There's an attorney for that; AT&T sues Verizon over map ads
The first version of Verizon's spot said that AT&T customers out of the blue 3G region were "Out of touch." After the carrier complained, the copy was changed and superimposed on the screen are words that say, "Voice and data services available outside 3G coverage areas." AT&T still feels that the ads are misleading and points to a survey done in a mall where 53% of those asked responded that they thought the maps showed that there was no AT&T service at all in the non 3G locations on the map. A Verizon spokesman, Jim Gerace, puts forth the argument that AT&T's own ads are misleading. "We believe this action by them calls into question the validity of their own claim of fastest 3G network," said Mr. Gerace. "They are misleading customers by inferring that the fastest 3G network is much bigger than the blue" area on the map. In response, Mark Siegel, an AT&T spokesman, said, "Verizon began this whole campaign largely in response to the fact that we are the leader in smartphones." The suit is being brought under the Lanham Act which bans trademark infringement and false advertisement.
1. Trobes05 (Posts: 106; Member since: 01 Aug 2009)
This will go no where...its obviously says 3G on it. That doesn't mean they have to show a 2G map too.
16. *HOVA* (Posts: 564; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
I disagree. While it does say 3G, the commercial eludes that if they aren't in a 3G coverage area they get NO data coverage, which obviously is false. It would automatically revert to EDGE. Verizon obviously knows they are a little on the edge, becuase they already updated their commercial with a tiny text claimer at the end...
22. The Doc (Posts: 122; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
Really, *HOVA*!? Are we really so naive that although it clearly states "3G Coverage", Verizon Wireless is eluding to stating that you either ge 3G or nothing? You must be the fanboy of all fanboys with that terrible statement. And honestly, even though VZW didn't say it, if you're using an iPhone 3G specifically, we're educating those customers that the 3G branded device only gives you 3G coverage in very few areas. Verizon Wireless has finally taken the gloves off and is now on the offensive. Maybe At&t can hire another celebrity spokesperson to say otherwise! Stop wasting money on mediocre celebs and upgrade the network! VZW FTW and there's a map for that!
24. *HOVA* (Posts: 564; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
You can refer to my post #17. Just because the people on this forum get it, does't mean the millions of morons who see the commercial does. Nice try though.
27. tonyc_42 (Posts: 61; Member since: 18 Aug 2009)
once again hova you amaze me with your ignorance
28. *HOVA* (Posts: 564; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
Once again, you're a follower of idiots with no real comment.
44. 20X0X0B545AHT (Posts: 20; Member since: 30 Oct 2009)
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45. 20X0X0B545AHT (Posts: 20; Member since: 30 Oct 2009)
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46. 20X0X0B545AHT (Posts: 20; Member since: 30 Oct 2009)
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2. BrokenImaege (Posts: 173; Member since: 27 Jul 2009)
Really??? The maps clearly show 3G comparison. How do you compare 3G vs. 2G? It is why AT&T has to put in thier commercials with the IPhone 3G/3GS that 3G coverage is not in all areas..... What the maps are doing is clearly showing network diferences instead of phone differences and that is where AT&T loses and that is what they are afraid of......
47. 20X0X0B545AHT (Posts: 20; Member since: 30 Oct 2009)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 G >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
3. E.N. (Posts: 2578; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
Well it doesn't really matter what happens now. Even if AT&T wins the suit (which I think they will), the damage is already done and Verizon accomplished what they sought out to.
23. The Doc (Posts: 122; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
At&t doesn't have a case to win any suits. It's obvious that Verizon Wireless is comparing 3G Coverage and coverage alone. What could you possibly say that is false advertising!?
25. *HOVA* (Posts: 564; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
And you call ME a fanboy of fanboys?? Just because I can step back and look at things objectively and you can't doesn't make me a fanboy. I don't have AT&T so why would I be a fanboy of them exactly? That would be like calling you an Alltel fanboy when clearly you have VZW. That doesn't make sense, but your comments never really have so... Carry on!!
35. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
hova.. you do know that alltell and VZW are the same company now right? lol (minus a few rural mandated exeptions) look, this is just ATT striking while cornered in a true statement commercial. ATT has been sued left and right for their commercials (best 3g coverage, fastest network, most dependable network, on n on n on). ATT is known for .. "stretching the truth" in their adds. VZW, not so much. Now they are saying "best worldwide coverage" like you dont get charged extra for leaving the country.. The only Reason ATT is even in #2 spot is because of mergers and the iphone. VZW would have taken #1 even without the alltell merger, it would have just taken longer. Let ATT sue.. it just opens up the can of worms for more counter suits against ATT. Only tards are on ATT anyways. You get Tmobile coverage at VZW pricing. oooooooooooooooooooooh an iphone ooohhhh. (yes you can have your jesus phone on tmobile and pay half price)
4. Galen20K (Posts: 528; Member since: 26 Dec 2008)
I completely agree with all of the above posters. Verizon is using smart marketing and THAT is what really scares ATT. HA! And you know almost everybody in the country has already seen the ads and agreed with them I'm sure so its a moot point even the WAY OUTSIDE chance ATT would even win a fight like this. We all already know.
5. Jyakotu (Posts: 838; Member since: 12 Dec 2008)
But understand why AT&T is suing Verizon. Sure the commercial is saying 3G, but think about it. 1X and EDVO Rev A is also considered 3G by Verizon. AT&T never called it's EDGE network 3G, since it technically is, but they called it 2.5G. AT&T is angry because the map on the Verizon commercial leaves the viewer to believe that if their area isn't blue, they have no data coverage, even though they do. I know I'm going to get thumbbed down for my comment for defending my network, but I'm just looking at it from both points. I know that if I was an average customer that didn't know what 3G was, then I too would believe that since my area isn't blue that I wouldn't get data.
8. jundibasam (Posts: 119; Member since: 05 Aug 2009)
Verizon says 1x and EVDO are 3G because their entire 1X network IS EVDO whereas AT&T has "dark blue and light blue" coverage areas for their 2G and 3G networks because not all of their 2G netwok offers 3G service. Its just sour grapes for AT&T. They have no other way to defend their coverage, but instead of spending all this money on a frivilous lawsuit, how about build a tower somewhere and beat Big Red the old fashion way...through real industry leading network coverage expansion. The whole purpose of this marketing campaign is a spoof on AT&T's commercials that claim their "i'm Bill Curtis, and I'm faster than Michael Phelps". Like VZW said, those commercials are more wildly misleading in making people think that 3G coverage is available everywhere. I think AT&T customers should get together and start a nice class action, Big Red should donate to the legal fund.
14. mechrock (Posts: 1; Member since: 04 Nov 2009)
This is true to all that have no clue what 3g is. It was obvious to me and I'm sure many others that it was just comparing their (3G) Data coverage. Not any slower speed they might have. ATT is just fussing becuase they can. All Verizon has to do is put in fine text at the bottom of the commercial that say "These maps only repesent 3G data coverge, not the total coverage of the carrier." or something like that. ATT is just doing dirty work here. If they wanted to get back at Verizon then they should just make a Ad of their own. But there is one small problem they would be helping Verizon if they made a coverage map becuase it would just show the same thing, but add 2 or 2.5G coverage to the map. I hope one thing is that if they win the suit them I sure hope they use what ever they get to improve apon their network. I would lover to have an Iphone, but their Edge speeds all around me for at least a 100 miles are too slow for me. But Verizon on the other hand gets fast enough speeds where every for web browsing and even video stearming. When talking about phone coverge both carrier's are great, but when it comes to data coverage Verizon will always win. Spint even has the upper hand as well.
36. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
i love those bill curtis commercials.. i always go " SO THATS WHERE THEIR 3G COVERAGE IS!!" cuz you can never find it anywhere else.. LOL :)
6. drewsky (Posts: 147; Member since: 04 Jan 2009)
Told yall this was coming!...LOL It is a confusing ad to some people that can be misleading. Well it is misleading
19. vzwtechbill (Posts: 175; Member since: 16 Mar 2009)
If this suit passes, it will set a precedent that advertisements not only must be factually accurate, but not be mis-interpreted by the moron masses. Think AT&T is shooting themselves in the foot on this one, lawsuit is bringing more attention to the commercials.
37. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
if ATT had to be 100% factual in their adds, i think they would just stop making adds.. lol
7. Triple0h (Posts: 4; Member since: 19 Oct 2009)
It can be misleading all it wants, that is smart advertising. AT&T doesn't have the slightest chance in winning this suit. Verizon isn't responsible for people not reading the commercial and noting that it says 3G coverage and that it says there is regular coverage in other areas at the end. AT&T is just hoping that this suit will get mainstream news and will stop some people jumping by thinking verizon's ad is a lie(which it's not)
34. Trobes05 (Posts: 106; Member since: 01 Aug 2009)
I am about 3 months away from getting my law degree so I decided to bring this to a couple of my professors. They decided to talk about it in class and show how it was a totally legal commercial because of the title of the map saying 3G coverage and not data coverage. I think I'll take their word for it.
10. martycota (Posts: 28; Member since: 15 Jun 2009)
I guess they never learned that Sega does what Nintendon't... Really, the map says in BIG LETTERS 3G coverage.. It isn't like they hid it in small fine print that comes and goes quickly.
17. *HOVA* (Posts: 564; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
You really think the average person these ads are targetting are smart enough to figure that out?? If so, you need to work for a wirless carrier for a while. You'll soon find you're sadly mistaken... I had a guy yesterday tell me he was mad because ATT's 5G coverage wasn't fast like he was told... We know because we're educated, most customers are idiots when it comes to this stuff, lets be honest.
21. CRICKETownz (Posts: 980; Member since: 24 Oct 2009)
Damn...we on 5G now? Just skipped right over LTE and Sprint's pathetic WiMax into 5G? Man...AT&T doin it real big! No wonder the have the "fastest 3G coverage". Man cell phone carriers are turnin into sports. Dude in a earlier post talkin about defendin his network and what not. Man...i thought when Obama got elected this country would be more unified. This is a sad state affairs man...just sad.
11. vzwman (Posts: 385; Member since: 26 Oct 2009)
the only thing that kills the iphone is AT&Ts coverage... im proud to be with VZW...
29. DOGIEFRESH (Posts: 302; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)
Correction, the only think that would kill the iphone are the fanboys like you with that redneck network who cannot do voice calls and data at the same time, if AT&T where so bad it wouldn't be the carrier with more iphone sold in the world......before the iphone it wasn't stupid bitch crap like VZW does on their comercials but the real thing is they're so soar because they've lost more than 2 millions users due to the iphone.....is simple the iphone got them desperate is the hottest handset in the USA and redneck carrier is greedy to get their hands in it......and speaking about bitch for comercials wasn't VZW cryed like little school bitches when Nextel trow the PTT comercial against them.....????
31. zr1vette (Posts: 26; Member since: 22 Aug 2009)
dude when did this turn into a stereotypical argument? not every one on vzw is a redneck. as for rednecks not being able to do voice calls thats utterly wrong. and btw the iphone is popular but even some att customers think it will do better on vzw. so just calm down and take your stereotypical comments elsewhere.
32. jkeskel (Posts: 52; Member since: 23 May 2009)
Redneck network? Really? You're funny. Calling 82 Million Americans redneck. Thanks for brightening my day :-) Incorrect fact #1: VZW hasn't lost 2 million customers to the iPhone. VZW has had a lower churn rate than any other US carrier for years. Incorrect fact #2: VZW wasn't "cryed like little school bitches" for any Nextel PTT commercial; Sprint/Nextel is the carrier that lost 2 million customers last year. For future reference, please refrain from using profanity to emphasize your point; it just makes you look unintelligent as do your misspellings. K thanks.
33. DOGIEFRESH (Posts: 302; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)
Truth hurts......and yes is true, VZW has lost more than 2 millions beacause the Iphone am not making these numbers ask any big red rep; they never show those numbers, and by the way am not calling the users Rednecks is the technollogy wheres stuck in the 90s and nobody in the world is adopting.......name me one single carrier who's switching to CDMA, good luck.....!!!!!
38. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
wow doggie, your really ignorant arent you. Do we have to go through the whole "apple begged vzw to have the iphone on their network first, but VZW turned them away because apple wanted special rules" bit again? and who cant do voice and data at the same time? how many phones have you had that you can surf the web while on a phone call? Smartphones can. VZW hasnt "lost" anyone. they havent had a negative quarter yet. noone is desperate for an iphone exept IDIOTS. And no, nextel has less than 2 million subscribers nationwide these days. VZW was just giving them an alternative to nextel's crap coverage. They dont really care all that much, honestly. I used to work for VZW. the big "PTT" push was "heres some PTT phones.. put them in the cornerl.. lol :) DUDE please get a fact before you talk.. OMG>
39. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
just to play with you, NOONE IS SWITCHING TO GSM either. everyone exept sprint is switching to LTE... which was made by VODAPHONE, VERIZONS PARENT COMPANY. just because more people use a tech doesnt mean its better. LOL. and just for the record, no matter what ATT claims, there are ony 2 more GSM countries in the world than CDMA. Id say thats a pretty even split. CDMA goes over longer distances and penetrates buildings better than GSM. It is a sad fact that I have to deal with since leaving VZW. Man, that coverage spoils you.
40. gomets15217 (Posts: 38; Member since: 13 Jul 2008)
im surprised this argument lasted as long as it did to be honest, considering DOGIEFRESH cant speak english. please, reread and proofread your posts before clicking that button so i dont have to read things like "yes is true" and all your other horrible attempted english.
41. DOGIEFRESH (Posts: 302; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)
Finally a fanboy with brains, you made your point CDMA goes 20 % more than GSM but that's only th 2.5G i mean CDMA2000 and 1x, but HSPA wich is the 3.75G performs 3 times much better than EVDO (3.5G of CDMA). LTE is the 4 gen of GSM, is the next step that almost all carriers exept Sprint, Yota and SKT who choose WImax, but wait as i was saying Telus, Movistar,Telstra and many more carriers switch from CDMA to HSPA (GSM) so i don't know why you saying it isn't true..........80% of cell users worlwide are GSM the rest CDMA those are real number am not lying make research bro....!!!!
42. DOGIEFRESH (Posts: 302; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)
Words from the VZW CEO " Iphone never was and never will for CDMA " so who's the liar Apple, VZW or the fanboys like you.........?????
43. DOGIEFRESH (Posts: 302; Member since: 15 Jul 2009)
Man you have no idea and zero knowledge about cellphones, stay in your trailer park Fanboy....!!!!
48. jsomebody072 (Posts: 1; Member since: 09 Feb 2010)
i know im a little late to the party here and i have had every service availible and i would rate them like this last is t-mobile then verizon then at&t and in first place sprint/nextel and the reason sprint loses so manny ppl is due to the fact that they will kick you out they give you notice that you have 30 days to find a new carrier and the reason they do this is because of pain in the ass customers that they do not want to deal with wich is sad because they have the best customer service (i know that is my opinion but whatever). they let me upgrade all 4 of my phones after having them for 6 month for the price they are offering for a new 2 year agreement and palm pre blows the others out of the water also the samsung instinc is really good aswell
12. anarkie (Posts: 48; Member since: 28 Jan 2009)
LMAO!!! Loving this one. First, AT&T sue VZW for stating they have the "most reliable 3G" Meanwhile AT&T advertises, and continues to advertise the "Fastest 3G". Now AT&T doesn't like their "Fastest" 3G coverage map called out. I thought they were proud of their 3G network. Now we all see that they arew ashamed of it's truy low coverage. VZW will walk away from this one just fine. The statement is very well made that it IS a 3G map. Those who think shouldn't be punished for those that don't.
13. Triple0h (Posts: 4; Member since: 19 Oct 2009)
/167391/a_day_in_the_life_of_3That link shows that in MOST cases their faster 3g coverege isn't even the fastest in most major cities. g.html
15. vzw fanman (Posts: 1974; Member since: 11 Dec 2008)
come on at&t, obviously you guys know that this will be a profitable and successful advertisment, which it is a great one. At&t is just jealous and trying to stur up trouble. :-)
30. johnolesen (Posts: 20; Member since: 17 Oct 2009)
they can call it a parody, and continue on lawsuit free. god bless that little loophole