More information on Touch Diamond and Raphael for both Sprint and Verizon
This article contains unofficial information.
First, HTC Touch Diamond will be called HTC Victor for Sprint and HTC Diamond for Verizon. Sprint’s variant runs on Qualcomm 7501A chipset with 528MHz processor, 256MB ROM, 256MB RAM and 4GB internal memory. Verizon’s runs on Qualcomm 7500 chipset with 400MHz processor, has half the RAM (128MB) and has microSD cards slot instead of 4GB NAND flash. Sprint’s Victor will have an accelerometer (Motion G Sensor), Rev.A straight out of the box, and aluminum frame. Verizon’s Diamond lacks the sensor, is Rev.A upgradable and has stainless steel frame. Other features seem to be similar to the GSM model and identical for both, including 2.8” VGA display, 3.2MP autofocus camera, TouchFLO 3D, Opera browser and YouTube client.
The CDMA equivalent of the HTC Touch Pro will be called HTC Herman for Sprint and HTC Raphael for Verizon. They are QWERTY variants of respectively the Victor and the Diamond and have similar specifications, but twice the ROM memory (512MB for both). Herman trades Victor’s 4GB for memory card slot and Raphael’s frame is also made out of aluminum instead of steel.
A few of our readers report that the Victor will be available with Sprint on September 02, 2008, and the Herman will come one month later. There is no exact information when Verizon Wireless will release the Diamond and the Raphael, but it is expected that Sprint will have 30 days exclusivity.
Please keep in mind we cannot guarantee this information is correct, as it is not official. It is possible that the names or the specifications of the models change with their announcement.
source: LessthanZach and Ken, and anonymous PhoneArena readers
1. alpap (unregistered) posted on 20 Oct 2010, 01:42 0
ha sprint version is way better and verizon versions doesnt even have a motion sensor lol lol lol what losers
2. (unregistered) posted on 05 Aug 2008, 07:33 0
why no accelerometer for the version going to vzw?
9. (unregistered) posted on 05 Aug 2008, 09:21 0
No accelerometer for vzw! That's horse C#$P. I've been waiting for this phone for a while, and and now they're taking away one of the best features. If I wasn't being held prisoner by vzw I probably would have left awhile ago.
17. (unregistered) posted on 05 Aug 2008, 09:39 0
In the processor comparison fields, does anyone know what the ISM represents? I notice the Verizon phones have more, but not sure what type of memory this is.
28. phillipxenxciel posted on 05 Aug 2008, 11:43 0
if u saw a topic about sprint selling towels to have more money on corporation development a few days ago, then u know what happen, spring paid more to HTC to make the diamond better, and verizon vers is not a surprise cus they always do that, all their phones are missing something from the original vers
34. (unregistered) posted on 05 Aug 2008, 12:09 0
what u comparin about verizon has way better phones than sprint i mean way better just let us sprin users enyoy this one :)
44. (unregistered) posted on 05 Aug 2008, 14:00 0
This one?....Please elaborate one some of these "way better" phones becasue I'm having trouble finding may. Let's see the Touch (6900) is about the same but the Sprint version has a much better housing. The Insticnt puts the Gylde, Dare and Voyager to shame and the Decoy is just plain ugly (look at an m520 for a good looking slider). The new Chocolate looks dead up like the Muzic and Fusic with the same cheap housing feel like the Muzic. Both have the exact same line up as far a BB so no advantage there either. As far as WM both have 6900/6800....Sprints have Rev A and GPS....I have not seen VZ release the updates for theirs yet. Both have the Centro and Q9 and Spritn release both back in October and I don't see the Treo 800 yet for VZ. This is the most aticipated for this year not named iPhone and they droped the big red ball! I forget I will give you the enV and 9400 becasue the only thing Sprint has that is even close is the Rumor and it is not comparison.
50. to 50. (unregistered) posted on 05 Aug 2008, 15:09 0
if sprint has such great phones, then why doesnt everyone switch over to their cheaper plans. hello ! its cause sprint does NOT have good phones !!!!! thats why they are not the number on carrier in the nation like verizon. lets go down a list of all the cool phone verizon has. the dare - way better then the instinct with its accelerometer, 3.2 megapixel camera, and gorgeous interserface. the voyager - sprint simply does not have a teen friendly technologically advanced messaging phone. the glyde - i think this phone is gay but hey, its an option. the env - another great messaging phone. the venus - no there is a great looking slider the flip shot - innovative design and a 3.2 mp shooter...thats right verizon has (2) 3.2 mp camera phone...sprint has 0! the chocolate 3 - gorgeous flip phone with a humongous outside display with advanced capabilities....the muziq has nothing ! the alias - although i hate it...spirnt does not have both a flip phone and a messaging phone in one. as well as a host of good sliders such as the decoy and the iconic chocolate. as well as a host of good smartphones. like world edition blackberry which sprint does not have. face it. sprint sucks
62. (unregistered) posted on 05 Aug 2008, 16:17 0
Actually Sprint's Diamond is with its original specs... just verizon crippled the good phone again. So next time just get your facts straight. I don't wanna argue, i'm just writing the facts ;) Re$pec7
69. LessthanZach posted on 05 Aug 2008, 17:16 0
Im pretty sure that VERIZON did not cripple the Diamond, rather, Sprint paid more for their version to have more expensive and advanced components built in. Yeah, last time I remember Verizon does not build the phone, therefore, cannot cripple it.
89. ur a douch3 (unregistered) posted on 05 Aug 2008, 19:32 0
NO One cares about ugly phones... and yes sprint does have the blackberry world edition.... the only reason verizon has more customers is because people are accustomed to verizon at home.. Obviously now they suck at that too .. your probably on cable modem rite.... any how stop whining go do something healthy...bake a cake that looks like your treasured diamond.. and let it burn in the oven... cuz sprint's version is better!!!
91. LookingForAnswersNotFlame (unregistered) posted on 05 Aug 2008, 19:53 0
I would like to second this. What is ISM and why does the Verizon version have more?
97. (unregistered) posted on 05 Aug 2008, 20:45 0
The Dare isn't better than the Instinct Mogul is better than the Voyager, Glyde, Env Rumor is better than the Alias Why did you even put the Chocolate 3 up here lol you verizon fan boys kill me. The only reason why Verizon as a company is better than sprint is because customer service and a few more roaming agreements. Sprint has better phones point blank period
101. (unregistered) posted on 05 Aug 2008, 21:58 0
Yeah that's pretty retarded :-(
104. LessthanZach posted on 06 Aug 2008, 01:42 0
Call performance wise: yes the Dare is better, just not in interface - look it up. Mogul is a PDA, therefore does not compete with Voyager, Glyde(which sucks), or EnV2 Rumor is about a year newer than the Alias The Chocolate 3 is actually a rather good phone. Cool features like Dashboard, large screen, and an FM transmitter all bundled with A2DP, 2MP Cam, VCast Video, and multitasking music all made by the highest ranked phone manufacturer by consumer reports: LG. It's NOT that I agree with his comparison, it's just that I don't find yours to be fair or accurate, either. And YES VZW is a better company because of our Cust Service and our network (not just our roaming agreements, who told you that?). Since when is cust service not a big deal? Since when is not having the best network that actually RUNS your toys not a big deal??? I just don't get the consumer....
113. (unregistered) posted on 06 Aug 2008, 03:02 0
Just do yourself a favor, wait for an unlocked CDMA version so you can have the g-sensor too. Anyone see the "teeter" game for the diamond? Look it up on youtube, that alone is worth the wait.
116. (unregistered) posted on 06 Aug 2008, 05:20 0
VERIZON ruined a great phone. the diamond is the best phone to hit the market this year and they just downgraded it to a piece of crap iphone on wm ... too bad you verizon customer wont be able to enjoy the diamond cause your carrier is to cheap to pay for the ORIGINAL spec and features to this phone.
118. (unregistered) posted on 06 Aug 2008, 10:03 0
That's not true. The carrier absolutely has final say on what phones go on their network. So when HTC submits their device, the carrier takes a look at it and then decides on which features they want and which they don't. Either the manufacturer makes the changes, or they lose sales because the phone won't be offered by that carrier. So the blame rests firmly with VZW if they release a stripped down version of these devices. Seeing as how Sprint took the device pretty much in it's original form, I doubt they paid extra as speculated by many here.
120. (unregistered) posted on 06 Aug 2008, 11:45 0
verizon cripples every phone they get I have worked for them and seen first hand.
126. szaldana posted on 06 Aug 2008, 14:28 0
I think the phone itselft doesnt need an accelorometer. What for? so the screen switches orientation, when it can do the same thing by sliding the keyboard out.
129. (unregistered) posted on 06 Aug 2008, 15:05 0
cellphones are build on order for the carriers DUh vzw is cheap, sprint is trying to avoid defections
130. LessthanZach posted on 06 Aug 2008, 15:20 0
I, personally, am waiting for either the Raphael or the Thunder. The Thunder will have an accelerometer and will be all touch, and the Raphael will switch orientation with the simple slide of the keyboard. I do agree that the Diamond will be too similar to the current Touch (which I own and can't stand). I think I am just going to opt for the thunder seeing as I have better stability and enjoy the messaging and speed of the blackberry os much much more.
148. b (unregistered) posted on 07 Aug 2008, 10:22 0
You're an idoit. All of vzw phones are lock or missing the best thing about the phone. All sprint phones are unlocked and aren't missing anything as far as what you can do with it. The rev a network kills vzw by far and the new 4g wimax will kill them more. Hands down you can do way more with sprint phones
151. Mike aka El Gordo (unregistered) posted on 07 Aug 2008, 13:42 0
I used to work for sprint and cant remember how many times i sold a black berry world edition for them. yeah verizon has better quality phones in the long run but every provider is basicaly in the same boat when it comes to BlackBerrys. Only difference might be the black berry internet price plan. but i wont lie if the specs are true, it means sprint is starting to make somewhat of a comeback
153. Unlocked network (unregistered) posted on 07 Aug 2008, 14:52 0
Verizon will most likely unlock their network next year so buy the sprint version full retail then use on vzw's network. I can only assume that installing a microSD reader takes up more space than static 4gb internal memory so some other stuff had to go. BTW - does anyone know if the raphael will have the motion sensor?
156. (unregistered) posted on 07 Aug 2008, 15:21 0
get your info straight..... mogul= pda (try comparing it to the 6800 ...same phone on vzw)....voyager, glyde, env2 are not smartphones. rumor....just ugly and copy copy of the env... chocolate3....because it's a very good flipphone with more features (media wise) than anything sprint has in the same category or anyone else in the us for that matter. i have sprint and verizon phones. verizon has better selection of phones. sprint has a couple of phones i would rate good devices but overall...not even close. sprint does have less expensive plans though..BIG PLUS being a sprint customer also ...i feel as if sprint digging their own grave...hope not. but the writing is on the wall.
158. (unregistered) posted on 08 Aug 2008, 03:11 0
I agree mostly about the Verizon Wireless stuff; however, Verizon FiOS is the best in the country for home phone, internet, and TV. Imagine, unlimited landline, 10 Mbps down/2 Mbps up, and 200+ TV channels for $100.00/mo...and for $12.00 more, you can get 20 Mbps download speads (un-fricken-believable).
159. LessthanZach posted on 09 Aug 2008, 00:56 0
FiOS will rock when it gets here (norcal). Can't wait, have all of my services bundled into one bill and all superior to the rest.
163. Big Kippa (unregistered) posted on 09 Aug 2008, 02:41 0
ummm Sprint does have the blackberry world edition knob bobber, and guess what theirs is unlocked!!!!! Unlike Verizon who makes you use their SIM card when traveling globaly or it won't work. Sprint's 8830 can use any SIM card when international allowing much more freedom and cheaper international rates, do your homework please before posting. Sprint as 4 more phones coming out this year from Samsung alone, including a dual slider, and an evdo slider similar to the rumor. Voyager, Glyde, and ENV are garbage phones. Don't post shit if you don't know what you are talking about.
167. tazkaza (unregistered) posted on 10 Aug 2008, 01:39 0
actually, verizon, being the carrier, has quite a lot of say on what features get into the phone. besides, if the phone has the features in the first place (i.e. the unlocked version released in Asia and Europe), then the carrier doesn't have to pay more for the features. that would make no sense.
174. n3o (unregistered) posted on 12 Aug 2008, 19:44 0
the phone doesn't need an accelerometer? you obviously DO NOT know what accelerometer does. Since Nintendo Wii took the world by storm with that, every single gadget wishes they had accelerometer. Even new digital cameras have it. It totally changes the way you see pictures and videos, play games, and it WILL provide a big breakthrough for software developers. You need to search for 'teeters' on youtube. Lots of third party developers are already designing big things based on this feature alone.
176. (unregistered) posted on 13 Aug 2008, 10:05 0
Integrated Services Module (ISM) locks memory and makes it unavailable to other processes or the OS.
179. (unregistered) posted on 15 Aug 2008, 02:30 0
the dare has lesser issues than the Instinct. Sprint service sucks. Dare get better reception.
180. LessthanZach posted on 15 Aug 2008, 03:48 0
You also post shit that you do not know about. The voyager and the EnV series are great phones. Look up some reviews.
182. (unregistered) posted on 15 Aug 2008, 16:45 0
stop smokin crack, the dare is way better then you instinct. sorry man
187. (unregistered) posted on 19 Aug 2008, 22:50 0
I am held hostage to vzw too. They are the worst wireless network I have had so far. This is just one more nail in the coffin for them
191. (unregistered) posted on 20 Aug 2008, 13:52 0
ummm actual sprint does the world edition blackberry...they have had it for a while...
195. (unregistered) posted on 20 Aug 2008, 22:46 0
Verizon did cripple the Diamond, they didn't want it to use the full bandwidth of verizon. This is comming from my source in corp verizon. I'm not trying to bash, but there is no reason to pay more for a phone with the original specs.
196. (unregistered) posted on 21 Aug 2008, 03:01 0
If the verizon version really does **** ***** I'm gonna get the Sprint version and demand that verizon adds it too their database and then I will flash the ROM with a custom rom ( GPS unlocked, no VZW branding etc...) if they don't add me to the database.... Hello sprint. Who is with me????
197. (unregistered) posted on 21 Aug 2008, 12:29 0
sprint DOES have a world edition blackberry, the 8830, the same one vzw has. Nice try vzw fan girl. Sprint has every thing vzw with more reliable phones. They may not do as much, but they dont break as often. LG sucks btw
203. brunnettegirl412 (unregistered) posted on 25 Aug 2008, 14:41 0
vzw rox there in ur face
206. sprint rocks (unregistered) posted on 27 Aug 2008, 09:26 0
sprint uses verizons towers, when you are roaming that is using verizon towers and roaming is included so no extra charges so you get verizon towers and sprint towers!
207. smarter than that guy! (unregistered) posted on 27 Aug 2008, 14:47 0
Dude, your an idiot if you think verizon has better phones than Sprint LOL! I walk into a Verizon store and fall asleep Its so boring in there! I left Verizon just to join sprint and enjoy how we consistently get better deals than Verizon customers HA!
208. Joe8734 (unregistered) posted on 29 Aug 2008, 12:02 0
Actually they do cripple phones, for instance the 6800 that i have has a GPS chip that verizon purposely left out the drivers for. Thank god i was able to get it working with a custom rom. I'm sure the Motion sensor is something similar but the ram and proc speed i'm not sure about. I guess we'll see what the xda community does with the phone and a custom version of WM.
210. DrRoger (unregistered) posted on 01 Sep 2008, 16:34 0
It could be that VZ chose to lower the RAM to 128 so they could have a micro-SD slot. Personally I'm glad the Diamond for VZ will have this approach so I can buy a GPS program on Micro-SD. But....no Rev. A out of the box??? And I'll be the GPS will be limited to just VZ Navigator. A VZ salesman told me today he has a VZ 6800 and just got a software update that will run VZNav on it, but HTC has not released this software upgrade on its website yet. Sprint's Mogul got this software Aug 6th.
3. alpap (unregistered) posted on 05 Aug 2008, 07:51 0
I understand ppl are going to get uptight because they expected the verizon version to be better than sprints but sprint cares abt what ppl want in a phone though their sevice is a little under par to verizon but sprint they actually listen to what ppl want in their phones unlike verizon they release phonse with little support for them cause they disregard the cries for what ppl need in their phone they currently have or for upcoming phones, so when phones ppl were looking forward to actually come out for verizon its stiffled or features killed because they think thats waht ppl want?yeah right so sad verizon does this to us
102. (unregistered) posted on 05 Aug 2008, 22:02 0
Any company would care when they lost millions of customers suddenly! Shows what kind of crappy company they are!
209. (unregistered) posted on 01 Sep 2008, 00:15 0
Mergers are always rough. I worked for Verizon when Airtouch, Bell Atlantic, PrimeCo, etc. merged and they bled customers just like Sprint. Don't fall for the marketing. The major carriers all have comparable service because of roaming agreements. Sprint uses Verizon towers and vice versa. It is really how close you are to a tower in general. BTW --- Verizon does absolutely cripple their phones. They have done it for years with bluetooth being disable except for using bluetooth headsets. Personally, I do not use customer service that often, so paying more Verizon doen't really add value for me. I do use my phone and tons of data on a daily basis, and Sprint was faster to launch EVDO nationwide, so I would rather pay less and get a better deal. Can we also get back to discussing the phones and not which carrier is better. People take it way too personally. Ther are good and bad things about all of the cellular carriers.
4. (unregistered) posted on 05 Aug 2008, 08:09 0
What are you talking about #2? actual data speeds? have you ever used a phone on sprint's network? im using the original touch on sprint's rev.a network and it's fast as can be. p.s. the word herb went out with 1996
5. (unregistered) posted on 05 Aug 2008, 08:15 0
I wonder what Verizon is thinking some times.
6. (unregistered) posted on 05 Aug 2008, 08:43 0
You idiots do realize that this is rumored and changes can and probably will be made before the release?
30. (unregistered) posted on 05 Aug 2008, 11:50 0
Actually, these reports are based off of FCC reports from the tests, so you calling everyone idiots because they are believing information passed on is kinda like the pot calling the kettle black isn't it. Plus, if you look at the comparison guide pics, you can see that they appear to be released by Sprint. Knowing how close together the phones are thought to be released, it's not surprising to see the specs available for both models. And if anyone needs more proof that Verizon typically neuters their PDAs, compare Sprint's Touch to Verizon's.
46. (unregistered) posted on 05 Aug 2008, 14:07 0
Wow...think before you speak and read the entire article. Stuff from the FCC is no rumor more like fact. These are not things that can be changed in a firmware update and I can tell you they are not going to send all these back to HTC to have the better processer, RAM and motion sensor added. Thanks for the laught though!
63. (unregistered) posted on 05 Aug 2008, 16:20 0
YOU SPELLED LAUGH WRONG HEHEHEHEHEEEE
7. (unregistered) posted on 05 Aug 2008, 09:11 0
this is so funny reading ur guys comments, its early in the morning and im getting a kick of you people arguing which is the best company, i work for sprint so u know what im going to say, but everyone has their own opinion. Sprint does have the best PDA devices hands down, with the most features. Funny how the Touch became such a successor to lead to the touch diamond, where did it first launch, SPRINT. But like i said im just basing my opinion.
64. brunnettegirl412 (unregistered) posted on 05 Aug 2008, 16:23 0
heheheehe THANK YOU i totally agree!!!
8. (unregistered) posted on 05 Aug 2008, 09:19 0
As someone who is considering the Touch Pro for Verizon when it launches, can someone explain to me the key difference between the Sprint and Verizon versions? Basically, can someone explain to me what this Motion G Sensor is and if it is a big deal to have it or not? Thanks.
12. (unregistered) posted on 05 Aug 2008, 09:28 0
It's a sensor that detects motion. What is does in phones is it allows the phone to determine how you are holding it. If you hold it in landscape, the phone will automatically adjust itself to display in landscape. Accelerometers I think are used in the Nintendo Wii remote controls. I've heard of some really cool games that you can play on phones with accelerometers. It's a REALLY cool feature, and if vzw keeps it off they're STUPID!!!
13. (unregistered) posted on 05 Aug 2008, 09:31 0
the big difference is going to be extra 128mb of ram on the sprint version. the motion g sensor just can tell how you are holding the phone if its on it side or what not and changes the screen to fit that. its not needed but its something that you can show off to every one.
15. CellTech (unregistered) posted on 05 Aug 2008, 09:36 0
@ poster #13 The motion G sensor is very similar to the controllers for the Wii video game system. They will allow the phone to respond you you moving it. The usefulness all depends on what kinds of applications people make for it. Although, I am not sure what type of Motion G feedback they have built directly into the new TouchFLO 3D operatering system.