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Qualcomm Snapdragon 805 chip makes it easier for phone makers to offer Duo Camera like features

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Qualcomm Snapdragon 805 chip makes it easier for phone makers to offer Duo Camera like features
The Qualcomm Snapdragon 805 allows phones to offer two-camera systems like the Duo Camera on the HTC One (M8). According to the chipmaker's senior director for cameras and imaging, Tim Yates, Qualcomm plans on developing a reference design that supports both stereo and depth cameras, so that phone manufacturers won't have to do it themselves from scratch.

The Snapdragon 805 has a pair of ISPs that allow it to capture HD video and 16MP burst photos at the same time. Or, it can handle input from two sensors at the same time. The Snapdragon 805 can also offer 3D noise reduction on videos, and the chip's gyroscope allows for digital image stabilization.

The HTC One (M8) Duo Camera sensors send image and depth information to the Snapdragon 801 that powers that device. But the Snapdragon 805 is a different beast with the focus on image processing. Qualcomm Snapdragon silicon powers up the Lytro ILLUM light field camera, which not only means that we could see more Snapdragon powered cameras in the future, it also means that Qualcomm could make it easier to bring Lytro-styled focal changes to smartphones.

And Qualcomm is also hard at work on improving the audio capture on video. A directional microphone array was displayed by the chip producer, that shows how Qualcomm can focus the recording of sound to a specific area while other sounds are ignored.

It all adds up to better photos and videos on newer smartphones, and with Qualcomm Snapdragon chips doing all of the hard work, all of these great new features will become standard on future handsets.

source: SlashGear

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posted on 25 May 2014, 21:02 11

1. fzacek (Posts: 2486; Member since: 26 Jan 2014)

The Duo Camera and Re-Focus features are complete gimmicks...

posted on 25 May 2014, 22:11 1

12. sgodsell (Posts: 3739; Member since: 16 Mar 2013)

Think a little more having to identical cameras evenly space could be used for 3D imaging. Or it could be used to double the original pixel count (two 8mp camera's could give you a 16mp image).

posted on 26 May 2014, 01:03 5

18. Beijendorf (Posts: 340; Member since: 27 Aug 2013)

While the HTC M8 execution of a duo camera is gimmicky, a duo camera isn't.

Computational photography is the future of mobile imaging, and Qualcomm knows it.



posted on 26 May 2014, 17:09 1

26. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)

There is promise in this field, but it seems many, if not most, people who want high quality pictures would be far better off buying a small camera with a larger sensor like the Sony RX100.

posted on 27 May 2014, 02:22

30. Beijendorf (Posts: 340; Member since: 27 Aug 2013)

You're probably right that actual up-to-date DSLRs will often if not always be superior to anything a smartphone maker can put into a thin flagship, computational imaging included.

However, with computational imaging we'll probably see the distinction in performance and quality between smartphones and DSLRs blur a lot. Remember, with computational imaging you can combine many smaller sensors to form a big RX100-like sensor. Not to mention few people would ever consider dragging an RX100 around, whereas a smartphone is always with you.

posted on 25 May 2014, 21:08 3

2. Totse2k15 (Posts: 461; Member since: 11 Feb 2014)

Kool. Snapdragon ftmfw!

posted on 25 May 2014, 21:22 6

3. Bioload25 (Posts: 213; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)

One thing that keeps coming in my mind each time a manufacturer releases a new phone is that,do we really need all that bloat and power? A SD 600 powered device isnt more than enough to everyday tasks? It was the top notch SoC last year.... Latest games are very power hungry,but if I want to play a heavy game,I have my PC,I dont think that anyone would ever need Air Gestures....
New features on SoCs are very welcome (just like the ones mentioned in the article) because it can save trouble from manufacturers and have the potential of being more effective than a software-based feature, but I'd love to know if all these advances and groundbreaking 'innovations' are truly useful on a regular basis or its just marketing bullsh*t

posted on 25 May 2014, 21:34 1

6. techperson211 (Posts: 1230; Member since: 27 Feb 2014)

Enough said . You hardly noticed the difference between s600-s800. But still this brings new start for a bigger innovation. That's the thing about technology the so called hi tech today is not by a month or so .

posted on 25 May 2014, 21:42 9

8. Taters (banned) (Posts: 6474; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)

I just want the more powerful GPU.

And to answer your question, no the SD 600 isn't powerful enough.

For example, the S800 Nexus 5 is still smoother than every phone with an SD 801 with a skin. Until all skins perform exactly the same no matter how much bloat, more power is welcome. Yes companies can optimize software to make the SD600 enough but I'd rather have my cake and eat it too. Until the heaviest of skins performs just as fluid and fast as the lightest of skins, give me the SD 9900000000000 any day of the weak.

It also means as gaming graphics get more advanced, your phone is better equipped at handling the games. Future proofing is always good.

posted on 26 May 2014, 07:18

23. Suo.Eno (Posts: 499; Member since: 17 Feb 2013)

"Future proofing is always good."

Not if it is technically on the same arch (ARMv7) when the leaping generation over that are probably just 6-7 months tops from now? You're demanding things backwards here; SoC makers don't put out product because of sh*tty code job by phone manufacturers, if that's the case then the lower performing Cortex A7 variants wouldn't even have made it out the petri dish, let alone the fab's door?

posted on 26 May 2014, 13:45

25. Taters (banned) (Posts: 6474; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)

They don't but the processing power helps s**tty coding whether you like it or not. So yes, give use more power until everyone is a software coding genius or until it doesn't matter. Whichever one comes first I am fine with either one.

But until then, give me more cores or more power.

posted on 26 May 2014, 20:26

28. Bioload25 (Posts: 213; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)

I honestly have to disagree, and here's why:
The system's fluidity isnt necessarily attached to the processor's raw power, although it happens very often
My thinking is that the processor runs the system just like a worker operates a machine; if the machine is stained, old or in need of a repair, the worker simply doesnt have anything to do with it and will be limited by that
If u put a good worker operating a good machine it works just fine, but if u stuff as many features as possible on a software, without optimising the whole thing to run smoothly with memory management and effectiveness, it is simply not going anywhere
Now, in case of a game, it really demands more processing power, but in this case,the game usually takes more advantage of the GPU and CPU power available because it was made for that
Proofs to this is that you have the Z2 and GS5 running laggy UIs and doing just fine in games and 3° party apps

posted on 25 May 2014, 21:31 4

4. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)

I have to agree with the previous posts. Qualcomm has gone down a path of throwing features onto the wall like spaghetti and seeing what sticks. Instead of a relentless focus on battery life, performance/watt, efficient 64-bit processing, low power encryption, secure enclave features, high quality audio output, flexible radios for multi-provider phones, etc., we get gimmick features.

posted on 26 May 2014, 07:06 1

22. marbovo (Posts: 658; Member since: 16 May 2013)

Take my like

posted on 26 May 2014, 07:34 1

24. Arte-8800 (banned) (Posts: 4562; Member since: 13 Mar 2014)

Its great to have extra feautres
Touchwiz has lots of features that no other Oems provide

You should kick of with the Oems not pushing and using advanced battries or using 3200mah+

posted on 25 May 2014, 21:31

5. gigaraga (Posts: 1454; Member since: 29 Mar 2013)

Oh I hope the manufacturers would pick up on this benefit of SD805 if their next flagships are running that silicone! That'll be a waste if they use SD805 and not implement something similar...I wish the Duo camera on the M8 would be more accurate at least because its not doing better than Samsung's implementation of that feature....

posted on 25 May 2014, 21:46 2

9. nlbates66 (Posts: 328; Member since: 15 Aug 2012)

Why bother with a duo camera when the job can be done better with one camera as other manufacturer's have shown? In addition having two camera sensers means having to worry about keeping them BOTH uncovered when taking pictures, instead of just one.

posted on 25 May 2014, 21:42

7. GreekGeek (Posts: 1276; Member since: 22 Mar 2014)

Nvidia is nowhere to be found

posted on 25 May 2014, 21:53

10. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)

Nvidia announced they are out of mainstream phones and tablets. From the WSJ:

Nvidia has been jostling with other chip makers to supply key components for smartphones and tablets. That’s a tough market, and the Silicon Valley company has decided to concentrate on where it has the most muscle.

That would be devices that are especially tailored for playing videogames, building on the graphics technology for rendering three-dimensional images that has long been at the core of Nvidia’s business.

Signs of a strategy shift have been increasingly evident in some of the company’s recent statements, including remarks by Nvidia CEO Jen-Hsun Huang at the company’s annual technology conference in March.

Huang amplified his thinking in an interview after the release of first-quarter results Thursday.



posted on 25 May 2014, 22:03 1

11. grahaman27 (Posts: 361; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)

but the nvidia GPUs may end up in future snapdragons if qualcomm is smart.


posted on 25 May 2014, 22:24 1

13. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)

That program has existed for some time without a single licensee of Nvidia's GPU tech.

posted on 25 May 2014, 22:40 1

14. grahaman27 (Posts: 361; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)

they arent licensing yet. they PLAN to start licensing next year.

posted on 25 May 2014, 23:42 1

16. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)

Note the date of the article you posted.

NVIDIA to License Kepler and Future GPU IP to 3rd Parties
by Anand Lal Shimpi on June 18, 2013 9:16 PM EST

There is some belief in industry that Nvidia's licensing effort is just a patent trolling scheme.

posted on 26 May 2014, 01:04

19. renz4 (Posts: 318; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)

why is it patent troll? did they go out suing other company like Rambus did?

posted on 26 May 2014, 17:11

27. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)

It's the first part of a patent troll process. Nvidia will go fishing and see who is interested in their technology and then see if those companies are doing anything that requires Nvidia patents. If they find some interesting fish with money, then they will troll some patent dollars.

posted on 26 May 2014, 01:01

17. renz4 (Posts: 318; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)

i don't think that will happen. rather than license other company GPU it is better for them to keep their existing GPU tech and have full control on it on hardware and software

posted on 26 May 2014, 23:46

29. 0xFFFF (Posts: 3806; Member since: 16 Apr 2014)

My hope is that Nvidia goes down the AMD path and starts making high performance chips using ARM and their graphics IP.

I can't see them going against Qualcomm and winning in mainstream mobile.

But for high performance tablets, maybe a win here and there.

For game consoles, Nvidia can win.

And for high performance/watt compute clusters, Nvidia can win.

posted on 26 May 2014, 01:07

20. renz4 (Posts: 318; Member since: 10 Aug 2013)

uh the article is not about tegra

posted on 25 May 2014, 23:16 1

15. hellonerds (Posts: 324; Member since: 27 Aug 2013)

Wireless charging coming soon... you didnt hear it from me because my friend works there and test them chips lol.. it will be on a 64bit but not till next year or so.. 64bit snap is almost ready for fall.. cant say anymore lol..

posted on 26 May 2014, 03:23

21. __0__ (banned) (Posts: 242; Member since: 07 Jan 2014)

HTC Launched the M8 too early

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