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Sean Penn used BBM to keep in touch with drug kingpin

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BBM was one of the tools used to help actor Sean Penn (L) meet with fugative drug lord Joaquín

BBM was one of the tools used to help actor Sean Penn (L) meet with fugative drug lord Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán Loera


BlackBerry's messaging app. BBM, is getting plenty of free publicity today. Considering the subject matter, the publicity might not be considered completely favorable. Rolling Stone has published actor Sean Penn's story about how he ended up visiting drug kingpin Joaquín "El Chapo" Guzmán Loera while the latter was hiding out from the authorities. Not only is BBM mentioned, Penn wrote how he had to use the Blackphone handset to handle encrypted communications.

Penn admits that he is not a techie, but his account of how he hooked up with the recently captured fugitive contained quite a few references to BBM. In fact, Penn used the messaging app to send a list of questions to "El Chapo," and the service was also used by various players in this real-life drama. For example, Mexican actress Kate del Castillo, who brokered the meeting, used BBM to stay connected to the drug kingpin. The drivers used by "El Chapo" to get Penn to the drug kingpin, relid on mesages sent via BBM to make sure that the route was clear.

BBM had once been a closed app, available to BlackBerry users only. Back in 2013, it was opened to both Android and iOS users. The company has made an effort to spruce up the app by adding discussion groups called Channels, and by selling stickers. While BlackBerry wouldn't be pleased with the reason for BBM's use in the story, the messaging app is receiving tons of free publicity for being included in the Rolling Stone article that everyone is talking about today.

source: RollingStone via Gizmodo

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posted on 10 Jan 2016, 11:11 4

1. meanestgenius (Posts: 11444; Member since: 28 May 2014)


BBM! The preferred messaging app of drug kingpins worldwide!

Lol, seriously, while I'm sure no tech entity would approve of getting publicity for one of their apps in this manner, it is a lot o publicity, nonetheless.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 11:36 2

2. Jango (Posts: 305; Member since: 24 Oct 2014)


But doesn't this story only imply that BBM is not secure and NOT suited for private comms? I'd also like to know how Blackphone fared or whether it too was compromised.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 11:43 8

3. meanestgenius (Posts: 11444; Member since: 28 May 2014)


NOWHERE in this story does it imply that BBM was compromised in any way, shape or form. I really don't see how you came to that conclusion.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 12:53

4. Napalm_3nema (Posts: 2183; Member since: 14 Jun 2013)


Someone's phone was compromised, but they don't say who or what the phone was.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 13:00 1

6. meanestgenius (Posts: 11444; Member since: 28 May 2014)


Yes, that part I read in the original article, and as you said, there wasn't any mention of what type of phone it was. As a matter of fact, the only phone named was Blackphone. BBM is cross platform. It could have been an Android phone, an iPhone or a Windows Phone that was compromised.

posted on 20 Jan 2016, 14:46

60. Jango (Posts: 305; Member since: 24 Oct 2014)


Yet in post 6, you admit that it IS BBM that was compromised. get your story straight or be condemned for fanboyism. SMH... I even asked if Blackphone got compromised but u jumped immaturely and over defensively. Do you accept that it is possible that BBM was compromised, as I inquired in my post 2?

You did a U turn but obviously fooled 8 people that 'liked' your post.

posted on 20 Jan 2016, 16:20 1

61. meanestgenius (Posts: 11444; Member since: 28 May 2014)


I didn't admit BBM was compromised. Learn reading comprehension. I said that BBM is cross platform and it could have been an Android PHONE, an iPHONE, or a Windows PHONE that was compromised. If you compromise the PHONE then you can access anything on it that you want. YOU were the one that prematurely assumed that BBM was compromised, and are just now responding defensively.

I didn't do a "U-turn", you just have a hard time understanding what I type. And no one was fooled. It's pretty obvious that the 8 people that "liked" my post understood what I typed. You clearly did not.

posted on 24 Jan 2016, 22:26

62. Jango (Posts: 305; Member since: 24 Oct 2014)


Just face it... If BBM was secure, you wouldn't need to blame the phone it runs on. Simple. Plus, U turn's a U turn, whichever way you cut it.

If you offer a service, online via a web browser on a desktop, you can't blame the internet for being insecure.

posted on 24 Jan 2016, 23:28 1

63. meanestgenius (Posts: 11444; Member since: 28 May 2014)


What? Do you even hear yourself? So you're trying to say that there was no way that a mobile phone can be compromised? You sound ridiculous. No one made a "U-turn", you just suffer from "I comprehend something totally different from what I read" syndrome. It's called reading comprehension FAIL.

You have no idea what you're talking about concerning BBM. Quit now while you're behind.

posted on 25 Jan 2016, 00:02

64. Jango (Posts: 305; Member since: 24 Oct 2014)


You are a fanboi, we get it. Straw man arguments like falsely suggesting that I am of the view that NO mobile can be compromised is a fail right there.

The BBM service isn't as secure as you think. This El Chapo episode alludes to this. Get an education, will you? Or a job at least.

posted on 25 Jan 2016, 00:14 1

65. meanestgenius (Posts: 11444; Member since: 28 May 2014)


You're an idiot with a dislike for BlackBerry, we get it. It wasn't a "straw man" arguement, it was reasonably deduced from your own words.

There has yet to be any evidence that says that BBM was compromised. This is more of a wet dream of yours. Sorry to ruin it for you. Then again, I'm not.

I find it ironic that you tell me to "get an education" when you're the one with the reading comprehension fail here. Go back to flipping burgers, kid. It's the only thing you're good at besides making yourself look like an idiot.

posted on 26 Jan 2016, 05:42

66. Jango (Posts: 305; Member since: 24 Oct 2014)


When all else fails and you no longer have anything intellectual to add, resort to cheap shots... LOL. Fanboi's can't be reasoned with.

The article says both Chapo and Penn used BBM messenger and were busted despite doing so. In my original post No. 2, I even ask about blackphone too. See below again:

"...I'd also like to know how Blackphone fared or whether IT TOO WAS COMPROMISED"

Come back when you've finished school, son.

posted on 26 Jan 2016, 14:06 1

67. meanestgenius (Posts: 11444; Member since: 28 May 2014)


You're CLEARLY referring to yourself with that first sentence, considering that YOU made the cheap shots first. I guess fanboy's CAN'T be reasoned with. At least you admit that you are one.

The article DID NOT say they were busted using BBM. Again: reading comprehension.

I don't give a $#!t what else you asked about. You're butthurt because I proved you wrong. Apply aloe. It will help.

I'm done with you're illiterate @$$. You can't prove your BS statement, so you continue to reach, like if you say it enough it will be true. Any further response from you will only prove that you're just butthurt and seeking my attention. But by all means, go ahead and prove me right, kid.

posted on 01 Feb 2016, 03:45

68. Jango (Posts: 305; Member since: 24 Oct 2014)


Just listen to yourself... That's a typical sore fanboi reaction. Childish tantrums like the 11 year old you are.

You can't seem to accept the possibility that BBM COULD have flaws and that there are services other than it that are as secure or more secure. Blindly defending your brand like an immature brat. I'm laughing at your petulance you stupid little child. BBM isn't your own business... You don't have to defend it with your life, especially IF flaws in it led to the capture of its service users.

Carry on though. Come back with another raging tantrum, foo!

posted on 01 Feb 2016, 04:14 1

69. meanestgenius (Posts: 11444; Member since: 28 May 2014)


Thanks for proving me right, like I knew you would. And considering that YOU can't:

A: Except the fact that there is NO PROOF that BBM was compromised

B) Started insulting me first, but obviously can't take it when the insults are thrown right back at you

C) Have a typical childish troll reaction when you cannot present any FACTS stating that BBM was compromised

D) Acts as if he's being paid to troll BlackBerry and spread FUD

I'd definitely say that YOU are the one having the "raging tantrum" here, like the insignificant idiot that you are. But do continue to respond and prove me right while I sip on this tea and lmfao at you, kid. :)

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 12:54

5. Arch_Fiend (Posts: 2459; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)


BBM Isn't The Most Secure That's For Sure.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 13:03 3

7. meanestgenius (Posts: 11444; Member since: 28 May 2014)


Which messaging app would you say is the most secure? I have yet to personally encounter a messaging app that has offered more measures of security than BBM.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 13:10 1

8. Punchy506 (Posts: 87; Member since: 10 Jan 2016)


Cyberdust is the most secure messaging app.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 13:12

9. Punchy506 (Posts: 87; Member since: 10 Jan 2016)


From cyberdust- "Your messages are protected from screenshots and disappear after they are read. They are heavily encrypted and never touch a hard drive- not even our own. Once your messages are gone they are truly gone forever never to be recovered."

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 13:49 5

13. meanestgenius (Posts: 11444; Member since: 28 May 2014)


NOTHING is ever "truly gone forever never to be recovered". That being said, I'll stick with BBM Protected. It has government certifications that Cyberdust doesn't. See my comment #12 for more details.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 13:57

14. Punchy506 (Posts: 87; Member since: 10 Jan 2016)


Oh, ignorance. They're gone forever.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 14:00 3

15. meanestgenius (Posts: 11444; Member since: 28 May 2014)


You must be referring to yourself if you truly believe something is "truly gone forever".

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 14:42 5

22. Hexa-core (banned) (Posts: 2131; Member since: 11 Aug 2015)


It can't be gone forever.

Contents can be deleted, but a cache of that data remains. And which could be decrypted if gotten.

It's like on PC, you can't move data to the recycle bin and emptying it, and call that data gone - No!

That data's cache still remains in the hard drive and some part of it in the OS (depending on the type of file).

To make the deleted data "go forever", you should locate it's cache and write over it several times - as much as 100 (yes, a hundred) times!

I mean copy-paste some other non-private data over the cache of that deleted data.

And since you can't do that on a messaging app, - since your data goes through the web - you can't confirm it to be "gone forever!

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 14:52 1

24. meanestgenius (Posts: 11444; Member since: 28 May 2014)


Agreed. I'm well aware that it can't be gone forever. It's this dude that responded to me that believes it's "gone forever".

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 15:33 1

39. Hexa-core (banned) (Posts: 2131; Member since: 11 Aug 2015)


Yeah I know that. That dude needs more knowledge in what he claims.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 13:15 1

10. Arch_Fiend (Posts: 2459; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)


http://www.phonearena.com/news/The-5-most-secure-and-user-friendly-private-messaging-apps-for-iPhone-and-Android_id76294

You Can Also Click On the Source Link In That Article To Check Out A Huge List Of Messaging Apps, BBM Don't Score So Great Just Sayin.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 13:40 1

11. Hexa-core (banned) (Posts: 2131; Member since: 11 Aug 2015)


BBM's security scores great on it's own BB OS platform.
But it's security sucks elsewhere.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 13:40 1

12. meanestgenius (Posts: 11444; Member since: 28 May 2014)


http://bizblog.blackberry.com/2015/03/secure-mobile-messaging-without-compromises/

I've read that article. BBM Protected rates pretty well, and has government certification.

"This BlackBerry innovation effectively prevents ‘man in the middle’ hacker attacks, providing greater security than competing encryption schemes, and earning BBM Protected FIPS 140-2 validation by the U.S. Department of Defense."

Just sayin'.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 14:11

16. Arch_Fiend (Posts: 2459; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)


BBM Isn't Bad, Actually I Use It Myself. Still Tho Its Not The Most Secure But That Doesn't Matter To Me, Not Like I Have Anything To Hide.

Also BBM Protected Seems To Only Be An Enterprise Only Thing

Just Sayin!

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 14:25 1

18. meanestgenius (Posts: 11444; Member since: 28 May 2014)


BBM also has Privacy and Control features that enable further encrypted messaging between users that "expire" once the conversation is over. And only one person needs to initiate for both to be covered.

Just sayin'!

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 16:07 1

42. Arch_Fiend (Posts: 2459; Member since: 03 Oct 2015)


Ok Bro I'll Just Let It Go Cause I Know You Want.......Just Sayin LOL.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 14:31 1

20. meanestgenius (Posts: 11444; Member since: 28 May 2014)


And only one party needs to have BBM Protected for both parties to be covered.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 14:56 1

26. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 12931; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


You'd have to be on drugs to like BBM based on this article.

Kidding only kidding.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 15:05 1

28. shahrooz (Posts: 737; Member since: 17 Sep 2013)


BBM is not that safe on android, dunno about BB OS. Android safety award goes to Signal and Telegram for the moment.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 15:14 1

31. meanestgenius (Posts: 11444; Member since: 28 May 2014)


It's extremely safe on BlackBerry hardware, including the Priv, due to the hardware injected PIN.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 14:27

19. Omarc07 (Posts: 421; Member since: 12 Nov 2012)


No actually if you didnt know or any one else didnt know bbm is still something they use ALOT in México . Maybe they dont use it alot anymore in the US but in mexico i can tell u one thing all my cousins in México and their coworkers and friends still as of 2016 use bbm . Not only él chapo uses it lots of other mexicans still do.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 14:35 1

21. meanestgenius (Posts: 11444; Member since: 28 May 2014)


I NEVER said that other citizens of Mexico don't use BBM, nor did I imply it.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 14:48

23. Hexa-core (banned) (Posts: 2131; Member since: 11 Aug 2015)


Does post #22 back you up?

Hello, MG!!

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 14:53

25. meanestgenius (Posts: 11444; Member since: 28 May 2014)


Indeed it does. Thanks!

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 15:25

35. Hexa-core (banned) (Posts: 2131; Member since: 11 Aug 2015)


MG, man there's war on this article

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Did-you-know-that-this-gorgeous-Hollywood-movie-star-helped-invent-Wi-Fi_id77315

Have you checked it yet?

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 15:28

37. meanestgenius (Posts: 11444; Member since: 28 May 2014)


Thanks for the heads up! I'll check it out now.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 15:54

40. Hexa-core (banned) (Posts: 2131; Member since: 11 Aug 2015)


I probably will get banned, man!

I've messed-up that article, roughly.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 16:01

41. meanestgenius (Posts: 11444; Member since: 28 May 2014)


Chill out, my dude. No need for you to do something to get banned.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 16:31

44. Hexa-core (banned) (Posts: 2131; Member since: 11 Aug 2015)


Yeah, but I can't bear darkkjedii anymore... He pisses me off!!!

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 16:44

47. meanestgenius (Posts: 11444; Member since: 28 May 2014)


You may not like him, but don't jeopardize your account here because of how you feel about someone. It's just not worth it, dude.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 17:06

48. Hexa-core (banned) (Posts: 2131; Member since: 11 Aug 2015)


Alright, I get it.

Cheers

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 18:00

50. meanestgenius (Posts: 11444; Member since: 28 May 2014)


Cheers, my dude.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 20:57 1

56. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 12931; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


You should consider getting psychological​ help.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 20:56 1

55. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 12931; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


You will not be missed.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 14:57 1

27. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 12931; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


Lol you're trying too hard.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 15:13 2

30. Hexa-core (banned) (Posts: 2131; Member since: 11 Aug 2015)


STFU Mxy! Go attention-bait elsewhere.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 20:58 1

57. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 12931; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


Someone else tried that same bs and it failed for them. You're already sinking faster than HTC stock. You could try failing less but that seems to be impossible for you.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 16:40

45. Bernoulli (Posts: 3975; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)


Free publicity is good publicity, also blackberry is king in Mexico, I remember the z10 being up there with the Xperia z1, not just in cost but user base.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 14:17 4

17. buccob (Posts: 2564; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)


I hate Sean Penn... That a**hole is a hypocritical prick that support communist and oppressing governments like the one in my country (Venezuela)... He was friend of Chavez and came to visit, but of course he was packed with bodyguards and armored cars, so if course there wasn't any "safety issues" for him... Just for the regular locals.

He is a talented actor, but he is on the wrong side of ethics on an international scale.

posted on 10 Jan 2016, 16:28 1

43. Ilikkaman (banned) (Posts: 39; Member since: 29 Dec 2015)


What a scumbag pos both of them are.

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