Do you want the Patent War to end?
Nowadays, it's starting to get more of a norm for companies to sue themselves over various patent infringements; some reasonable, others not so much. The questions is, what number of those cases we'd consider reasonable and needed. We've already expressed our predominantly negative stance towards the Patent War that happens to be waged with full force now, but we've also been having this little feeling inside telling us that most of you aren't quite happy with what's going on as well. That's why we though it would be interesting to ask you to express your opinion on the matter with your votes.
Do you feel that the Patent War needs to end, or rather, are convinced that there's much sense in it? Will it stimulate innovation by forcing companies to think of their own approaches to certain problems, or will it actually harm innovation by forcing companies to spend too much resources on pointless lawsuits?
- Do you want the Patent War to end?
898 votes (898 votes) Absolutely, these lawsuits are pointless and a waste of time!
121 votes (121 votes) It should go on - those who infringe on patents must get what they deserve!
47 votes (47 votes) Not really sure.
1. haikallp (unregistered)
Totally! These lawsuits are pointless. The only people who win are the lawyers. It also hampers innovation and evolution. Pointless!
7. remixfa (Posts: 14178; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
just wanted to point out, that you forgot to connect samsung and apple together as lawsuits. :)
an amazing neglection as the news is dominated by apple-samsung drama..lol
5. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
can you see that graphic?
apple is responsible for TWO of those arrows. I know its much, much more complicated than that, but without apple's lawsuits ALL of this would still be going on.
i really hope this was just mindless trolling and not all around mindless.
8. remixfa (Posts: 14178; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
arrows are missing. notice how there isnt arrows going back n forth between samsung n apple? that graphic is not complete. Also, didnt apple sue ZTE this year at some point as well?
28. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
its just old. my point is, take away what apple is responsible for and you still have the exact same problem.
this site is plagued with fandroids calling apple the devil and blaiming them for all mobile legal action since the invention of the walkie talkie. apple is incredibly far from being the main culprit. there isnt one.
33. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
apple may not be suing the most but they have more than that chart suggest but i think that apple are the only one who dont want loyalties but actually ban a product...the actual suing dont bother me but trying to ban a product i dont agree with as it takes away choices from us...many people use to and still think microsoft were bad but atleast they dont try and ban products whic actually says something...hopefully this back and forth between samsung/htc etc and apple leads to an out of court settlement and let the consumers decide which we want.
57. Ray.S (Posts: 263; Member since: 19 Jul 2011)
Hey, the picture is just for illustration purposes. It's not an actual representation of all the lawsuits that are going on.
61. remixfa (Posts: 14178; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
lol, unfortunately as you can see, most apple fans have taken this as "law".. lol. need a huge disclaimer up there in bright shiney letters saying its not an accurate picture.
9. hepresearch (unregistered)
the infographic is a little out-of-date... Apple is now responsible for a few more at this point than are shown, but, notice that NOKIA is responsible for waaaay more of the suits in the infographic. Granted the graphic is still out-of-date, but it just shows that fanboys will find any excuse to throw blame on their perceived immediate opponent rather than the actual majority culprit...
15. box (unregistered)
Nokia also has about 18 times the number of patents apple does (last I heard), and they're more or less legit and either self-developed or purchased from the developing company or individual, rather than the vague and/or BAU patents apple got somehow, and tries to sue for every slight possible infringement even when the "infringement" is covered by another company's patent and/or IP predating apple's patent.Granted, apple does have some legit patents of its own, but few are very innovative or industry-breaking
27. ayephoner (Posts: 837; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)
you're trying to be nonbiased and failing miserably.
40. RVM (unregistered)
well... he's not.
50. remixfa (Posts: 14178; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
this infographic is so dated its irrelevant. if it was up to date, there would be many more arrows coming and going from apple.
people get on apple because they sue to ban products and protect market position instead of innovate.. everyone else is suing for valid patent complains.
if you look at apples court record, it loses 90% of the time its sued and wins less than half.
58. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 804; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)
I get the apple suing samsung for design etc infringement. . . But in regards of them suing HTC is hypocrisy & Bul***it. . .
43. joseg81 (Posts: 168; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)
that graphic needs to be updated and apple needs to stop cuz in the public eye they look like the bully going after everybody. the way i see it they only wanna get rid of everybody else take all the profits, they don't want competition. i've said it before n i'll say it again they need to redesign they're phone and overhaul they're ui. it's getting tired already.
3. Knicknevin (Posts: 138; Member since: 18 Mar 2011)
All the money that companies are spending to file these lawsuits could be used to R&D or lower the prices on the phones...cough cough.
Ya hear that!!!
Take half your legal budget and put it into R&D and people will just stop buying their phones!!
14. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Or they will just copy your product once you bring it to market
23. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Yeah, like how the "elongated" menu bottom was copied from original Galaxy S2. I know what you mean.
24. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Or how android is one big copy of iOS
26. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Your right! That whole customization thing...that's all iOS. LOL! If you think about it, all iOS consist of is one large grid. The exact same kind of grid you would find on Palm OS, BB OS, and every OS befor it. So if not for Apple and Google copying all these pioneer smartphone OS's, there would be no iOS or Android either, now would it?
35. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
agree with you ios is just the menu of many feature/smartphones prior iphone...i give apple credit for mainstreaming the smartphone and all touch screens but thats all...
41. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
finger touch interface
pinch to zoom
To name a few things that Apple's iPhone revolutionized or popularized in the market. No matter how much hate your heart is filled with Apple changed the smartphone market and android is playing follow the leader.
Sure they added features that the iPhone doesn't have, but the concept their using is taken from the iPhone.
44. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
android playing follow the leader?....i think its more like apple is playing follow the leader cause it seems like they are just catching up with all the dual core android phones...anyways taco i dont want this to end up in a useless fanboy war :)...i agree with everything apart from the app store and webkit browser as i am sure nokia n95 which predates the iphone had them and others also had app store but apple single handedly mainstreamed the app store, theres no denying that....but i still standby the fact that the apple homecreen is just the app draw of phones that existed before....but just as apple deserve credit so do others...android took cues from ios and added many good features of its own...if it was a direct copy of ios 1.0 then it would not have had the notification bar.multi tasking,widgets etc etc but ios5 also took cues from android and other os's...so i think its unfair of you to say that android is just a rip off of ios otherwise it would be much more limited than it was....end of the day all this copying ideas and improving upon is only good for us...basically ios kept it simple and refined and have been adding features slowly where as android added many features and have been slowly been refining it...the two just took opposite approach..
46. AppleFanboy (Posts: 142; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)
this is dumb man, iOS didn't need a dual core phone, it's simple, (I'm a car guy so I use a lot of car analogies), it's like putting the vk56 v8 engine off of a Nissan Titan into a Nissan 240sx, obviously the 240sx will be faster because it is physically lighter, yet with the old 4 cylinder engine, it would still have been able to keep up with the Titan due to weight, in comparison, iOS is a lot simpler than Android OS, therefore not needing a dual core processor, now that it has one, it'll run a lot better than an Android phone will due to it's OS complexity, it's more customizable, therefore making it a more complex OS...in conclusion, the iPhone doesn't need a dual core processor, now that it is getting one, it'll be a nice extra uppgrade :)
47. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)
@ Taco. Popularized, but didn't invent! All great features you listed, but again, not one of which Apple invented or is suing for. What are the sue for??? Flat screens and rounded edges, also none of which they invented!
Honestly, how long are you going to ride Apple's success? People here, including Android fans, give iOS and Apple the respect they deserve for their innovation. But you would rather cut your tounge out before you give Android any kind of recognition. Android users are always discussing the pros and cons of all Android devices and the OS itself, but as soon as anyone has something to say about the iPhone, iOS fans go nuts! Yes, it happens with Android fans as well, but it's most iOS fans arrogance of thinking that iOS is perfect that fuels the fire! Show us your human! Say you would like to see a widget. Or you wished the iPhone 5 was LTE, or flash for goodness sake! Anything to shows us that you are not the iSheep that people claim you all to be!
53. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
So how many phones had pinch to zoom and a webkit browser before the iPhone was releases?
60. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
Apple was the first to implement multi touch in phones but invent I dont think so lol dont know who did but am sure if I Google'd it ill find it...what I do know is that Microsoft showed multiple touch scree before apple on a product I think called a surface which essentially was a table with a built in multi touch screen....as for webkit I am sure that my n95 had it which predates the iphone...but like I always said apple did it well and popularized it.
52. remixfa (Posts: 14178; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
taco, your tired and incorrect list has been disproven time and time again. lol
31. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
There needs to be a silence or ignore button on here....
56. biophone (Posts: 1896; Member since: 15 Jun 2011)
Some copying of os is bound to happen. For example things like app store how are they supposed to offer something similar to that without copying. Apple offering discrete notifications I mean come on how are they supposed to offer discrete notifications without copying android. Design though I feel you can offer something different UI wise and hardware wise.
51. remixfa (Posts: 14178; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the elongated button is just a stretched out blackberry button. Its the same "gesture" button blackberries have been using since they got rid of the trackball.. lol
another "apple invention" they are probably gonna sue RIM for.. lol
4. JD (unregistered)
Patent suits for actual IP infringement would be understandable, however, many of these suits regarding look, feel and/or design are pointless. Apple is suing Samsung because they claim their products "look" the same. There are a number of phones and tablets the have a similar appearance, but Apple is only suing Samsung for alleged infringement. Apple didn't create the 1st rectangular smartphone. They did bring a great product to the market, however, so did a lot of other companies, all of which are rectangular. Just like computers, monitors, TV, landline phones, there's a standard "appearance" however, it should be the technology inside that matters. You don't see lawsuits between companies for creating a widescreen TV or laptop, it's a "standard" not innovation. Let the people have a choice of products and decide which is best for them, not limit choice because of a look, whether it be shape or the the fact that someone put an envelope in an icon for email, etc. It's a universal standard appearance, not innovation.
36. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
thats what many people dont see is that somethings are standards...if there was no such things then every tv manufacturer would be suing eacother,every car maker could be suing eacother but thankfully its not like that otherwise we would not have the choices we have today...like you said infringing on technology is right but suing for such standard shape for a certain product is ludicrous.
39. Knicknevin (Posts: 138; Member since: 18 Mar 2011)
I'm going to list possible schematics for a superphone on a napkin and then sue someone when they come out with it!
6. Deluxe (unregistered)
Lawsuits should should only happen when real patent infringement happens. They should neverhappen in cases like apple (or anyone else) going like "AHHHHHHHHHH (insert name of company) IS SOMEHOW COPYING US. WELL THEY AREN'T REALLY BUT LETS TRY TO CONVINCE COURTS THEY ARE SO THEIR TABLETS AND PHONES CAN'T BE SOLD AND WE HAVE LESS COMPETITION TO WORRY ABOUT."
In other words, they shouldn't be used to beat competition, but to protect one's own IP.
10. jagan (unregistered)
of course these should be stopped. We are fighting to stop nuclear weapons and wars. Why not for these? i agree every company has unique design, they can let others used under patent not fighting like kids for candy
11. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)
I think that if you took the time and money to patent something.. then you should cash in your investment... the cell phone industry grew so much that lots of companies took advantages that there was no control on patent infringements...so now we have play by the rules....
12. hepresearch (unregistered)
The corporations who make this stuff do not lose anything, they just raise prices. Thus, they have to lay people off or pay their employees less at the same time they are reducing production because demand is lower since people are not as willing to fork over the higher pricepoint for the same product with less variation and choice. The lawyers clearly win. Everyone who doesn't run a corporation, invests in a copy-catting corporation, or isn't a lawyer, clearly loses; and the lawyers and ex-copy-catting-CEO's end up getting hired as do-nothing managing directors on "innovative" corporate boards when they retire from law practice or copy-catting.
Innovators, copy-cats, and lawyers... living together!
13. s (unregistered)
I think these bs just need to stop .if they had took the time and investment into phone development from suing everyone they would probably have came up with something new ...smartphones these days all looks pretty much the same they are all rectangles for example
16. Stuntman (Posts: 784; Member since: 01 Aug 2011)
It's one thing to cause prices to go up a bit to pay for the rights. It's another thing to simply prevent customers from getting the products that they want. The latest ones from Apple and Samsung if successful, will keep customers who want those devices from getting them.
17. tonyv (unregistered)
The stupidity of these lawsuits is matched by the need for this article.
Slow news day?
18. darth8ball (Posts: 519; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)
I want to see the lawsuits stop. But at some point, in the US at least, the government is a little to blame. With the amount of time it takes the FCC to clear devices for sale, can't patent infringement at least on a partial scale be stopped at the pre-sale stage?
Also Samsung trying to ban iPhone sales is as wrong as Apple tryng to ban the Galaxy line. But IMO it is a legal manuver not a Corporate move.
37. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
agree with you 100% they should have someone in the FCC to see if a device infringes on any patents if so it should be sorted out before the said device is announced.
19. RORYREVOLUTION (Posts: 3042; Member since: 12 Jan 2010)
This whole patent war is just legal bullying and flat out childish. Hey lets not welcome competition and just sue the hell out of everyone. It needs to end already, spend less time in courts and more time trying to make better products.
20. JoeFromLA (unregistered)
Don't forget to put arrow from Apple to kid in new york for selling white iphone cases
29. darth8ball (Posts: 519; Member since: 02 Aug 2011)
Yeah not many people but you and I talk of that DISGUSTING matter.
21. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5955; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Well, for the people holding patents, the patent war has actually been good news. There is a bit of a boom in the market for patents right now. A year ago, the market for patents was dead. Now, companies are actively looking to add to their patent portfolio.
22. Opensourceror (unregistered)
Believe it or not: in the USA ~100 years ago a guy got "a vehicle on 4 wheels powered by mechanical means" patented...
(Later this patent was overruled being "too generic". Wise judge :-) ).
IMHO _only_ really NEW fysical inventions (!=software) should be patentable.
(Ha, ha - only) serious, one can hardly write a single line program code without "violating" some patenttroll's "IP". "Interlectual" Property: yeah right - my **** !
Patenttrolls > /dev/null
25. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Suing a company for infringing is understandable most of the time. Companies have to protect their designs and IPs, but this whole issue of banning products and seeing each other's unreleased products just goes too far. Especially when you have to use photoshop to MAKE the other guys products look more like your own! (Not gonna mention any names here, but I think you guys know what incident I'm referring to.)
30. andro. (Posts: 1971; Member since: 16 Sep 2011)
none of this patent rubbish would be around if apple hadn't released the same exact phone as a new product several years in a row,fooled its suscepitible slaves into buying each time,then lose to a better and more popular os rival,then fail to try to compete with its bigger rival and so decide to sue instead.
An APPLE can be rotten and have worms inside......islaves will still eat it anyhow!
32. jroc74 (Posts: 5192; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Do I want it to end?? YESS!!!
Whats amazing is with some time and apps one could probably take a recent mobile phone and make it look and act alot like iOS. Not sure about Blackberry, know you can with Android, probably the old Win Mo too.
Is Apple gonna go after theme makers, home replacement makers too?
38. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
if apple were really against the copying of the look and feel and os mimicking etc they would go after theme makers and all those apple rip offs etc but they only seem to be going after anything that is considered a threat...also if they really hated the idea of copying then they would not have copied anything in ios 5 and everything in io5 would be fresh...it just shows the hypocrisy in apple...lol this is good for customers though as the features copied are actually really good and i personally cant wait to get ios5 on my ip4 and also gives me less reason to jailbreak...found it diffiicult to use the ip4 without jailbreak as it lacks quite a few things
42. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Apple has to deal with knock offs constantly. They just shut down some stores in New York that were selling unauthorized Apple accessories.
45. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
thats good to hear but why are they not suing or am i wrong and they are suing...still though if they think touchwiz is copying then they should also sue all those developers who create themes and launchers that have 4 docks and side scrolling menu...lol literally they have themes called iphone theme etc so it would be a guaranteed win for apple....i just find it wiered that if they felt so strongly that people are copying them then they should sue everyone...hopefully they dont though..i just want the lawsuits to end to be honest..
48. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)
No, actually Apple settled with those stores. The store owners just had to hand over everything that had the Apple name or logo to Apple, I'm guessing so that they could be destroyed.
Either way, that was a classly move on Apple's part.
62. Whateverman (Posts: 3233; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Classy...don't know where the heck that "L" came from.