could be higher though.
35. guest (Posts: 338; Member since: 13 Jun 2012)
Installed iOS 9 on my 5s stuttered and lagged too much so I immediately went back to 8. I will not be upgrading to 9 as the features are not worth the everyday frustration of a laggy device. It took two updates to cripple the iPhone apple is getting better before it was one and done. The A9 should handle 3 before the phone is crippled.
36. miket1737 (Posts: 2541; Member since: 17 Mar 2013)
5s runs very smooth and fine on ios 9 over here. The a7 in the 5s can run ios still just fine with high frame rate still
67. jeroome86 (Posts: 1124; Member since: 12 Apr 2012)
I haven't any issues with ios9. Works great. Lolliflop on the other hand ruin my Nexus 7. Had to root and flash a rom to make it usable. So for me I like Apple updates better. Don't think my Note 3 should stop with lolliflop. Sure it can run Marshmallow just fine.
37. AlikMalix (Posts: 5836; Member since: 16 Jul 2014)
Bull s**t...!!!! I have a 5s running iOS 9 - it's fluid! You switched back to iOS 8, but ios9 is freaken better than iOS 8 and even iOS 8 was smooth (apart from a few visual glitches in early iOS 8 versions).
iOS runs smooth on my 5s. "Stuttered and lagged" my ass...
39. darkkjedii (Posts: 21205; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
You know how some people who don't actually have an iPhone, post that they do, so it looks like they're not trolling, when in fact they are. ^^^^
58. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
Simple question. You do realize that even though you may not be experiencing any lag, that there doesn't mean no one is...right? Please tell me you understand this.
This is one problem I have seen with no many idiots and I didnt say you were one yet, but you are standing on the edge when you make a claim, such as:
iOS runs smooth on my 5s. "Stuttered and lagged" my ass..
With the NUMEROUS reports on Apple's own forum about users with ANY MODEL of the iPhone that supports iOS 8 and 9, they ALL reported lag on those models.
Same with the iPhone 4. Well as you are saying, many people didnt experience drop calls on the iPhone 4, that doesn't mean no one did.
Not everyone who bought an iPhone 6 Plus, had it bend on them, that doesn't mean no ones phone bent and I assure it you was way more than 9 people, considering our shop received bent phones for several months after the phone was released for no other issue other than being bent.
I do experience some lag in my Note 5. Its usually for the same 2 reasons. The keyboard on every galaxy S and Note I have ever used simply gets laggy and this is especially true on the latest models because of the themes.
Also some themes I install tend to make the UI laggy while others don't.
But in general my Note 5 is smooth and clean. But if I mae a claim as you that my phone is 100% without any lag, that woudl make me a liar. So seeing that we know there are iPhones that do lag, that would also make you a liar. Right?
I mean let's stop being a fanboy, mainly YOU and just be honest. Because my request would be, give me your address and let me come to YOUR house and use YOUR phone so I an see
You can make whatever claim you want online, we can't see it. But the fact that I can personally and openly admit my Note 5 does lag at times especially when typing, means I am likely a more honest person than you.
50. TechieXP1969 (limited) (Posts: 10115; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)
The rest of the devices, aren't getting iOS9.
Didn't Apple just say, 50%+ of present owners are using older devices?
The iPhone 4's are going to get iOS9, it would break them.So close to 30% of iPhone overs still have way to old models...like 4S and older...old!
It is imp[possible for them to go any higher than 80% if 20% of your based have a 4 year old device. So basically everyone that can actually get iOS9...have it already.
Apple's own version of their own words..."Fragmentation".
66. jeroome86 (Posts: 1124; Member since: 12 Apr 2012)
There is a troll in here. Who could it be? Someone who criticizes people on Samsung articles bringing up Apple. Now he is here in a Apple article bashing and bringing up Android.