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Do you want the Patent War to end?

Posted: , by Ray S.

Do you want the Patent War to end?

Nowadays, it's starting to get more of a norm for companies to sue themselves over various patent infringements; some reasonable, others not so much. The questions is, what number of those cases we'd consider reasonable and needed. We've already expressed our predominantly negative stance towards the Patent War that happens to be waged with full force now, but we've also been having this little feeling inside telling us that most of you aren't quite happy with what's going on as well. That's why we though it would be interesting to ask you to express your opinion on the matter with your votes.


Do you feel that the Patent War needs to end, or rather, are convinced that there's much sense in it? Will it stimulate innovation by forcing companies to think of their own approaches to certain problems, or will it actually harm innovation by forcing companies to spend too much resources on pointless lawsuits?


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Do you want the Patent War to end?
84.24%
898 votes
(898 votes) Absolutely, these lawsuits are pointless and a waste of time!
11.35%
121 votes
(121 votes) It should go on - those who infringe on patents must get what they deserve!
4.41%
47 votes
(47 votes) Not really sure.

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posted on 20 Sep 2011, 11:03 6

1. haikallp (unregistered)


Totally! These lawsuits are pointless. The only people who win are the lawyers. It also hampers innovation and evolution. Pointless!

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 11:51 6

7. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


hey PA,
just wanted to point out, that you forgot to connect samsung and apple together as lawsuits. :)

an amazing neglection as the news is dominated by apple-samsung drama..lol

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 11:10 8

2. Muhannad (Posts: 455; Member since: 20 Sep 2011)


It's only Apple that needs to stop.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 11:41 2

5. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


can you see that graphic?

apple is responsible for TWO of those arrows. I know its much, much more complicated than that, but without apple's lawsuits ALL of this would still be going on.

i really hope this was just mindless trolling and not all around mindless.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 11:52 8

8. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


arrows are missing. notice how there isnt arrows going back n forth between samsung n apple? that graphic is not complete. Also, didnt apple sue ZTE this year at some point as well?

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 13:25 3

28. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


its just old. my point is, take away what apple is responsible for and you still have the exact same problem.

this site is plagued with fandroids calling apple the devil and blaiming them for all mobile legal action since the invention of the walkie talkie. apple is incredibly far from being the main culprit. there isnt one.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 14:22 1

33. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


apple may not be suing the most but they have more than that chart suggest but i think that apple are the only one who dont want loyalties but actually ban a product...the actual suing dont bother me but trying to ban a product i dont agree with as it takes away choices from us...many people use to and still think microsoft were bad but atleast they dont try and ban products whic actually says something...hopefully this back and forth between samsung/htc etc and apple leads to an out of court settlement and let the consumers decide which we want.

posted on 21 Sep 2011, 01:57

57. Ray.S (Posts: 339; Member since: 19 Jul 2011)


Hey, the picture is just for illustration purposes. It's not an actual representation of all the lawsuits that are going on.

posted on 21 Sep 2011, 11:29

61. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


lol, unfortunately as you can see, most apple fans have taken this as "law".. lol. need a huge disclaimer up there in bright shiney letters saying its not an accurate picture.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 11:53 5

9. hepresearch (unregistered)


the infographic is a little out-of-date... Apple is now responsible for a few more at this point than are shown, but, notice that NOKIA is responsible for waaaay more of the suits in the infographic. Granted the graphic is still out-of-date, but it just shows that fanboys will find any excuse to throw blame on their perceived immediate opponent rather than the actual majority culprit...

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 12:19 1

15. box (unregistered)


Nokia also has about 18 times the number of patents apple does (last I heard), and they're more or less legit and either self-developed or purchased from the developing company or individual, rather than the vague and/or BAU patents apple got somehow, and tries to sue for every slight possible infringement even when the "infringement" is covered by another company's patent and/or IP predating apple's patent.Granted, apple does have some legit patents of its own, but few are very innovative or industry-breaking

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 13:23 1

27. ayephoner (Posts: 850; Member since: 09 Jun 2009)


you're trying to be nonbiased and failing miserably.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 15:30 1

40. RVM (unregistered)


well... he's not.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 20:44

50. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


this infographic is so dated its irrelevant. if it was up to date, there would be many more arrows coming and going from apple.

people get on apple because they sue to ban products and protect market position instead of innovate.. everyone else is suing for valid patent complains.

if you look at apples court record, it loses 90% of the time its sued and wins less than half.

posted on 21 Sep 2011, 04:05

58. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 813; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)


I get the apple suing samsung for design etc infringement. . . But in regards of them suing HTC is hypocrisy & Bul***it. . .

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 16:10 1

43. joseg81 (Posts: 194; Member since: 15 Jul 2011)


that graphic needs to be updated and apple needs to stop cuz in the public eye they look like the bully going after everybody. the way i see it they only wanna get rid of everybody else take all the profits, they don't want competition. i've said it before n i'll say it again they need to redesign they're phone and overhaul they're ui. it's getting tired already.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 11:23 2

3. Knicknevin (Posts: 150; Member since: 18 Mar 2011)


All the money that companies are spending to file these lawsuits could be used to R&D or lower the prices on the phones...cough cough.
Ya hear that!!!
Take half your legal budget and put it into R&D and people will just stop buying their phones!!

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 12:16 1

14. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Or they will just copy your product once you bring it to market

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 12:53

23. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Yeah, like how the "elongated" menu bottom was copied from original Galaxy S2. I know what you mean.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 12:57 3

24. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Or how android is one big copy of iOS

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 13:09 5

26. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


Your right! That whole customization thing...that's all iOS. LOL! If you think about it, all iOS consist of is one large grid. The exact same kind of grid you would find on Palm OS, BB OS, and every OS befor it. So if not for Apple and Google copying all these pioneer smartphone OS's, there would be no iOS or Android either, now would it?

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 14:26 2

35. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


agree with you ios is just the menu of many feature/smartphones prior iphone...i give apple credit for mainstreaming the smartphone and all touch screens but thats all...

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 15:53 2

41. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Let's see

multi touch
kinetic scrolling
finger touch interface
pinch to zoom
swipe gestures
app store
webkit browser

To name a few things that Apple's iPhone revolutionized or popularized in the market. No matter how much hate your heart is filled with Apple changed the smartphone market and android is playing follow the leader.

Sure they added features that the iPhone doesn't have, but the concept their using is taken from the iPhone.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 16:30

44. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


android playing follow the leader?....i think its more like apple is playing follow the leader cause it seems like they are just catching up with all the dual core android phones...anyways taco i dont want this to end up in a useless fanboy war :)...i agree with everything apart from the app store and webkit browser as i am sure nokia n95 which predates the iphone had them and others also had app store but apple single handedly mainstreamed the app store, theres no denying that....but i still standby the fact that the apple homecreen is just the app draw of phones that existed before....but just as apple deserve credit so do others...android took cues from ios and added many good features of its own...if it was a direct copy of ios 1.0 then it would not have had the notification bar.multi tasking,widgets etc etc but ios5 also took cues from android and other os's...so i think its unfair of you to say that android is just a rip off of ios otherwise it would be much more limited than it was....end of the day all this copying ideas and improving upon is only good for us...basically ios kept it simple and refined and have been adding features slowly where as android added many features and have been slowly been refining it...the two just took opposite approach..

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 17:22

46. AppleFanboy (Posts: 142; Member since: 07 Jun 2011)


this is dumb man, iOS didn't need a dual core phone, it's simple, (I'm a car guy so I use a lot of car analogies), it's like putting the vk56 v8 engine off of a Nissan Titan into a Nissan 240sx, obviously the 240sx will be faster because it is physically lighter, yet with the old 4 cylinder engine, it would still have been able to keep up with the Titan due to weight, in comparison, iOS is a lot simpler than Android OS, therefore not needing a dual core processor, now that it has one, it'll run a lot better than an Android phone will due to it's OS complexity, it's more customizable, therefore making it a more complex OS...in conclusion, the iPhone doesn't need a dual core processor, now that it is getting one, it'll be a nice extra uppgrade :)

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 18:56

47. Whateverman (Posts: 3271; Member since: 17 May 2009)


@ Taco. Popularized, but didn't invent! All great features you listed, but again, not one of which Apple invented or is suing for. What are the sue for??? Flat screens and rounded edges, also none of which they invented!

Honestly, how long are you going to ride Apple's success? People here, including Android fans, give iOS and Apple the respect they deserve for their innovation. But you would rather cut your tounge out before you give Android any kind of recognition. Android users are always discussing the pros and cons of all Android devices and the OS itself, but as soon as anyone has something to say about the iPhone, iOS fans go nuts! Yes, it happens with Android fans as well, but it's most iOS fans arrogance of thinking that iOS is perfect that fuels the fire! Show us your human! Say you would like to see a widget. Or you wished the iPhone 5 was LTE, or flash for goodness sake! Anything to shows us that you are not the iSheep that people claim you all to be!

posted on 21 Sep 2011, 01:19

53. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


So how many phones had pinch to zoom and a webkit browser before the iPhone was releases?

posted on 21 Sep 2011, 10:34

60. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)


Apple was the first to implement multi touch in phones but invent I dont think so lol dont know who did but am sure if I Google'd it ill find it...what I do know is that Microsoft showed multiple touch scree before apple on a product I think called a surface which essentially was a table with a built in multi touch screen....as for webkit I am sure that my n95 had it which predates the iphone...but like I always said apple did it well and popularized it.

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 20:46 1

52. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


taco, your tired and incorrect list has been disproven time and time again. lol

posted on 20 Sep 2011, 14:16 2

31. jroc74 (Posts: 6015; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)


There needs to be a silence or ignore button on here....

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