WSJ: FBI able to remotely turn-on Android and laptop microphones
The effort has grown to respond to the increased use of new technology and services by those that venture on the wrong side of the law, such as various online chats and the myriad of encryption products available to all consumers.
The methodology is familiar to many of us who read about technology in the mobile sector and the feds either develop the solution in-house, or buy products from third party vendors. The FBI in particular also “hires people who have hacking skill, and they purchase tools that are capable of doing these things. When you do, it’s because you don’t have any other choice.”
There are advocates and opponents on the issue as you might expect. However, using common sense makes some of the methods ineffective, as one of them involves sending an email to a suspect’s computer with an attachment that would install software (malware) to gather information. Take it for what it is, but this kind of discrete surveillance is reportedly used very sparingly and with a warrant, not like a dragnet of bulk data that the NSA farms through.
source: The Wall Street Journal
1. nobelset (Posts: 270; Member since: 17 Oct 2012)
Well they do need a warrant... But these kinds of things are starting to freak me out.
6. PotDragon (banned) (Posts: 214; Member since: 22 Jul 2011)
Wake up. Seriously.
You think ANY device passes FCC approval in 2013 without a backdoor for the government BUILT IN? They target you, then you can be tracked.
It has been PUBLIC INFORMATION for years that they can use a cell phone as a listening device if the battery is installed; no need for device to be turned on.
To pretend they need hackers is beyond foolish. To think they don't employ the best already is naive. To believe you have any warent protections is ludicrous.
Those targeted carry dumb phones with the battery removed or they are caught. Period.
7. nobelset (Posts: 270; Member since: 17 Oct 2012)
And to think a country with 300 million+ people is doing nothing to stop it. :-)
17. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)
300 million+ people need to do this.
11. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5993; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
As Pot says, "...to believe you have any warent [sic] protections is ludicrous."
As I have been commenting since the Snowden leaks broke, there is no 4th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. If you want to not be tracked, remove the battery from your device. Is anyone wondering why more and more phones are being built with non-removable batteries?
14. RaKithAPeiRiZ (Posts: 1436; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)
i think the best solution is to go for some older hardware , eg - g nexus instead of the nexus 4 , as they say , old is gold ..........but sad to say , tablets have no removeable battery option
20. Dr.Phil (Posts: 981; Member since: 14 Feb 2011)
Obtaining a warrant is about as easy these days as getting a ticket to Disneyland. FISA courts give out warrants pretty readily these days, and also they don't have to notify you immediately about a warrant taken out against you until days after they've already collected the necessary data from you.
2. ZeroCide (Posts: 714; Member since: 09 Jan 2013)
This reminds me of that stupid FBI moneygram virus.
3. xperiaDROID (banned) (Posts: 5629; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)
Scared of the FBI? No worries!
But they can't hack it right away, they need a warrant right?
4. Shatter (Posts: 2036; Member since: 29 May 2013)
Their supposed to have a warrant before invading your privacy but that doesn't mean their going to listen to the law.
25. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 3135; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
Are we talking about the FBI versus the US only or the FBI versus the world?
29. johnbftl (Posts: 256; Member since: 09 Jun 2012)
The Federal Bureau of Investigation only has jurisdiction in legal matters pertaining to crimes occurring within U.S. boundaries. Anything occurring outside of the U.S. has to be turned over to the Central Intelligence Agency. As is with the FBI, the CIA only has jurisdiction to operate outside of U.S. borders.
5. AfterShock (Posts: 3698; Member since: 02 Nov 2012)
I fail to see how wp an iOS are not vulnerable to the same type of attack and call scaremongering on WSJ against android.
8. khaledmhawesh (Posts: 38; Member since: 14 Mar 2013)
I really dont care im not gonna kill any one so it doesnt mind I dont care if they'll know me at home our at my grandparents house :p
10. RaKithAPeiRiZ (Posts: 1436; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)
they dont want you , they want your freedom ,
16. roscuthiii (Posts: 1887; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
Freedom has been an illusion since Man first picked up pointy sticks and heavy rocks.
9. bparkerson (unregistered)
Advice...Best not to do things that would cause a need for them to put you under surveillance. live your life right and it tends to be worry free!
12. RaKithAPeiRiZ (Posts: 1436; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)
lets just say you happen to have a small firearm for domestic protection , or happen to talk some thing against authority or local government , then you automatically become a marked man
13. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 1576; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
No. This is so wrong, it's laughable. What part do you not understand about "inalienable rights"? I would personally rather have two terrorists living on my block than go down this path. THIS is not the U.S.A. I put on a uniform for, and this certainly falls within the military oath to "protect the Constitution from ALL enemies, foreign or domestic." Are you going yo be a good little citizen when they decide what your children need to do for a living, what and where you need to worship, and what you can watch and listen to on a daily basis?
15. RaKithAPeiRiZ (Posts: 1436; Member since: 29 Dec 2011)
the states is slowly becoming the new U.s.s.r
18. roscuthiii (Posts: 1887; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
Anyone else find it odd at all that this is coming the WSJ? I know they do more than just financial news, but the information (or lack thereof) doesn't seem to really be of Wall Street Journal caliber journalism.
22. -box- (Posts: 3959; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)
Page views pay the bills.
Not only that, every newspaper is a business (usually owned by a bigger business like NewsCorp or Fox or Disney), and every business has at least one agenda: make money by selling product. In this case, the product is fear, conspiracy, scaremongering, anger and outrage, with the spin of trying to reveal what the "big bad government" is doing behind closed doors.
28. roscuthiii (Posts: 1887; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
Exactly. Wiser words were never spoken.
Okay, wiser words may have been spoken, but these are definitely in the running for tops of the day.
19. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 1576; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)
"First they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me." - Martin Niemoller
21. gazmatic (Posts: 628; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)
this is not news
they have been doing this since 1995
only now because of snowden has it been given that much scrutiny
nothing you post online. absolutely nothing online is private
the british version of the NSA records EVERY SINGLE WEB TRAFFIC for at least a month before they delete it(if they delete it)
23. jamesedward318 (Posts: 99; Member since: 25 Dec 2010)
Nothing suprieses me anymore espcially after seeing Enemy of the State a few years ago.
26. drnggaj (Posts: 1; Member since: 07 Jan 2010)
they can do it any phone not just andriod because iphone has bulit in battery even if your phone is powered off i like to take my battery once it charged
27. Rayvelynn (Posts: 124; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
problem solved I won't use a smartphone anymore. I barely use it now. Going back to flip phones.