Verizon to require $30 data plans for new smartphones
Verizon has long required a plan for rebate eligibility, and other carriers do this as well, but now all customers will be forced to cough up a significant chunk of change for the pleasure of using a neutered device. Like AT&T, Verizon's $30 plan gives the user unlimited web and email but nothing more. T-Mobile offers more competitive rates, but their 3G coverage doesn't warrant higher prices. Sprint handily leads the industry in data offerings: not only do they have arguably the most mature 3G network, but for the same $29.99 the user gets not only unlimited web and email but also messaging, GPS, TV and more.
Oh, and one more thing. It looks like select Mobile Web 2.0 devices will start carrying a data plan requirement next years as well. Apparently they're planning on fixing their Nationwide Plan billing issues by requiring customers to fork out more money instead of addressing their system problems. For VZW subscribers it looks like Hamilton and Jackson are the new nickel and dime.
source: Howard Forums via BGR
1. xxxgamer (unregistered)
114. anonimo (unregistered)
OLDER PHONES RELEASED PRIOR TO 11.14.2008 WILL STILL BE ABLE TO BE USED W/O THE DATA PLAN... This makes it so obvious that the storm is coming out on the 15th... as rumors claimd.
Not so. The popularity of the iphone raised all other carriers' awareness to data take rates(in this case forced). VZW in the past 2 yrs has already required data on Blackberry's. All they are doing now is clarifying. STORM may well still release on the 15th, but this data rate requirement is long overdue. If you want to play, you will have to pay.
I just think this is hilarious because all the iPhone haters were complaining OH YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DATA PLAN!!! Now you all can follow the same rules to get your "precious" strom, LAME
141. Anomalies (Posts: 61; Member since: 08 Jun 2008)
Are you retarded? Re-read what the person you replied to has already said " VZW in the past 2 yrs has already required data on Blackberry's". People would have had to have a data plan to get the Storm already, this is for other PDA phone. Great job pointing out nothing!
186. kaylorra (unregistered)
When inquiring about the Storm or Curve, I was told it was RIM who required the data plan on Blackberries. Then again, every customer service representative at Verizon is an idiot, pretty much. Everyone tells me a different story. This sucks though, because I was interested in the new Samsung smartphone that I heard is coming out this week. Hmph. And I'm a college student so I can't afford the extra expenses, hah.
not suprised...the two sisters (at&t and verizon) always follow each other
s*** man i wanted to get the storm, i prob wont now lol
You had to get a data plan on the Storm anyways. All Blackberrys require a data plan.
22. Douchebagerslayer (unregistered)
Hey dude there's no reason to be a douchebag, try insulting people in real life.
23. vzw fanboy (unregistered)
why would paying a few extra dollars prevent you from getting a phone that looks really cool?
ur r really that stupid? all blackberrys have required it from before, get out of here you nobody cause you dont know s***
Freaking awesome name!
67. so real (unregistered)
You'd b surprised. Imma vzw call center rep and I get @ least 5 calls a day from cheap skates who don't want data on their pda........I cringe at the backlash from this
Hey 3 what goes on in your mind to honestly think about walking away from the Storm now that it rquires a data paln. Were you just going to buy it to show it off to your friends. All of you people who think this is wrong need to grow up and realize now all phones are for everyone. ALL PDA'S SHOULD REQUIRE PDA PLAN. If you want a calender, a regular phone has just as good of one. The only thing that I see is wrong would be to force regular phones to require data plans. NOW, ALL OF YOU CUSTOMERS AND VZ EMPLOYEES WHO CRIED ABOUT ATT AND THE $30 DATA PLAN FOR THE I PHONE I know have to laugh. I so wanted to cut and paste all of those entries because I knew this day was coming. Yes I work for ATT and for the most part we have been doing this for as long as I can remember. I do not think it is wrong for both companies to require this data plan for all smart phones. Thats what they were made for.
You know what tough!!! If these customers want that specific phone then they need to realize there comes a price they have to pay. Not all phones are for everyone. The I Phone, BB Storm, as well as other PDA's shouldn't be purchased just to look cool in your pocket or at the next party that you attend. Let me re phrase this, you can buy them for that reason but don't bitch at the fees that come with them. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh but if you don't like the fees dont buy that particular phone. It's simple.
thank god for unlocked phones!
what does that have to do with anything?
94. harper (unregistered)
just fyi, there is no way of unlocking the storm. though many people think you cant. vodaphone and vzw have blocked that from happening. read around if you dont believe me
fcc requires that any phone offered by a US carrier can be unlocked at anytime for any reason
You know, something should be said about the broader perspective in that consumers in an ideal capitalistic economy, should be given the widest range of choices for the products they want to buy. Honestly, I do not see your point about why you feel the need to REQUIRE a data plan with a PDA. I happen to believe that this is quite inconsequential to me as I require a data plan for my work anyway, but truth be told, I don't think that the people who are against this requirement from VZW are unfounded. What's more ridiculous is your vehement response to such protest. You talk about growing up, well, I just gave you a lesson. I suggest you learn from it and not be so myopic.
98. the FCC requires no such thing. No verizon phone can be unlocked (easily).. and u sure as hell cant use a sprint phone on verizon's service even though they are the same tech and vice versa. Please, know what you are talking about, or not talk. GSM and CDMA are 2 diff techs and do not lock/unlock the same.
As a VWZ employee, here's the most common scenario Sept - Customer - "no, i don't want the data plan on my new cenrto, i'm just going to use the calendar to sync with outlook" Oct - Customer - "why the hell do i have data charges on my Bill???????" VZW - "because you used the internet" Customer - "bullshit, no one told me there were data charges!!! i want credits" VZW - "ok, sir, we can do that, But since you're using the internet, would you like the data plan?" Customer - "No" Niov -Customer - "why the hell are there data Chrges on my bill again? Can't you people do anything right?" as a cell phone employee, i get so sick of this scenario. the majority of people that don't add the data plan to PDA's that are (currently) optional come back to either add the package or bitch about their bill. If they had used common sense ion the first place, they would have saved themselves a trip or a phone call
I think he is talking about this: http://www.consumeraffairs.com
/news04/2007/10/ca_sprint.htmlIt was not the FCC though it was The California Supreme Court. Sprint settled it out of court but I think the entire thing was rediculas for the fact that no other carrier that I know of in the US will activate the phone.
um, metro pcs can unlock a verizon phone no problem. they can unlock it pretty easily too.
104 you can use a sprint phone on a verizon plan, I have a samsung instinct on one of my secondary lines, you simply have to send the ohone off for quality inspection and they will activate it for you. the majority of the features will be unavailable, but it is still a sick phone and the web browser even works on the vzw network..
When did VZW start the whole "Open Network" with a compatible device thing? I read where they were launching a sevice like that but did not know it was in effect. Are you still able to download the OTA firware updates like the new web browers they released a month or so ago? I'm also guessing the navigation and Live Search are part of the "majority of the features" that were unavalible. Makes me wonder if I could pull some stings with Sprint and get them to add an Omnia ESN to their database and activate that bad boy!
So for those of us who live on a campus with full WiFi coverage 8 months of the year, we get punished because retards complain about their phone bills. That's great. Since I won't be getting the phone I want, goodbye Verizon, I'll be leaving when my contract is up in May.
PDA's Clown - the rim devices already had it.
that is for the new spectrum that was just auctioned off not the one already out. your talking about LTE.
it was last january
you cant buy unlocked phones for verizon.
190. amigabill (Posts: 6; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
I don't want the data plan. I don't want web browsing or email which the data plan is used for. I want a device with good camera, keyboard, bluetooth picture beaming to other devices and memory slot. My Razr has pictures stuck in it that I cannot get out because there is no memory card, beaming, USB support for that and it refuses to message them over the VZW network saying the attachment is too big. WTF?! I want my pictures, burying them in an ld phone and not allowing me to access them is not acceptable and I won' tbuy another like that. The regular phones with keyboards have low MP and thus crap cameras. The Dare may be a minimally acceptabel cmera, but it has no keyboard and he store demo had a bad scratched screen. Not acceptable. The smartphones seem the better combination of camera, keyboard, etc. but I refuse to pay a $30/month ownership tax on those devices.
191. amigabill (Posts: 6; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
So, as a Verison employee, block VZW network internet access from my smartphone and leave me to find an available WiFi point for that sort of thing.
200. willi4m (Posts: 1; Member since: 10 May 2010)
May I suggest that Verizon has a feature to permanently block the 3g internet coverage to the device if a customer does not want to pay 30 bucks a month. I literally live in a wifi signal 23 hours of the day and I would have no use for the 3g that's "required".
Omfg... after trying to argue that VZW Charged me 18 bucks for 3 Applications I didnt even need/use (RemoSync - Corporate Email for a 14 year old?) on my Dare... just looking at this makes me wanna shoot myself.. BUT! On the bright side... if the Dare get's selected as a phone that requires the Data Plan... I see my dad HAVING to give me VPAK in the future =)
haha or downgrading your phone j/k lol
Writer of 4. omg, that was also what I was worried about LOL. I think he's gonna throw it out a window and make me use my old Motorola v325 =O
14. rbz275 (Posts: 37; Member since: 09 Apr 2008)
The LG Dare is not considered a smart phone and will not need one of these data plans. VZW only considers devices with Windows Mobile or Blackberrys as smartphones.
You are half wrong. The LG Dare may still fall under the catagory that requires Vcast. "select Mobile Web 2.0 devices will start carrying a data plan requirement next years as well" And considering it has a full HTML browser, my hunch is it may just be selected.
dare is not mobile web 2.0. mobile web 2.0 are the older phones
31. VZW (unregistered)
Actually, the Dare as well as all other HTML capable phones (Krave, Glyde, Voyager) will require the VCAST VPAK. No time frame as to when that will be implemented yet...
Theres also the fact that they wont add the requirement to an existing plan, only on activations or upgrades its required. So if you currently have a smartphone/mobile web 2.0 phone you wont see an additional charge all of a sudden.
4...remosync is only on your phone if you download it...don't be acting like it somehow appeared there and you shouldn't have to pay for it...feigning ignorance is not a good argument
READ CLOSER. certain mobile web 2.0 capable phones will also require a data plan(maybe just $15 VCAST Vpak) but a REQUIRED charge
well it is installed on the env''s right out of the box.
@150 I don't know about that but this guy's trying to make it seem like I honestly did it. I know what I did and didn't do. If he doesn't want me to believe it then fine, but don't go around falsely accusing me.
Actually the Dare as well as the Voyager, Glyde and Krave are Mobile Web 2.0 capable and have an optimized browser
why on earth do people want a pda phone which is designed to look for email actively syncing and pay .015 cents per kilobyte. i never understood this my curve last month used 51000 kbs * .015 per kbs is 765 dollars. why would u want this kind of phone and not use the data plan. then u call your cell company complaining that your phone racked up hundreds of dollars in charges because u left your internet session running or phone is accidentally set to active sync. crazy people if u cant afford the phones features dont buy the phone. people was the curve for the kids because kids say its cool looking. my 11 yr old loves t he look of my curve. i would never buy for her. stop buying phones on looks people.
I agree. VZW will also be launching a hand full of new phones that apeal to the media lover but dont have EVDO capability, therefore will not require data. There is nothing wrong with requiring data on the data intensive handsets, provided a large selection of high end non-data handsets are offered, which is the case here.
#16...... Per Phone Arena article above: "While in the minority, some smartphone customers choose to use them for their PDA functionality alone". I am one of these customers. I only use my PDA/phone to access medical programs for work and to make calls. I don't use internet; so, why should I be forced to pay for it??? Seems unjust to me. I think I will have to buy a separate phone and PDA now, even though only HP are making Windows Mobile PDA's these days. Not many choices.... :-(
Not everyone needs to constantly be checking their email and be on the web. I was planning on getting a WM phone so I can edit word documents on the subway (no service there anyhow) but there's no way I can justify the 30 a month I dont need the internet that often I'm almost always at home or work. It's not the email capabilities but the office capabilities...besides some of us have been grandfathered in and don't pay per kilobyte. I'm still paying air time for downloading stuff on my phone.....so on the nights and weekends it doesn't cost me
What kind of PDA phone do you have to have to access your medical program. Im oing to take a shot in the dark and say it is a some type of PALM Treo. If this is the case, go buy a regular PALM with out the phone portion. Problem solved. I'm guessing if I am right you like the fact that having it all in one cuts down on having to carry multiple deviices. Convience comes with a charge.
87. The Expert (unregistered)
Sorry bro but it does cost you on the nights and weekends you may wanna lkk at your bill a little closer.... just an expert that's all.... that cares about the users....!
88. The Expert (unregistered)
I will 2nd that there... It Soooo comes with a charge!!
usually its winmo. and regardless, its an inconvenience to carry two devices and forcing the customers to have something they dont need is wrong. seeing all you vzw fanboys on your high horse is pretty funny, given the iphone backlash/ridicule
my understanding is that its only for new pda purchases, #40. they wont require it of people who ALREADY are on such plans. well.. i guess we can just stop selling the Palm Centro. The ONLY time i ever sell that phone is when someone just wants teh advanced calender features and nothing else... its like pulling nails to get data on that phone (and do it ethically).
the Sway, Blitz & Juke all fit this. No premium plans, no huge extras, but all multimedia capable.. great phones for kids...And the sway adds a 2.0 megapixel, where the other 2 just have VGA
7. hmmm (unregistered)
I have been holding out for the verizon wireless Samsung Omnia, is it considered a smartphone? So if I make a purchase before Nov14th then I wont be required to have a $30 data plan?
10. killingthemonkey (unregistered)
Yes, the Omnia is a smartphone. It runs WinMo 6.1. Besides, I know exactly why they're doing this. A customer buys a smartphone. Then he totally ignores the rep trying to tell him the penny and a hal per kilobyte, because he's got someting new and shiny to play with. Then, when the bill comes in he calls and whines to customer service because he has a $30,000.00 bill. So, make them take the data plan and it doesn't happen.