HTC CEO Peter Chou says ITC ruling against the company is a mere "distraction"
Analysts expect HTC to ship 13.5 million smartphones in the current quarter, a whopping 98% increase from the prior year. In the June quarter the company shipped 12.1 million smartphones while Industry leader Apple sold 20.3 million iPhones over the three months. HTC is also looking to expand its position in the Android tablet business. The report in the Journal said that Chou is "carefully assessing the tablet market".
Chou also said that HTC's recent purchase of graphics company S3 for $300 million would prove to be money well spent. While Chou didn't bring it up, Apple was recently found to have infringed on two of S3's patents. It could prove to be money well spent if HTC could use the S3 patents as some sort of "hostage swap" with Apple.
While the Taiwan based HTC is enjoying strong, rapid growth, in April the company lost its head of innovation Horace Luke. Luke had overseen the dramatic rise in HTC from a contract handset manufacturer churning out product for others, to become a major handset manufacturer itself. Luke-designed product will still be churned out by HTC until the end of Q1 next year. At that time, we will have to see if HTC can keep its edge when it comes to the design of its products which many consider to be among the best in the industry.
source: WSJ via AppleInsider
1. NeXoS (Posts: 277; Member since: 03 May 2011)
Apple is such a douche bag company. Suing other companies for infringing your weak ass patents only to have them counter sue you back for the same thing, only benefits one thing: The Lawyers.
Ends up hurting innovation and customers cuz all those lawyer's fees get passed onto handset costs.
15. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
good comeback loser. You would kill on the 3rd grade playground
8. Sniggly (Posts: 6199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Um, Taco, this article is more about HTC than Apple.
Posts like these are an example of what not to do in order to recover your reputation.
9. biophone (Posts: 1877; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Its an htc and apple article. But it is still an apple article as it talks about them. I dot see how a couple lawyer fees will raise the price of a phone by more then a couple cents. So that wont really hurt customers
11. Sniggly (Posts: 6199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Ehh... have you seen what legal fees for high profile costs are these days? Especially since HTC could be ordered to pay their own and Apple's legal fees AND give further compensation should they lose. That's a lot of money.
31. biophone (Posts: 1877; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Ok so sniggly im guesing over the course of 2 years htc sells 50 million devices lawyer fees are lets say 10 million. That would increase the price of a phone by 20 cents. That isnt really bad. Correct me if im wrong this is all a guess but its about what i think it will be. If you have more accurate numbers feel free to enlighten me. Now if they lose then that means they copied apple and should have to pay for whatever the judgement is. Apple has that right and i expect the court system to do what is correct. My point is the consumer really shouldnt see much of an impact from this.
14. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Nexos is a troll that only posts to talk s**t about Apple. I really don't care what anyone on here thinks about me. This is the bs that happens with fandroid trolls. It's ok to bash Apple, but if anyone bashes android or the trolls back then that's messed up.
18. Sniggly (Posts: 6199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Um. Yeah. Taco, have you noted where I've been telling those insulting you to cool their jets too? I don't care if you bash Android, but the personal crap can end if we all make an effort at it.
22. Whateverman (Posts: 3065; Member since: 17 May 2009)
@ Taco50. You gotta admit, Sniggly has had your back the last few articles. When you were attack, Sniggly asked Android fans to back off. But it's hard to defend you when you are the one attacking first. NeXoS expressed a feeling about the company Apple. Not about the iPhone, not about iOS, and not about you. Even with this new More civil approach some of us have been trying to take, you still managed to take a few swings at Android and Android fan that went ignored. Why can't you extend the same courtesy to this young lady?
24. Laurynas (unregistered)
It is just a foto of Caroline de Souza Correa.
I don't think that NeXoS is a girl.
34. Sniggly (Posts: 6199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
NeXoS may still be a girl, but I KNEW IT.
26. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Apple is a douche bag company is a well thought out argument?
35. Sniggly (Posts: 6199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Taco, did Whateverman say anywhere in his comment that he thought NeXoS's comment was a well thought out argument? No, he did not. He's simply asking you to be more courteous, just like me.
56. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
I told ya, he is incapable of change. Most people are not. Just putting a leash on behaviors and leashes break.
57. duder (unregistered)
Is it a thought out argument if its true?
55. Lucas777 (Posts: 2115; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
if this is more of an htc article why don't u criticize nexus not taco? he started bagging on apple... and why shud apple not protect their patents... and as a business, which u seem to forget sometimes, they are in it for the money and will get as much as they can,.. this has nothing to do with android and iOS this is simply who is the better business man, and i think it will be apple in the end,...
44. aztaxia12295 (Posts: 262; Member since: 22 Nov 2009)
shows your class, you call a girl a moron? get a life.
20. Laurynas (unregistered)
It is pathetic to sue everyone around you, but patent rights also should be respected!
2. The_Miz (Posts: 1496; Member since: 06 Apr 2011)
Yes, how dare Apple defends the products they pioneered and innovated? How dare they attack the competition for copying them and such?
5. Rob74 (Posts: 7; Member since: 29 Jul 2011)
Hey Miz if apple pioneered and innovated everything then why are paying royalties to Nokia.
7. biophone (Posts: 1877; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Did he say everything. I didnt think so dont put words in other mouths. Apple has a right to defend themselves no matter what anybody says. Great point miz. Htc is a great company too with great phones and im sure them and apple will work this out.
13. Rob74 (Posts: 7; Member since: 29 Jul 2011)
He didn't say it but I know he meant it I've read some of his posts and they are ridiculous, your not a fanboy biophone the Miz is don't put yourself on that level.
29. biophone (Posts: 1877; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Just because he has had some ridic posts doesnt mean what he is saying here isnt correct. I agree with this specifc point of the miz. Then you completly ignored what the miz said and distorted it. Just becayse apple pays royalties doesnt mean they dont inovate in other areas. He never said inovate everything and your post was more to do with the fact you dont like him not based on what he said.
52. droidfan_007 (unregistered)
this is more like the samsung-apple thing
4. Hongkie Tong (unregistered)
Unless there is only 1 bloody product/industry designer in the whole goddamn world...I'm not too sure HTC will sweat about losing a designer....There will always be better one out there. lol
10. Sniggly (Posts: 6199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
HTC: cool under fire. I'm surprised the article didn't mention Chou putting on sunglasses, spouting a one liner, then walking away while a giant apple explodes behind him.
I'm all for companies getting compensation for the use of their IP (though Apple is just as guilty as everyone of simply buying a lot of its patents or getting ideas from elsewhere, like pinch to zoom), but Apple isn't looking for that. They are specifically asking for HTC products to be completely banned from the US market. I'm very much against the initiation of force against others.
Like has been said before, Apple is not interested in competing. They want to be the ONLY game in town. They can't tolerate anyone else being as successful as they are. And HTC is probably their greatest threat, due to its insane growth and reputation for quality.
17. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
How do you know what Apple wants to do internally? They are protecting things they innovated and have patents on and they have total right to do that.
19. Sniggly (Posts: 6199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Then how come Microsoft was able to do the same thing with HTC and Samsung without specifically asking the ITC to banhammer them from the market?
Apple is all about Apple making all the money and Apple being the only company making real money in the market. It's obvious when you look at their history, how they market, and how they treat anyone who deals with them.
27. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Every company is all about making money. Apple is just more successful then most. People hate Apple because of their success. Whenever you're very successful people come out of the woodwork trying to bring you down.
36. Sniggly (Posts: 6199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Incorrect. People hate Apple because they're control freaks and hypocrites about IP ("Our IP shouldn't be stolen, but we sure as hell like to steal everyone else's!"). Apple is hated because they use the government to bully everyone who gets in their way and they're not willing to share their wealth with anyone who has made their success possible.
They're hated because of the snobbish attitude they cultivate over their products, culminating in their "If you don't have an iPhone, you don't have an iPhone" campaign.
If I hated them simply for being successful, I would hate Ford, Inc. because of its success in recent years- I don't. I would hate HTC. I don't. I would hate Warner Brothers. I don't.
Please stop with the paranoia. It gets you nowhere, Taco.
39. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Not true companies sue each other all the time. Apple just settled with Nokia after a drawn out lawsuit. It's part of the business but Apple gets bashed for it.
42. Sniggly (Posts: 6199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Okay, so when Apple gets sued it's just "part of the business," but when they sue everyone else, it's because they're protecting their IP?
Apple has filed over 350 copyright complaints in the past couple of years alone, and not just against tech companies. Even companies that sell apples get the pants sued off of them by Apple for copyright infringement.
37. rican (Posts: 132; Member since: 02 Jul 2011)
taco...i dont understand why you defend apple so much, do they ever send you money, thank you cards, coupons, deals of any kind? do you work for them does any of your family or friends work for them, or are you just some dude that buys their product and sucks steve jobs d**k? in the end its not that serious, all companies are making their money while we as normal everyday people are struggling to even have a roof over our heads.
38. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Why do the fandroids pop up on every Apple article with talking s**t? I come to read Apple articles and have to read their crap so I bash them back. Simple.
43. Sniggly (Posts: 6199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
You don't see us complaining too much when you pop onto an article about Android and comment.
In fact, we are only complaining when you make things personal, which is almost all the time these days.
25. remixfa (Posts: 13882; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
uhh because theyve asked judges to ban the competition from selling any devices in america. That makes a pretty clear statement about what they want.
32. biophone (Posts: 1877; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Its a bargaining tool. There playing te game you have to ask for alot so you can then settle for royalties. We all know as does apple that htc wint be banned. Its insane this is even being discussed. Apple has a right to protect itself. Dont be overdramatic about this and just let our court system handle this.
40. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Thank you people act like Apple is the devil because their defending themselves against blatant infringement on their patents.
12. ngo2dd (Posts: 731; Member since: 08 Jul 2011)
Why is there so many Troll on here is is the same person trolling over and over again. Anything that has anything to do with Apple and low and behold the troll show up.
21. Owlet (Posts: 444; Member since: 21 Feb 2011)
The guy has cancer, he probably tries to quickly become as much as he can possibly be. Shooting for God? :) He's desperate...
23. catalan (unregistered)
It is so funny to see people fighting over who is the best apple or android, I have friends that could get to the punches if someone says anything negative about apple losers,I have the thunderbolt, because LTE is awesome also I have it rooted and I get free hot spot, I watch videos online and iphone doesn't support adobe flash ,I don't like paying itunes $0.99 per every song and since I'm to busy to search in the net, I get them for free, right from market. I really don't care if apple IOS is better than android, or if apple app market has more applications than the android.
Android works for me and for as long as apple doesn't offer adobe flash, free turn by turn navigation, free song downloads, and 4g lte, I will keep using android.
30. dmakun (Posts: 114; Member since: 06 Jun 2011)
Well said ........simple as that!!!
Hear that TACO?
@Taco, are u paid by apple? Everytime there is a personal opinion about that company you seem to jump out with swords!! Everyone is entitled to their opinion (unfortunately including you) but when issues as blattant as this, you don't need to be a scholar to see that this move by your beloved apple isn't 'really' all about the patent. Its quite obvious they feels threatened by the competition.
I'm an artist by profession and if there's one thing i know for a fact, it is that 'originality' (patent) or claim to it is an illusion and ideas only develops and become better when its out there where people can use it. Yes, apple deserves compensation but there is a proper way to go about that without desiring to expel the competition and people such as yourself (the 'end user' if you are actually one) will continue to benefit
41. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
No it's a business move that any business would make. If someone is making money off your idea and you can stop them then you will.
47. Owlet (Posts: 444; Member since: 21 Feb 2011)
Please provide us with your source. Or stop beating around the bush. What other companies are so arrogant and hated and try to get rid of competition by suing every competitor and trying to ban them from free American market? Shut up or provide the proof.
33. biophone (Posts: 1877; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Artists have a right to get paid for music. What your doing is illegal aka downlooading free songs. If thats why you like android so much its your loss. If you want flash download skyfire. Even though flash doesnt work well on a mobile device you can still get it. What its best for is ads which i dont care for. A few bucks for nav is no big deal and most of the time people are in wifi. 4g just drains battery and 4g will be implemted once its get better. The thunderbolt is a good phone but i might rethink whats so good about it.
49. Sniggly (Posts: 6199; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Actually, Bio, if you buy music most of the money goes to the studio, not the artist. The artists make their big money off of concert tickets, which is why you don't often see an artist doing very well if they don't have effective tours, and also why you see artists who are clearly past their prime still going out on stage.
Conversely, flash is great for videos that are blocked by Youtube mobile for copyright issues or seeing videos that are not from YouTube but still use flash.
53. biophone (Posts: 1877; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
All the android phones i have ever had all i used flash for was ads nothing else. I tried to watch videos and it didnt work well and always ended up at youtube anyway. It may be useful for some but piontless to me. Regardless where the money goes its still illegal and if thats the reason he likes android to get illegal music that isnt a very well thought out buying decision.
58. catalan (unregistered)
Do you think That rappers and rock stars need your money? do you feel sorry for them living in malibu or the upper east side of NY? I don't care if it's illegal, the last thing I will do is to pay apple $1 per song , when I could get it for free, I'm sure they won't go broke because of it. but me I'll definitely miss $100, the navigation from verizon is $10 per month, Again why would I pay that when I get it for free in my TB, I already pay Verizon $200 for 4 lines, the battery works fine for me I get around 8 hours, also 2.3 will improved batt. life, I'm a big sports fan, I watch the entire Hockey season on my phone from the web, I don't use any apps, I get it straight from the net.
Like I said if apple would offer those things maybe I'd get a iphone too, until then I'll stick to my TB,
28. von (unregistered)
which company patented adoble flash?
48. Jerseysniper (unregistered)
While i have been selling Phones for the past 10 years (at&t mobility, T-Mobile and SprintNextel) ..I've always find it funny that people take the monetary value of another company over there own lives very entertaining. Im a gadget freak and have no official loyalty to any OS although i use a Moto Photon and have been using an android the past few years. I respect everyones opinion but for some reason it seems a few (namely Miz and Taco) seems to come here to only OVERLY defend Apple and EXTREAMLY offend others for there opinions. I get a laugh out of it but i really do say in the back of my mind (damn this reminds me of the customers that would come into my store and all i had to say was it was made for apple and they would uneccessarily buy a dozen of them for one phone but cant pay there damn phone bill) SMH, but Im with whateverman, sniggly and Protolez on most case as they mostly seem to bring up great "DEBATE" points not blind sheep "ARGRUMENTS".
I say whatever OS works for you then PLEEEEEASE by all means roll with that, i have some customers that only have a use for Winmo7 or some cases just regular messaging phones. Does this make them less intelligent or in a lower class than those with an iPhone or Android...? Hell no, this just makes them a smart consumer who researches there products to fit there buisness and personal needs. Not everyone needs iTunes, Mobile hotspots, LTE, front facing cameras or all the bells and whistles. Hell for the most part most people i sell phones to and try to right fit them in a device for them only buys a handset because "it's the hottest or newest or my friend has it" but yet lacks the mental capacity to fully understand they may not need or use all of those features or know or be willing to learn how to use them.
But hey i cant complain because no matter who buys what as long as they're buying from me im making a great commission but i just wish more people would stop acting as if they own apple or samsung or HTC or as if there phone is lower than his or her phone, look at it like this: I may not have a Dodger charger SRT8 but instead opt for a Prius. Does that make me "dumb" or "a loser"? no because i may comute 90mi to and from work everyday and live in a climate that gets heavy snowfall, the other person driving the charger may live where its sunny and clear and may have mommy and daddy footing the bill for his or her gas.
Just learn to respect each others choices....damn this is like high school all over again.
50. Owlet (Posts: 444; Member since: 21 Feb 2011)
Yeah, Jerseysniper, but you gotta admit, it's quite entertaining most of the time. Sometimes I read a headline and I know there's gonna be a war in comments. I sometimes don't even read the article and go straight for the entertainment in comments! :D
51. HTCiscool (Posts: 449; Member since: 16 Jul 2011)
After reading the article and trudging through all the comments all I can say is ''Get a life'' ''Bloody trolls'' and stuff of that nature
54. O@0 (unregistered)
Apple definitely has a right to protect their products because they were the ones who really revolutionized the industry, and that goes without saying, so yes I think might have to chalk up legal fees. But, Apple is going about this the wrong way, Trying to ban HTC from shipping in the U.S is stupid. Secretly Apple has an urge to dominate, and they are hoping to halt competition legally. HTC should be slightly punished, per say, but not be kicked out of the U.S. But you can't deny that Apple really did come out with a lot of things way before anybody else did, and the court should respect that.