Eric Schmidt says Android's door still open for Nokia, should it change its mind
Now this is some straight talk. It's been just a few days since Nokia announced its deep partnership with Microsoft, and most comments were pointing out how the old fox Ballmer planted Stephen Elop at the helm to drive Nokia right into his arms, exerting pressure on Nokia's board through its largest American shareholders.
Whatever was going on behind the curtain at the time, one thing is certain now - Android definitely was an option for Nokia, but at the last possible moment (last Thursday, if you believe Stephen Elop), it went with the underdog Windows Phone.
For what it's worth, Eric Schmidt also mentioned that they still consider Microsoft their main competitor. Not Apple, nor Facebook, but Microsoft. After all, despite all the hype, Facebook still hasn't monetized its popularity, whereas Microsoft has established revenue streams and is getting big in cloud services.
Tying these together and placing them on a Nokia Windows Phone might be as disruptive as Google throwing a wrench into Apple's quest for mobile dominance with the purchase of Android. The move is typical Microsoft - wait for a market to mature, and then go all-in, guns blazing, to take advantage of the already established best practices. Anyway, those Nokia Windows Phone renders from yesterday look cute as a button, and not formidable at all.
1. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Nokia's adoption of wm7 is to Apple's advantage. It would've been devastating for Apple if Nokia opted for Android. Can you imagine adding Nokia's dominant market to Android's already big market? That would've dwarfed iOS almost instantly. Nokia's wrong decision would buy Apple some time to find ways to gain market share and maintain its position as one of the dominant forces in the smartphone OS.
3. E.N. (Posts: 2577; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
Who cares about Apple right now. I think this is great news for Windows because now they can gain some prominence worldwide. This should definitely help then get in the game.
8. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)
I'm sorry, but when was the last time Nokia had a huge presence in the US? Yes, this will work world wide, but Nokia has always been popular abroad. This does nothing for US sales for Microsoft and I'm not even sure people over seas are going to be that thrilled with replacing Symbian with WP7.
If Nokia has chosen Android it would have been yet another Android phone out of many. It would have done nothing to Apple or their sales. You're basically taking to unpopular companies and joining them together...Good luck.
9. snowgator (Posts: 3385; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
I wouldn't write this blessed union off simply by past company short comings. Yes, these are two unpopular companies right now, but they still have name reconigtion, still have fairly deep pockets, and both need this to work BADLY. I kinda like the chances here for them to stand out in a crowded market. Hey, we are still talking about them, so they have already won one fight.
11. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Nokia never had a huge presence in the US, but they do globally. And I think that rest of the world should be considered, not just the US. Nokia didn't care for the US either before the iphone and android came about, and they're still the number phonemaker. It's only now that they've been affected. I was referring to the global effect of Nokia's decision, not just the US. If Nokia chose Android, what do you think would happen? Nokia phones would work its way through the US market and they will likely maintain and improve their market share globally. And yes, it will affect Apple's sales outside and inside the US because it will be another line of android phones from a company known to offer impressive hardware. You cannot discredit android now like you can a year and a half ago.
10. 530gemini (Posts: 2198; Member since: 09 Sep 2010)
Only an ignorant person would say, "who cares about Apple". Apple sets the trends may I remind you. From touchscreen phones, to eco systems, to touchscreen tablets, to App Stores, etc. So yes, everyone should care what Apple is up to. Even non Apple fans.
13. E.N. (Posts: 2577; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
You skipped a huge major point. Why would you go straight to talking about how it would affect Android and Apple when the most important thing is how this would affect Microsoft and Nokia. Will it help them? Should they have searched for a different partner? Should Nokia have opted for Android instead? Why did Nokia choose windows in the first place?
So why would the first comment be about how it would affect the battle between Android and Apple. And no I don't need to be reminded. Me and my iPhone are very aware of Apple's position in the mobile market.
2. ribbonsalmark (Posts: 84; Member since: 06 Jan 2011)
Nokia adopting WM7 is also an advantage to Sony Ericsson as SE has most likely the best camera phones on the Android Market. if Nokia was to enter the market SE would need to find more features to add to its devices to make it truely competitive. Apple really has no stake in this. People drawn to iOS are going to use iOS and stay with iOS. The true fight to come is to see who claims the people who are not Apple heads or Blackberry users. And this fight will take center stage in a triple threat match between Android, WP7 and WebOS. And this because Blackberry users will mostly likely never change their phone out for an iPhone or an Android or WM7 phone. Same as for iPhone users would not trade in for Android or WM7 or Blackberry phone. The market shares that BlackBerry and Apple have are not going to diminish and they arent exactly going to grow either. But what the potential to grow and change are Android, WebOS and WM7. Android is a three card shuffle with Samsung(Sexy phones), HTC(Spec phones) and Sony Ericsson(Camera Phones). WM7 is now in the game running on Nokia and potential Sony Ericsson and LG. And WebOS is an HP exclusive as I see it right now. So what you really have to ask yourself if you Nokia is, do I feel that put WM7 on my phones is going to be the best option for my products. And the clear and cut reason if I was Nokia to choose WM7 would be if I had exclusive access to the WM7 OS and no other competitor could develop for it. But that is not the case as Sony and LG make their move to produce WM7 phones. So for me commit my entire company to only WM7 in the long term is fail. The true path for Nokia would be to sample for all worlds. Take from WM7 and Android and continue the development of Symbian and incorporate what I learn from WM7 and Android into my company grown OS to make it better than what is on the market and make it exclusive to my line of products.
5. snowgator (Posts: 3385; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Very well said, and acurate to this phone market.
4. Mathew4Maemo (unregistered)
Who over cares about those OS-es for masses??!! I am still waiting for Me Ego and hope that it will beat Mae mo 5 as a great Linux based system. Lets face it, simplicity is not a reason to buy it, not possibilities, not usability, not multitasking (which only real one was in Maemo 5), nor hardware. Good software should be able to move you intelectualy, provide significant user experience that, whatever you do on your computer is not in range for common John Smith. If you don't understand try to master yourself in Linux, for example latest Maverick, because it just encourages you to be great at it.
6. snowgator (Posts: 3385; Member since: 19 Jan 2011)
Or... just a thought... after we spend hundreds of dollars on a phone, sign a 2 year deal with a carrier, and bring an OS into our already cramped lives, how about we get a phone that we understand and that we can personalize easily to our needs. Intellectually challenged??? Dude, That is SOOOO not the reason I would ever buy a cell phone. One more thing in my life to make me feel dumb. Grrreat. Sign me up. More power to you, though. Got my respect.
7. TKFox007 (Posts: 303; Member since: 02 Nov 2010)
" the old fox Ballmer planted Stephen Elop at the helm to drive Nokia right into his arms" That makes a lot of sense now
12. Jeromeo (Posts: 135; Member since: 11 Jan 2010)
Nokia wanted to replace Google Maps on Android with Ovi Maps, contact management, e-mail, still have their own Ovi Application store, and so on. Since Android is free to license, they could technically make those changes to the code themselves, but they would have to do that sort of development in-house. And Nokia's biggest problem for the past few years is getting any software upgrade/improvement out the door without huge delays.
14. ztkells (Posts: 11; Member since: 26 Jan 2011)
I just see it as they did not want to settle for some major lag on their phones. They need help enough as is so why make it worse with a bad os in android. I don't know why you android lovers settle for so much lag.
15. lucasjohny (Posts: 7; Member since: 10 Feb 2011)
Guys YouTube have a video on n9 with froyo just take a look before u comment android lag..
16. lubbalots (unregistered)
They said xbox 360 would never servive against the well established nintendo and sony playstation. Now its the number seller folks! Read my lips, #1! Wp7s been in the market less than six months and these dumb f..ks are ruling MS out already? Please! Less than six months and they've already combined with giant Nokia. Google couldn't court them how many years now. Couldn't even get one android nokia phone! If you don't like MS, don't use their products.
17. Landmarkcm (Posts: 483; Member since: 11 Aug 2009)
Good choice Nokia not following the sheep. A little healthy competion is good. Love my LG Quantum Wp7!! It's an awesome OS & should only get better..
18. chrisnoke (unregistered)
China version or clone phones of Nokia's was been using windows mobile version. I guess it will be easier for Nokia.