Android phone makers agreed to feature all Google Apps and services, regardless of intent
As part of the contract, Google agrees to indemnify its partners for taking advantage of its apps.This is how Google partially covered some of Samsung's legal costs in the on-going patent dispute with Apple.
Of course, vendors that don't insist on using Google's apps can simply opt for the open-source version of Android. This is what Asian manufacturers usually do, replacing the Google Play Store and apps with home-brewed alternatives.
It has to be noted that these extracts come from a rather outdated, 2011 version of the MADA agreement. We can safely assume that these particular requirements are still a part of it, although we lack the concrete evidence to do so. Still, the existence of MADA isn't anything to hold Google accountable for, and its existence is hardly surprising. Such agreements are common practice within other software licensing companies to ensure their products are properly represented on contractors' devices. Microsoft, for example, does the same with Bing, which is the only search provider included on the majority of Windows Phones.
1. CanYouSeeTheLight (Posts: 1055; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
More bloatware, people don't use a quarter of the supplied Google services so why even bother Google? The first thing i do when i get a new phone is freeze or uninstall crapware and Google+ is high on my list, had many problems with it even though i don't use it (wakelocks).
3. boosook (Posts: 1231; Member since: 19 Nov 2012)
Then get either an iphone (and see if you can uninstall Apple's apps that you don't need), a Windows Phone (and see if you can uninstall Microsoft's apps that you don't need, say that you don't want to use Office or Internet explorer...) or a chinese phone without google's apps and see if you can do without gmail, maps etc.
Google must earn money, because it's a private company. They give away their OS for free, an OS which costs so much money to develop that you probably can't even imagine, and you complain because you have a couple of apps that YOU don't want? Well, use an alternative distro instead, like Cyanogen and the like. You'll be able to remove any app you want. But you cannot ask Google to provide you an OS for free, and to support it, without asking anything in exchange.
4. Leo_MC (Posts: 683; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
Out of curiosity: what bloat ware apps does iPhone have and which ones you can't uninstall?!
10. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 1847; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
Stocks, passbook, healthbook, siri, facetime, compass, iTunes store.
Then under settings I already see Twitter and Facebook crap, which needs to install the app to be useful. But I don't use either of those. Just to name a few apps I consider bloatware.
23. Leo_MC (Posts: 683; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
Bloatware term has a precise definition, it is not what you consider to be.
30. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 1847; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
Than I wonder what you consider bloatware. The 'official' definition I can't find, since it's slang. And a lot of websites use different definitions. One says it's software that uses more resources than it should use. Others state it's software you don't need.
I was wondering what definition you use...
33. Leo_MC (Posts: 683; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
The word comes from bloat+ware.
Bloat means excessive, not unwanted so what apps are like that on iPhone?
34. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 1847; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
Than what apps are like that on any other phone?
35. Leo_MC (Posts: 683; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
When you'll answer my question I will too.
Can you do that?
36. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 1847; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
If I look at a more defined version of bloated software (Software bloat is a process whereby successive versions of a computer program become perceptibly slower, use more memory/diskspace or processing power, or have higher hardware requirements than the previous version whilst making only dubious user-perceptible improvements.), it's hard to tell which apps are really bloatware, but iOS 7 comes to mind.
37. Leo_MC (Posts: 683; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
Sorry but I don't understand...
Why do you think Siri is bloatware?
38. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 1847; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
Since Siri doesn't support the Dutch language, it's pretty useless for me and other Dutch people.
39. Leo_MC (Posts: 683; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
Is it only for you or is it for the majority of iOS users?
40. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 1847; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
All Dutch speaking users.. And all other languages that are not supported by Siri.
41. Leo_MC (Posts: 683; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
I believe you are dutch and you know English...
42. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 1847; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
I am Dutch indeed, but there is a major difference in written English and speaking it fluently. Also ease of use would be my native language. Apple is all about ease of use. Google now support Dutch language, but very very limited. So I consider that bloatware for now as well.
43. Leo_MC (Posts: 683; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
Sorry but a useless piece of software for someone does not qualify as bloat.
I - and other billion people - don't use SMS; is SMS bloat too?
44. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 1847; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
Billion is exaggerated, but you asked me what I consider bloat. So... what do you consider bloatware on any phone. Not the definition but examples please.
45. Leo_MC (Posts: 683; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
For instance, I had on a Android phone the Amazon Store, Facebook, Soundhound, my carrier apps; sure, one might say they are usefull but:
- they are not Google, nor HTC's
- they can't be uninstalled
46. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 1847; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
I forgot that carriers install apps as well in USA and true iPhone doesnt allow that, which I think is certainly a good thing. Also I do agree Android phones usually come with more crap on it.
Question for you, do USA carriers allow buying a phone without a contract (and all their apps) and use it on their network? Just wondering if they do.
47. Leo_MC (Posts: 683; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)
I live in EU.
But - and i know this thanks to PA - there is T-mobile or Virgin that do just what you asked for.
8. CanYouSeeTheLight (Posts: 1055; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
Not complaining just said most people don't use the vast majority of the services Google bundles with Android. I already said i freeze and uninstall apps i don't need/like so why are you even bothering pointing me to a "alternative distro"? They make money through ads and i'm perfectly okay with those.
26. kabhijeet.16 (Posts: 723; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)
+1 to you.. Well said..
People expect everything free from Google. But can pay for over-priced idevices.
They want free OS with freedom, free apps, free play store support, free developer support..
Google is a company. It will try to earn. And I dont mind advertisements or google services that I dont use (It doesnt make much of a difference even if it is on my device coz 60% of google services/apps are used by a majority of people).
And not all of the services are pre-installed on device. I guess mostly its gmail, play store, youtube, gmaps, google search, google music, chrome, google+, & hangouts which are pre-installed.
Out of these, most people dont use google+, google music & hangouts. Other than that, all other services are used by maximum people.
28. LikeMyself (Posts: 366; Member since: 23 Sep 2013)
Well Facebook, uTorrent and Skype apps are one of the most battery eaters in the background and Shazam as well. Google+ is also quite annoying, but can be useful! The bloatwares I consider from Google are Hangouts, Play Movies, Newstand and YouTube! They just eat battery in background!
As long as it's free with no restrictions, I don't mind ads or send my data as my personal stuffs are pretty boring and if someone finds it useful, I'll be happy for him. All the way as long as they don't abuse, I'm fine and Google does just that. They don't cross the limits where it will be harmful for us! If Google did not impose Gapps, we could have all kind of search engines installed full of useless options just like in Windows PC!
29. RebelwithoutaClue (Posts: 1847; Member since: 05 Apr 2013)
And how can you tell those are battery users? I don't see them in my battery stats overview at all. Also.. I use hangouts, newsstand and Youtube, so I don't consided them bloatware at all.
6. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3681; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
lol you must be one of a kind. Questions me why do you use android then?
7. CanYouSeeTheLight (Posts: 1055; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
I made it real obvious up there, to uninstall and freeze bloatware be it from the OEM or Google, customize to my liking, installing custom ROMs and kernels.
9. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3681; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
even i hate bloatware especially Touchwiz's S sh*t apps. But most of GAPPS are neat and functional with few exceptions :-D
12. CanYouSeeTheLight (Posts: 1055; Member since: 05 Jul 2012)
I have a deep profound hate for Google+ because once 2 hours after charging my phone i had 10% left, checked battery stats and BAAM Google+ wakelock never let it be on my phone again after that lol
17. Finalflash (Posts: 2095; Member since: 23 Jul 2013)
So you had one bad experience and then almost all Google apps were bloatware all of a sudden. I haven't seen G+ start or even show up on the battery stats even once.
20. bestmvno (Posts: 232; Member since: 07 Mar 2014)
Did you ever check if this was a result of your photos being backed up?
27. kabhijeet.16 (Posts: 723; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)
You should change the settings of Google+ for not refreshing in background. Juz turn notifications off & turn off photos instant upload.
OR best one if you dont use Google+, juz log out of app and be on your merryway.
FYI, not all of the services are pre-installed on device. I guess mostly its gmail, play store, youtube, gmaps, google search, google music, chrome, google+, & hangouts which are pre-installed.
Out of these, most people dont use google+, google music & hangouts. Other than that, all other services are used by maximum people.
13. Sniggly (Posts: 7250; Member since: 05 Dec 2009)
Bloatware is an outdated problem overall, unless you're opting for the ultra low end of devices.
Bloatware used to be a much bigger affront to Android users since the manufacturers included so little native storage on the devices. Nowadays the issue isn't nearly as big of a concern since the apps take up so little space relative to the storage the phones have. It's really only a problem if you hate having the apps take up spots in your app drawer, lengthening the list.
19. buccob (Posts: 1935; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)
I have actually found convenience by using:
Chrome (though RAM hog)
Gmail (I was a yahoo user before Android)
Maps (though earlier versions had more features) and Waze!
Hangouts (layout was better in GTalk... but now is OK)
Google Drive (it replaced Dropbox for me)
Translate (the best, and fullest)
Google Earth (occasionally)
Google Keep (VERY GOOD, replaced Evernote for me)
Quickoffice (nice option... Kingsoft Office is still better)
Goggles (used to be better, thought is nice to have)
My Tracks (when I get off my lazy ass)
Android Device Manager (replaced any phone tracker)
Chrome Remote (good and simple, though PocketCloud is better)
Google Sky Map (good to have, specially with a Telescope nearby)
If these were available in my country I would definitely use:
Google Play Games
So... for me this works just fine... I don't see why people complain about their services... if you don't like them, opt out and use another one
I mostly ignore:
Google+ (I use Facebook more)
Google Photos (My Xperia Album is better)
Google Now/Search (it is a battery drainer in my phone and I rather go directly to Chrome to search.
21. bestmvno (Posts: 232; Member since: 07 Mar 2014)
If you find google now/search to be a battery drainer, I suggest you turn off location reporting and your problem should completely disappear.
24. buccob (Posts: 1935; Member since: 19 Jun 2012)
I did that.... it was exactly the problem... but without location reporting, google now is useless for me... I do not follow sports, and my city has a relative stable weather... but traffic is what I do care the most, so... I just don't use Google Now, simply Waze...
Thanks anyway, it is good that people realize that Location report wakes your phone over 1000 times a day...
31. bestmvno (Posts: 232; Member since: 07 Mar 2014)
Yes, the amount of wakeups for location reporting is ridiculous and completely unnecessary. There's a lot google could do to improve this.
22. jroc74 (Posts: 5270; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
I would disagree with that..
Thats more than or right at a quarter of their apps....that I believe most Android users use.
2. mayur007 (Posts: 500; Member since: 10 Apr 2012)
i use google services
like google search(accurate results) , google plus, youtube .. etc i dont mind i having this on my phone..
i buy android phone Google services and manufacturer services as well..
google maps are the most important to me where ever i go , which ever phone i buy from low end to high end services are same
where as there 2 version of nokia here maps and here+ maps
here maps are specified to locked region and here + are free to use any where(not available on every lumia phone(high end only))
where as apple maps they are crap .. good for nothing
so google for me
11. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3681; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
didn"t know about that here+ and here things. +1 :)
14. cedricthegr8 (Posts: 8; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)
Here+ is now free on all Lumia devices. :) Not sure about Asha and X series phones.
5. StraightEdgeNexus (Posts: 3681; Member since: 14 Feb 2014)
this can be a good thing or bad thing. but this is a welcome change for me until its removable. :-)
15. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1304; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
Old news actually, it is known since 2009 or so that the MADA is doing that and you need to install the applications as a package.
It's also known that it costs around 0.75 cents per phone to get it certified to do so. That's how Google gets money to evolve Android.
16. skymitch89 (Posts: 1184; Member since: 05 Nov 2010)
That's just stupid! That's a lot of apps that run in the background (unless you know how to disable them or error & uninstall) & making people's devices run slower. I've disabled almost all Google apps that I don't use on my phone.
18. maulgandhi (unregistered)
I only buy Android phones to use Google services, you and i both know it Google does it best. Google Maps, Gmail, Android Device Manager, Google Camera, GDrive, Google Keep, Play store and many more. You guys get the point. I just dont want to see carrier and manufacture (Samsung, LG and HTC) bloatware on my phone. Samsung and At&t packs redundant apps on their phone. I used to get custom rom on the phones, cant do that anymore. At&t blocks the bootloader now a days. Nexus here i come.
25. AJagtiani (Posts: 466; Member since: 24 Apr 2014)
The only Google apps I use on my S4 are Chrome, YouTube and Maps. I use OneDrive, Outlook and other MS apps as a replacement since I find them better suited to my needs.
32. rangoj (Posts: 46; Member since: 29 Mar 2014)
I use every Google service on my Nexus 5, except maybe EARTH, which I use, but rearly.
- gdrive is fantastic, It has integration with many third party services, on Android and on desktop chrome. Also it is cheap, and offer 25gb for free.
- Gmail - GREAT!
- Keep - extra notes app, I use it on desktop also.
- hangout - fantastic integration of sms, IM and voice video messaging - everything in one beautiful app!
- Google camera - after last update is FANTASTIC! also HDR+ software is MAGIC!!!
- Google+ - fantastic app for my hobby activities - there is a Google+ community for every hobby and profession in the world - much better then selfie's Facebook...
I really love Google services!