Why does the Samsung GALAXY Note II have an 8MP camera and the LG Optimus G sports a 13MP shooter?
Ddaily, a web site that is in Korea, both Samsung's and LG's home country, says that the reason for the lack of that 13MP camera on Sammy's model is because Sony could not come up with enough 13MP CMOS sensors to satisfy Samsung's demand. Considering the success of the original model, which sold more than 10 million units, Samsung would need more of the part than the Japanese manufacturer could deliver at the time.
So how did LG secure enough 13MP CMOS sensors from Sony? Apparently, LG's LG Innotek division had been purchasing 13MP CMOS sensors from Sony since the ball dropped in Times Square signaling the start of 2012. And while Sony is looking to expand its capacity to build the 13MP CMOS sensor, it will obviously come too late for the Samsung GALAXY Note II. As for the LG Optimus G, much of the construction and new features are based on vertical integration with LG's other divisions. That left the company able to focus more on obtaining the few parts they needed from third party suppliers, like Sony.
source: Ddaily (translated) via UnwiredView
1. rd_nest (Posts: 771; Member since: 06 Jun 2010)
Makes sense. What's the point of taking risk with production just for a single component? And 13MP camera means even lesser pixel size considering same sensor area.
2. jamrockjones (Posts: 345; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
The LG Intuition has a 8MP camera, not 13.
3. Cyan3boN (Posts: 425; Member since: 23 Feb 2012)
didnt Nokia teach us that megapixels dont matter!
19. bbblader (Posts: 580; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
and you still dont understand what they are for do you?
losless zoom,oversampling,better low light photos in 8,5,3 mpx or 1080p 720p 360p video
so please explain to me why did you not get that into your head since its launch
22. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1619; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
it's called sarcarm dips**t, go empty your bbbladder
24. bbblader (Posts: 580; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)
lol didnt want to start a fight but...
25. JC557 (Posts: 1143; Member since: 07 Dec 2011)
34. redmd (Posts: 896; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
You're right. And Nokia also taught us not to fake our photos and videos.
41. neutralguy (Posts: 1152; Member since: 30 Apr 2012)
oh god, someone can't get over the fact that nokia admitted it that it's from a prototype.
they didn't even said in the video that it was from 920. Grow up kid.
4. ajac09 (Posts: 1367; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)
once again phone arena does 0 research( they have learned alot from apple). like someone said above it has an 8mp camera the Verizon version... and as some else said .... its not all about mp
5. McLTE (Posts: 711; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
who cares really?
I would really not want more than 5MP if the OEMs would just focus on optics and quality.. 13MP on a sensor that tiny is just stupid.
26. SleepingOz (unregistered)
Right, I don't care as well. I'm not buying this phone 'coz of its camera anyway. If I want a camera, I'll buy a camera.
6. manzl (Posts: 24; Member since: 04 Oct 2011)
r u fcking kidding me..... do u really think that u gonna buy phone having a
8 meg or 13 meg with the same price point and spec.... its like telling dual core is better than the quad....
8. skymitch89 (Posts: 1082; Member since: 05 Nov 2010)
You must be kidding your self. As people have mentioned above, it's not about the megapixels, it's about the optics and technology in the sensor. Also, you must not know much about mobile processors. If you cared to do a little research, you'd know that an S4 dual-core processor is more powerful than a quad-core Tegra 3.
55. manzl (Posts: 24; Member since: 04 Oct 2011)
its simply mean that with with 13 meg u gonna have much improve optic and sensorand more details... hope u get stuck with 8 meg for life...XD
64. remixfa (Posts: 13942; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
that doesnt mean anything of the sort actually. it just means it takes a larger picture file size.
We HOPE that they improve the optics as well,but you cant tell until they do test shots and comparisons.
76. dmckay12 (Posts: 243; Member since: 25 Feb 2012)
But unfortunately, all games for the S4 and Exynos chips will be watered down THD versions.
12. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4070; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Hello, welcome to technology, where the cores and megapixels don't matter!
Really, the dual-core S4 scores higher in benchmarks than the quad-core Tegra 3 and K3-V2 at the same clock speed. And the Nokia Lumia 920 PureView 8 MP camera will most likely be better than most advertised 13 MP cameras. It's all about the architectures and the optics.
32. E.N. (Posts: 2338; Member since: 25 Jan 2009)
Everyone is making it seem like having a camera with 8 megapixels will always produce better pictures than one with 13 megapixels. Are we all completely forgetting the possibility of a phone with more megapixels and great picture quality? Seems like everyone is making excuses.
35. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5621; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
we're just reminding everybody not to jump to conclusions from MP count.
7. lethalmemo (Posts: 13; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)
To anyone who is saying it doesn't matter if 8 or 13 megapixel :
It dose matter big time...it's like saying BMW 520i is better than BMW 530i
15. EclipseGSX (Posts: 1619; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
Cars are not megapixels, sorry. Bad logic is bad.
17. JessJess (unregistered)
No its not.
18. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5621; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
in car logic it would be like comparing a 530i F10 to a 540i E39. the 540i may have been built as a higher class of car than the 530i but the newer F10 even as a 530i outclasses the 540i E39.
9. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5621; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
that may have been what happened with the Razr HD's too considering the strong evidence there was for it indeed having a 13MP Sensor but instead coming with an 8MP one. o:
10. lethalmemo (Posts: 13; Member since: 03 Sep 2012)
I'm sure who ever saying 8 is fine bla bla! Is a Samsung fan!
13. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4070; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
I'm an HTC fan, and 8 MP is fine; as long as you have the right optics to back it up, which Samsung usually does. That's why the PureView 8 MP camera in the Nokia Lumia 920 will probably be better than most 13 MP cameras, because Nokia has the right idea with their cameras. Though Samsung isn't as good with the camera as Nokia, they're still pretty good.
11. gallitoking (Posts: 4690; Member since: 17 May 2011)
this article shows me that Samsung had no idea about the Note 2 at the beginning for the year so got lazy and didn't order enough parts..
29. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4070; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Was it that they had no idea, or they just didn't think about the camera yet?
40. JessJess (unregistered)
Didn't plan. They seem to fire many products out there, split focus.
Speaking of things they had no idea about. Galaxy Camera? Only Samsung would make a product that was a YouTube troll of the iPhone 5....
42. shuaibhere (Posts: 1597; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)
Then apple too had no idea about icrap 5....cuz sharp came short of the screen apple needs....
44. u-suck-more (Posts: 529; Member since: 26 Aug 2011)
sharp came short, but LG made more than enough lol apple knew what they wanted for iphone 5 for quite awhile alr and let the display makers try making the screens with the new tech. and in case you dint read e article that was posted up here last month, LG got the hang of it and started to produce more than enough. dont say s**t just bcos u dont like a brand ok -.-
48. wendygarett (unregistered)
When iPhone was only 3megapixel those fandroid will say higher megapixel better... Now they claim that 8mp is fine... Typical double standard...
53. remixfa (Posts: 13942; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
the iphone's 3mpx camera was horrid. they were saying the Android 5mpx cameras were better because THEY WERE. That had nothing to do with MPX and everything to do with quality. Android also had a few decent 3.1mpx cameras as well that took better shots than the iphone. What is your point?
56. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5621; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
if you'll recall after that when the iPhone had a 5MP Camera and Android devices were commonly in the 5-8MP range that the iPhone still arguably had the best camera at the time.
49. Hamburglar (Posts: 8; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)
Ever heard of the Law of Diminishing Returns? There comes a point where adding megapixels to the same sized sensor actually compromises picture quality. DSLR camera are heralded for their picture quality because they have a much larger sensor than any point-and-shoot camera. Why else would photographers choose to lug them bigger cameras around? Think about it. The megapixels are nothing but a number. And everyone just assumes the higher the number, the better.
16. Dec0der (Posts: 9; Member since: 11 Jun 2011)
Sony's been in production on these for quite some time, and the only handset offering it to date is their own Xperia T & V. I'd bet my GS3 that Apple's bought every unit Sony can produce for the next iPhone... essentially cornering the market on quality 13mp optics for the foreseeable future. I only hope Sony was smart enough to stick it to them with an astronomical price tag. It will likely be the only selling point of the next iPhone aside from the "revolutionary" 4" screen.
27. Jericho (Posts: 302; Member since: 12 Nov 2011)
I am pretty sure that the Optimus Vu has an 8mp sensor. Phonearena must have gotton, ddaily must be talkin about the 13mp beast OPTIMUS G!
And for those LG haters saying that 8mp of note 2 is better are crazy cause the sensors on the s3 and note 2 are made by sony just like the sensor on the OPTIMUS G.
And now just for trolling i will explain to you the difference between LG fans and Samsuck fans we lg fans get a great product always better than the last while you Samsuck fans get an iphone treatment with your only one per/year outdated galaxy s flagship and the numbers of sales that samsuck has made as bragging rights(just like iSheeps).
P.S samsuck is overrated and moto is better than samsuck.
28. Paradox (Posts: 123; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)
I take it you don't like apple and its fans, so I don't know why you are acting like one of it's fans. Why do you keep saying "Samsuck"? And how are the galaxy line outdated? They always seem to have the best technologies incorporated.
And no, I'm not a samsung fan, I currently own a htc. I don't favour any manufacturer, I just go with whatever phone is best at the time. Us android users should get along, and not be like apple users. It's time to stop bashing other android manufacturers and ally to take down apple.
30. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4070; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
LG's devices have been generically terrible... The Optimus G seems like their attempt (and most likely success) at a comeback in overall quality.
How is the Galaxy S line outdated? It always has the best of the best in it, the best processor, (arguably) best display, and the U.S version even broke the 1 GB barrier of RAM. The design needs a bit of work, but other than that, it's pretty much great. Also, you're acting the same as those "iSheep" or "Samsuck" fans.
And before you call me a fanboy, notice the HTC banner as my avatar. Though I have a GS2 right now, that's really just a filler phone until the next Nexus comes out; which, if the rumors are correct, there will be 5 of, and I will get either the HTC Nexus or the Motorola Nexus as soon as possible after launch.
45. u-suck-more (Posts: 529; Member since: 26 Aug 2011)
but the first phone with 2GB RAM was e Optimus LTE 2, Samsung only changed e RAM to 2GB for e SGS3 aft the LTE 2 was announced
50. Berzerk000 (Posts: 4070; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Samsung changed the RAM to 2 GB when it came to the U.S because they didn't know what Jelly Bean would bring, and wanted to make sure they had enough memory to be able to support it and future updates as well.
And the Optimus LTE 2 hasn't come to the U.S yet now, has it? That's what I was implying, that they were the first to have it in the U.S.
57. u-suck-more (Posts: 529; Member since: 26 Aug 2011)
of cos Samsung would say that. why would they say ''we didn't to be out done by LG''? of course they won't admit that. if they really bothered about what JB would bring, the phone would have come with 2GB of RAM right from the start.
well the U.S. doesnt represent the world now does it?
58. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5621; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
the International has a Quad-Core Exynos, it's plenty future proof and can handle anything JB could possibly bring. the court was out for the S4 versions though so Samsung opted for the 2GB for them and also to appease US Samsung fans that were concerned about getting a downgraded version of the Galaxy S once again and if you think that they would just double the RAM capacity on a whim because LG announced a phone with 2GB of RAM then think again.
59. u-suck-more (Posts: 529; Member since: 26 Aug 2011)
and u think Samsung would just release a phone with 2GB RAM bcos they pity the American consumer? nice one. welcome to corporate world, where every company says ''we do it because we care for our customers''
i know e international variant of the S3 has a quad core processor, and i yes i know it is ''future proof''. and in case you didn't READ properly (which obviously you didn't), we were talking about RAM not processors. Berzerk000 said ''Samsung changed the RAM to 2 GB when it came to the U.S because they didn't know what Jelly Bean would bring, and wanted to make sure they had enough memory to be able to support it and future updates as well.'' nothing what so ever to do with processors.
and yes, i think Samsung doubled RAM because LG announced a phone with 2GB of RAM. it happens always in e mobile world. one company announces something (x), than another announces something better (y), the one tt announced x will upgrade x to compete with y.
rmb when e SGS3 came out? ppl were saying stuff like ''LG released a phone with 2GB RAM, why can't Samsung do the same?'' and etc. Samsung obviously heard them and changed it. Samsung obviously wouldn't want to lose out to LG. come on, it is LG. Samsung compared to LG is like a Ferrari and a Toyota (in terms of power, not sales). if LG could do better than them, Samsung would be shamed.
go butt ur nose into someone else's business boo (:
60. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5621; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
xD you obviously don't get it.
Samsung probably felt that the International Version had enough muscle to be able to handle Jelly Bean being that it has their Quad-Core Exynos and they wanted to bring up the S4 Variants by supplementing them with more RAM and yes i know you were talking singularly about RAM but what i told you about Processors and Samsung wanting to solidify their handsets' into being what they believe to be future proof was relevant to Samsung's reasoning of why there's more RAM in the US versions of the SIII.
so what you're telling me is in two weeks Samsung either got up twice as much RAM as they thought they needed before LG made their announcement and readied enough handsets for 4 major US carriers and more in a little over a month or that they used all of the RAM they had allotted for the SIII in half of the amount of shipments that they were planning on getting out right? yeah, i don't think Samsung is concerned enough about an LG handset having 2GB of RAM to go through all that. more goes into increasing a phone's specs than erasing the 1GB on the spec sheet and replacing it with a 2GB.
oh and Samsung is the type of company to listen to their customers.
62. u-suck-more (Posts: 529; Member since: 26 Aug 2011)
you can think however you want to, i dont care. i know everyone's opinions matters, and yours does too, but just not to me.
i maintain what i believe and u can maintain what u wanna believe. i respect it. but what u believe is s**t. just saying~ :)
and regarding ur link, i've alr said, why on earth would Samsung want to admit tt they dont want to be outdone by LG? of cos they would come up with whatever reason (believable reason) possible. so yea.
70. KingKurogiii (Posts: 5621; Member since: 23 Oct 2011)
okay guy, if calling what i believe s**t is what it has to come to because you can't think of any other way to rebuttal my line of reasoning then go for it. :P
i really doubt Samsung is worried enough about LG to be making excuses. xD
47. XiphiasGladius (Posts: 803; Member since: 21 Aug 2011)
I ain't a Samsung fan per say, but atleast their customer support in terms of software support for their flagship phone is a whole lot better than LG's. Best example is the Optimus 2x, it has a so called futureproof hardware but it is yet to see the future (ICS).
38. redmd (Posts: 896; Member since: 26 Oct 2011)
So are we to expect a Sony grade image quality? let's just wait and see.