Apple adds Jelly Bean, Samsung GALAXY Note 10.1 and Samsung GALAXY Nexus in latest patent suit
allegedly infringe on Apple patents. According to Apple attorney Andrew Liao, these 17 devices should be added to Apple's claims because they can support a stylus even though none of them shipped with one. Amongst the 17 is the Samsung GALAXY Nexus, which Apple says is the only Android device with Jelly Bean that it will add to the suit. Samsung attorney Victoria Maroulis says the Korean firm is against adding the stylus enabled devices to the suit, stating that it will "enlarge the case significantly." She also pointed out that while Apple wants to add 17 devices, Samsung wants to add just one, the Apple iPhone 5. Judge Lucy Koh previously placed a preliminary injunction against the Samsung GALAXY Nexus, a decision that was overturned by an appeals court that said that Judge Koh absued her discretion.
Judge Grewal didn't issue a ruling today, fearing that if both sides requests were denied, it would lead to a number of new lawsuits. Grewal did say that the trial that these requests are being made for, won't start until 2014. But plenty of action will be going on next month in the same courthouse in San Jose. On December 6th, Judge Lucy Koh, who presided over the earlier patent lawsuit between Samsung and Apple, will hear some post trial motions including Apple's request to add to the amount of the verdict, Samsung's request for a new trial based on juror misconduct, and Apple's request for permanent bans in the U.S. for 8 Samsung smartphones and the Samsung GALAXY Tab 10.1. Judge Koh removed a preliminary injunction against the tablet after the jury did not find that it had infringed on Apple's design patents.
25. Kronic (banned) (Posts: 321; Member since: 11 Sep 2012)
Oh yeah!!! Kill them all! Burn all platforms! Sue the crap out of everyone else! (Sarcastic ) have they ever considered all of this money on R and D? These actions will only make people hate them.
39. abdane (Posts: 483; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
apple is pathetic. that's what i got to say...
66. PhenomFaz (Posts: 1134; Member since: 26 Sep 2012)
Apple's lawsuits are going down the drain in recent times...and Apple can add whatever they want to the list...it wont change anything...Apple'll still bow down to The King of Kings...Android Baby!
And Apple shouldn't get its a$$ up to where its head in the other place...winning against sammy was just one thing...you take on the entire android community!...and Google!...how dare Apple? If google actually came down to suing Apple...then the only thing Apple'll be fit for is producing canned fruit!
70. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3135; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
You know what?
God should sue 'Apple' for using the name Apple and making the sweet fruit so sour!!
I wonder if He's listening...
First i liked Apple products, thought they were cool (i still think they are, just not the best), then had mixed feelings with them, now i'm really starting to hate every inch of Apple real estate!!
97. Kronic (banned) (Posts: 321; Member since: 11 Sep 2012)
Let me make things clear. I did not say apple products suck I mean to say their anti-competitor strategy sucks. Apple products are awesome and nothing is gonna change that fact.
31. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)
but you have to thank to all the st*pids who have bought Apple product
its simple, boycott everything Apple represents and say why....send it on Facebook, Google Plus, Twitter......you can do a lot
47. AnTuTu (Posts: 1108; Member since: 14 Oct 2012)
I don't want to live on this planet anymore :(
93. Reluctant_Human (Posts: 869; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)
One of my favorite Futurama quotes hahaha.
69. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Apple never ceases to amaze. As Bill Clinton was fond of saying on the campaign trail (I am paraphrasing) - '...that takes brass....'
Separately, I am wondering how Apple gets Android added to the lawsuit. So far, Google is not a party to the lawsuit. Google is the licensor of Android, so any ban on JB would normally require the licensor of JB to be a party to the suit.
How Apple gets to stylus' infringing patents should be interesting to watch. I have a distinct memory of a stylus being part of the Palm Treo 650. That would seem to cause Apple some problems with invalidity of any patent they claim to assert against an implementation of stylus functionality by Sammy.
Time to load up on popcorn and beer for the round of entertainment.
78. jroc74 (Posts: 5258; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
This is what has me confused too. Arent they going after Google by adding JB to the lawsuit?
I asked this question when MS was trying to sue manufactures for Google Maps. I think thats what MS gets the license fee for.
I just dont get it....
98. garz_pa (Posts: 154; Member since: 03 Nov 2011)
They can't sue Google because they're not selling Android.
101. jroc74 (Posts: 5258; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
So....if phone manufactures gave away all their phones for free....they cant be sued?
I still dont get it. And doesnt make sense.
If I take your idea.....and just give it away....aren't you still losing money?
Someone else tried to explain it and basically said the same thing you did. It still doesnt make sense.
2. Allen3697 (Posts: 86; Member since: 26 Mar 2012)
They want to sue because they can use a stylus even though they don't ship with one? SMH.
23. someones4 (Posts: 622; Member since: 16 Sep 2012)
Yes. They just have the patents. They do not develop any working product.
Mxyzptlk will now come out with some bs about intellectual property and FRAND patents.
88. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3135; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
Newsflash: Mxyzptlk took a long vacation after reading the headline. Won't be back before he comments. :D
79. jroc74 (Posts: 5258; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
This....is beyond ridiculous....
Yea....I agree with another poster....I'm actually speechless now....
4. frayo (unregistered)
I don't even know what to say....
5. nobelset (Posts: 270; Member since: 17 Oct 2012)
They sued the inventor of mobile phones, Motorola. Can you believe that? I hope every company comes together and pwn apple's ass.
7. Izzy_V (Posts: 216; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
apple is biting way more than it can chew but having the deepest pockets on the planet sure helps I bet.
Samsung, Google, and every other victim of these stupidly unjustified lawsuits are going to take such a massive dump on apple one of these days that it'll remove the word "patent" from its dictionary.
9. cncrim (Posts: 629; Member since: 15 Aug 2011)
Apple will stop if Samsung win ban iphone in NA.
10. ilia1986 (unregistered)
Apple is getting desperate. Pathetic. And sad.
11. Bernoulli (Posts: 2204; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
So let me get this straight, apple is suing a company because it supports a stylus, didn't hp develop a device with stylus back in 2006? If judge koh approves of this silly thing ill go with everyone in town to boycott apple
12. rsxl5 (Posts: 65; Member since: 05 Sep 2012)
To charge somebody because some end users may use stylus (that is not included) with the device..
Well, guns should be banned because you can add silencer to it...
... everyday use stuff that could be used to make Molotov's cocktail should be banned as well...
... notebooks should be banned - you may install Linux instead of Holy iOS....
.... maybe I should be charged for rape...
... I have a stylus and potentially I could use it (even worse, I'm shipped with it...).
Maybe next Apple's application is to be mix of Minority Report and Matrix to guard people from themselves, to let them pay for innovations like new iOS maps and let them glorify the Apple's Holy Name.
The more I read about Apple the less likely I'll get one any Apple's products even if it's the only solution on the earth... just don't like bully's attitude.
Viva Mexico where smart iFone people live.
54. kanagadeepan (Posts: 756; Member since: 24 Jan 2012)
".... maybe I should be charged for rape...
... I have a stylus and potentially I could use it (even worse, I'm shipped with it...)."
LOL... EPIC one...
84. JunitoNH (Posts: 1185; Member since: 15 Feb 2012)
.......Maybe you should get your head examined. Every analogy you made involves violence......maybe there are some oppressive memories apples bring forth. I just hope you live somewhere in the Midwest.
87. rsxl5 (Posts: 65; Member since: 05 Sep 2012)
Well... notebook with installed Linux doesn't fit into the violent category OR maybe my imagination here was not vivid enough :)
Anyway, have a good evening or a day and stay peaceful even if what I wrote influence you in some way :)
13. moronman66 (Posts: 160; Member since: 09 Jan 2012)
You're kidding me, right? Stylus' have been around since the original PDAs man, which Apple didn't invent, correct me if I'm wrong. If they did invent the almighty stylus, then they need to sue a lottt more people, and that would absolutely prove beyond any argument that anyone has that Apple is just suing because they're scared of competition.
14. Sniggly (Posts: 7230; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Um. Why is Apple suing over these devices that support styluses? Apple hates styluses. Furthermore, Jelly Bean is specifically designed in some ways to NOT infringe on Apple patents such as pinch to zoom.
15. redsox420 (Posts: 90; Member since: 27 Aug 2012)
Seriously Jelly Bean? When you fail to innovate, and develop new ideas, you instead litigate. Big Fruity is wasting money. The one suit they did win will be thrown out either by Judge Koh or in the 9th Circuit for juror misconduct.
They, Big Fruity have lost almost every major case outside of America. Its because our justice system caters to the rich and can afford the most.
Big Fruity complaining about a device that can use a stylus, yet NONE, NONE not 1, not a single one of their devices use a stylus. You can buy a stylus to use to tap the screen and thats it. The S-Pen is vastly different than ANYTHING that tree fruit came up with.
Big Fruity your market share in America is dwindling. You just came out with a 4 inch screen. Others have had 4 inch screens for at least 2-3 years. So why don't they sue you for infringement of screen size? Please just let others compete. Clearly nothing the Note line does your machines do. Half of your products contain Samsung products anyways. Including that precious Iphoney5, imaxipad and imaximinipad.
Enjoy your wasted billions Big Fruity. I'll enjoy my Note 2 soon. I suspect Big Fruity will eat itself within 10 years.
16. joeneka (Posts: 11; Member since: 14 Sep 2012)
ALL APPLE DOES IS F ING SUIT, GO GET UR s**t TOGETHER AND INNOVATE PISS ME OFF.
17. phil2n (Posts: 483; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
if judge Koh approves this, I will bombed cupertino. and yes i,m trolling
19. androiddownsouth (Posts: 598; Member since: 02 May 2012)
And Apple supporters wonder why so many people that prefer Android have so much disdain for Apple and it's business practices.......
PLEASE STOP THIS BULL$H*T!!!!!!
I really need to go to law school and become a patent lawyer. I've already got my Business degree........
21. androiddownsouth (Posts: 598; Member since: 02 May 2012)
That's it. I've had enough. I said before I didn't want to see any products get banned, but I've changed my mind. Apple has gone too far. I hope Samsung gets the iPhone 5 banned just b/c they continue this patent litigation bullsh**.
22. guzza (Posts: 15; Member since: 06 Nov 2012)
Did it ever occur to anyone that all these lawsuits are just advertisements for both these companies? Everyone is talking about Apple & Samsung these days.
29. androiddownsouth (Posts: 598; Member since: 02 May 2012)
Yeah but only ppl like Myx talk about Apple with anything good to say. This is pissing off far more people about Apple than making people like them, from what I see and hear. Even every day customers have heard about all this crap.
102. jroc74 (Posts: 5258; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
You do make a point. But this is Apple we talking about. If they could...they would gather every other phone, manufacture and ship them off to Mars.
26. yazbuh (Posts: 28; Member since: 21 Jun 2012)
Maybe apple should also file a case of banning android because they might port siri into it...
28. StanleyG88 (Posts: 123; Member since: 15 Mar 2012)
I can use my iPhone as a paperweight, I sure hope the patent holder of paperweights does not sue the Fruit Company.
30. scifan (Posts: 6; Member since: 16 Aug 2012)
Apple's going full idiot with this... they already had one patent revoked in the patent office... had a lawsuit on FRAND costs dropped...
I think someone's getting some very bad advise, and I don't think they've fully considered the damage they've already done to their global image... and they're only making worse.
I personally don't purchase Apple products... and the rate that they're going, I'm probably not going to be buying any in the near future...
32. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
Apple is just protecting their investment,,, thats what Samsung get for acting but hurt and suing for LTE patents...
33. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)
Apple has started that, so Apple does not protect anything....they just want to destroy competition through law.....not able to innovate so litigate
36. androiddownsouth (Posts: 598; Member since: 02 May 2012)
You'd be butthurt too if you got some dumb lawsuit judgement against you for "rectangle with rounded corners" and "slide to unlock" gallito. Samsung's LTE patents are far more legit than those dumba** patents, so, iPhone 5, GET READY FOR THE PAIN!
53. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
i would blame the patent system for approving such ridiculous patents....
57. androiddownsouth (Posts: 598; Member since: 02 May 2012)
No, I wouldn't say the patent system gets all the blame. I'd say 50/50. 50% for Apple for filing such dumba** patents, and 50% to the patent office for giving them the dumba** patents.
Still, Apple is taking advantage of a broken system. Kinda seems a lil like taking advantage of a really drunk chick in a bar. It just ain't right, ya know?
90. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
if i could patent a round circle and live off of it. most of us would.. one can have a crazy and dumb idea but if you get someone to buy into it.. then is not crazy anymore..
62. GeekMovement (Posts: 1872; Member since: 09 Sep 2011)
All of a sudden you blame the patent system because you've ran out of reasons why Apple is not in the wrong.
76. Aeires (unregistered)
Exactly, it's don't hate the player, hate the game now, even though the player is playing dirty, it's the games fault. Apple is a dirty player, simple as that.
91. gallitoking (Posts: 4704; Member since: 17 May 2011)
you think all companies play fair, you need to wake up. they all play dirty it just that Apple is a succesful company.
95. GeekMovement (Posts: 1872; Member since: 09 Sep 2011)
Yeah right. Where it's true that all companies are businesses and money is indeed one of their main goal, Apple just takes all the wrong actions to make itself a saint while attacking every other companies unreasonably claiming they invented everything and everyone else is just stealing when it's not true.
It's funny how your answers have been changing from:
Apple is doing nothing wrong just protecting itself while Samsung is to blame,
to blaming the patent system,
and now finally you realize that Apple is playing dirty. It has a lot of money so what? Apple is not the only successful company and if it keeps being like this (which it probably will), it's not going to be successful for long.
I think you're the one who needs to "wake up."
81. jroc74 (Posts: 5258; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
Apple and their stylus patents....yea....I actually laughed out loud typing this..
Samsung and LTE patents. You tell me, which one was actually in use?
There is no way in the world anyone can defend this...madness.
96. Droiddoes (unregistered)
Damn son, you were SOOOOOO close to forming a complete sentence, so close. Keep hitting those flash cards and phoenics workbooks and who knows, in a year or two you may be able to put together a whole paragraph!