President Obama vetoes the ban on sales of some Apple products
The decision affected the iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, iPad 3G, iPad 2 3G, and iPad 3 which were specific to models sold by AT&T. The iPhone 4 and iPad 2 3G are the only models currently sold by Apple.
Since that ban was announced, and was set to take effect on August 5th, Apple and other interested parties, whether affected by the ban or not, have been lobbying to avert the action. Even Verizon, who it could be argued would benefit from hindering AT&T sales to a small degree, asked that President Obama veto the ban, citing that ITC litigation is too high-stakes a game for such disputes.
The ban stemmed from Samsung winning the argument that Apple had infringed on its patents. From the beginning though, the ban raised a number of concerns by trade experts, lawyers and technology companies alike. The ITC is often used as an avenue for patent arguments because it is seen as an easier body to sway and impose an import ban than through traditional courts.
source: The Wall Street Journal
1. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6732; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
I smell a conspiracy here. How bout stop giving apple bogus patents n stop suing Android n banning Android?
23. icyrock1 (Posts: 306; Member since: 25 Mar 2013)
OR, he's also sick of this patent bulls**t (see his plan on patent trolls, and yes he called them trolls) and is hoping that this veto will be the tipping point to stop all of this nonsense.
25. darkkjedii (Posts: 12607; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
+1. I think the prez has had it, and wants the kiddy stuff to stop.
33. taz89 (Posts: 2014; Member since: 03 May 2011)
As much as I'm not a fan of apple I have always been against bans of any product (unless clearly it's a danger to us) and so am glad this ban didn't go through and now I hope company's including apple are blocked in the future from trying to get any bans.. When the g nexus was banned even though it didn't effect me it vexed me especially when some of the patents these companies use shouldn't have been given at all.. Looks like things are looking up with patents being dismissed as well as bans not being allowed
40. darkkjedii (Posts: 12607; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Yep I hope they create laws that allow no bans, just licensing agreements.
53. VZWuser76 (Posts: 1885; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
That's what I've been saying all along. Patents were meant to compensate the inventor, not set the mobile playing field. In my opinion, the only time a prioduct should be banned is if the infringing party is clearly in the wrong and refuses to compensate the inventor. Think of it as the death penalty for the patent system.
And again, streamline the patent system in respect to compensation. Have a few tiers, with the most important patents garnering the highest amount, and frivolous patents, like shapes and things like end of page stops, getting the least. It would eliminate all this negotiations BS that NONE of these companies can seem to agree on. If they can't act civil then take the decision out of their hands. If it works for parents and their children, it should work here as well.
71. darkkjedii (Posts: 12607; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Wow VZWuser, that's some post man. I agree with every word dude +1 man
74. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5952; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
There is no incentive on the part of the large companies that inevitably infringe patents to streamline the system. Until their feet are held to the fire (4+ years to go through trial and appeal), they have a free license to infringe the patent(s).
148. hamoon (Posts: 15; Member since: 05 Aug 2012)
Maybe they create laws that allow no bans, but only for American companies. It's obvious that it has nothing to do with laws, and it’s pure favoritism.
193. Larry_ThaGr81 (Posts: 295; Member since: 26 May 2011)
Finally, somebody in here that's making some sense. All this patent lawsuits need to stop.
51. tedkord (Posts: 5258; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
He couldn't have "had it" when Apple got the ITC to ban HTC phones? This is favorites, period. But I called it.
73. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5952; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
It is totally about favorites. Barry wants Apple to bring more jobs onshore. This is payoff for bringing Mac Pro production to the U.S.
If it was about getting patent wars under control, Barry would have vetoed Apples sales ban against HTC. Notice how he only gets involved when it is a U.S. company getting stuck with a ban. When it is one U.S. company vs. another, it is hands off. Same for U.S. company vs. non-U.S. company.
Nothing like hypocrisy.
86. james004 (Posts: 486; Member since: 15 May 2013)
i think your president is just bought out. and wants to support his country product. since apple is the only tech company of america that is doing well.
he didnt say anything when samsung was slapped 1 billion dollars fine. nor he will in next few months when samsung will lose again.
America was built on fixings and is and will be running though fixed government.
democracy doesnt mean anything in america.
103. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6732; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
I don't think APPLE is going too STOP unless they put a end too ANDROID. god forgid that won't happened. Apple is always trolling when it comes too patents/LAW SUITS. Remember how they BAN HTC ONE last year no one didn't get their HTC PHONE.
67. anywherehome (Posts: 971; Member since: 13 Dec 2011)
Yes, rotten apple gets help from the rotten US gov...
138. quadrazeus (Posts: 359; Member since: 03 May 2013)
Yeah, Apple haters are allowed to cry today..
146. joey_sfb (Posts: 3227; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Actually Apple is lobbing for a ban of all Samsung Android Phone and i wonder what the US President would do then.
Remember the World is watching...
156. Dorothy69 (banned) (Posts: 498; Member since: 21 May 2013)
What you actually smell is the biggest sh€€₱ of them all! Did you really think that DaddyBàmma would take away his babies' iPhones or his babies' Mamma iPhone?? What it boils down to is plain and simple, it's not in HIS best interest - forget all the international trades laws that Apple violated or the intellectual property patents that were declared in violation thereof by the ITC. This only further proves that we have a president (and, I'm not capitalizing the title on purpose) whose method of executing the office of the Presidency is through personal subjectivity and iGnorance. Someone needs to iMpeach that big elephant-eared Will Smith wannabe and restore America to her glory, so that we may, once again, be they envy of the world and not the joke we've become in the 21st century. I can't wait for 2016, at least I'll have solice in knowing that he's out!!
In the end, sales ban or no sales ban, Apple will ultimately be their own undoing with those pathetic excuses for smartphones! Once the iPhone 5C or 5S (or whatever it's called) gets released with that tiny screen and those limited features, Apple will join it's rightful place in a sewerage bin and there won't be a need for ANY kind of a ban.
182. rightcue805 (Posts: 55; Member since: 08 Jul 2013)
holy Crap are you kidding me? you sound like the biggest dip SH*t you know that right? THIS COUNTRY HAS BEEN F*cked WAY BEFORE "DADDYBamma" as you called him got in to office. people like you make me sick
185. Dorothy69 (banned) (Posts: 498; Member since: 21 May 2013)
Oh go collect your welfare or whatever other subsidy keeps you afloat. Instead of vetoing this legitimate product ban, why doesn't your DaddyBama veto bills that earmark billions of American TAX dollars in unnecessary government spending or why doesn't he veto the many bills that cross his desk granting billions in aid to foreign governments to build THEIR infrastructure and THEIR economies!!??
188. rightcue805 (Posts: 55; Member since: 08 Jul 2013)
why dont you ask him! I work for a LIVING! i work 40+ hours a week !
191. cheetah2k (Posts: 867; Member since: 16 Jan 2011)
We all know who runs the US Government now.... and it aint Obama!
3. darkkjedii (Posts: 12607; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
This is one of the reasons he's a great president, and got my vote. Well done prez, our economy doesn't need these hits. Don't ban Samsung either when apple cries foul.
5. Shatter (Posts: 2031; Member since: 29 May 2013)
Not that many people are even buying these products anymore...
104. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 6732; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
because the products looks the same.
19. Bernoulli (Posts: 1581; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
He sucks as a president, his diplomacy has done nothing but hurt the economy, one example that you may very well know, since you pay for it (assuming you work) is obamacare, oh and the stupid welfare programme that basically creates parasites on modern day history
26. darkkjedii (Posts: 12607; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
He's a great president, doing his best to clean up the mess his presidency inherited. He's not perfect by any means, and Obama care is no worse than Reaganomics. And yes I do work 17 years in county transit.
47. Bernoulli (Posts: 1581; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
Props to you for working, and he can do a lot better, starting off by putting taxes where they should be and cutting unnecessary government funded programmes like welfare and unemployment
52. darkkjedii (Posts: 12607; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
Ok why cut welfare, and unemployment? Why not just make where those on it have to meet certain criteria. I agree about cutting out the welchers, but some actually need it
58. Bernoulli (Posts: 1581; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
Nah people just explode it and they will find another loophole, which is what happened last time, since it was first designed for veterans, and unemployment because I shouldn't be responsible to feed someone who got fired from their job because they did something stupid or people who just simply want to be unemployment just for the hell of it, no sir, I can't support parasites
72. darkkjedii (Posts: 12607; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
What about people who get laid off, or fired thru no fault of their own? I live in Vegas bro, and saw the stardust hotel get imploded. All those people lost their jobs due to that, you don't think they deserved help till they found new jobs?
183. rightcue805 (Posts: 55; Member since: 08 Jul 2013)
OF COURSE HE COULD DO BETTER BUT THEN AGAIN SO COULD HAVE BUSH, SO COULD HAVE CILITON. NO ONE IS PERFECT, NO PRES WILL EVER BE LIKED BY EVERYON
27. icyrock1 (Posts: 306; Member since: 25 Mar 2013)
"He sucks as a president, "
No worse than his predecessor. Though, admittedly, that's a pretty low bar.
"his diplomacy has done nothing but hurt the economy, "
"one example that you may very well know, since you pay for it (assuming you work) is obamacare, "
Obamacare isn't even his plan. It's a slightly modified version of Romneycare (which, is a republican solution to universal health care). What I hate is, just because Obama also proposed it, liberals suddenly like the plan. It's a horrible, horrible way to do universal health care.
Were the only western country that is going with such a plan, and really, it's archaic. A plan like that used in canada would be much more effective and cheaper in the long run.
"oh and the stupid welfare programme that basically creates parasites on modern day history"
Not sure if trolling or serious. Should we not support wounded war vets? The disabled? The crippled? The old? Should we leave all of these people out to die? It's a necessary expense.
39. btbotimtim (Posts: 150; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)
Parasites are people who are not working when they are able to work. not the diabled, not the wounded war vets, not the old. i see many people who have 4-5 kids to fully utilize welfare system. They need to be responsible for their acts, not the government.
61. TheLolGuy (Posts: 483; Member since: 05 Mar 2013)
Coming from someone who has seen it, you can't fix it when the corruption is coming from inside.
I've been to small-town communities where government workers 'help out' ineligible people -- families, friends etc. Or perhaps in exchange for other things. I've seen so many talk to one another casually about how to exploit the system.
Selling food stamps for real cash was very popular where I stayed at ~7 months, and it wasn't uncommon to see people drive very old cars with brand new rims, and underdressed kids with brand new Air Jordans with LIGHTS IN THEM.
63. Bernoulli (Posts: 1581; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
Very true, sad to say I know people who sell their food stamps, heck I was close to buying some, since they were selling 200$ worth in groceries for 100$ but they told me it was a card with a pin then I was like nah I'm probably going to get ripped off lol but yes I agree man, these b!tches selling our sweat from working to buy themselves luxury items
80. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5952; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Ummm. If you are so pissed at the welfare queens ripping off the system, why didn't you report them? There is a mechanism to cut fraud, waste and abuse. Not reporting fraud that you know is occurring makes you an accessory to the fraud.
43. Bernoulli (Posts: 1581; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
He is worse than his predecessors, hurting the economy by placing taxes in places where they shouldn't be and cutting necessary government funded programmes, and well he is the one that put in effect obamacare so no excuses there, and there are veteran affiliations that offer assistance to actual veterans, I certainly wouldn't mind being taxed to help someone who fought for us, but when you have parasites that just simply won't get a job just because it's not worth for them and would rather be sucking our tax money instead of slowly generating an income and take pride in their job, yes, those people can go die, heck in my country we used to joke when people wouldn't work and we'd say, "let the government feed you" because that would just never happen, but here if you say that to someone they'd just be like, okay I'll take that
57. VZWuser76 (Posts: 1885; Member since: 04 Mar 2010)
While I can agree with you on welfare, I disagree with you on unemployment. The problem is not necessarily that they don't want to work, but there are plenty of examples were people cant get work. My brother was out of work for a month, and he said trying to get a job was harder work than the actual job itself. In many cases he was told they couldn't hire him because he was overqualified, and they couldn't pay him what his education and work experience should get him. He didn't care about that, he just wanted money to pay his bills and feed his kids. But he lost four potential jobs for that reason. If companies can get away with BS like that, it's not the workers fault.
75. darkkjedii (Posts: 12607; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
My job just went thru a change over in July. The county sub contracted out the transit system to save money, two new companies took over, some people didn't get picked up by them for reasons unknown. Luckily they are entitled to unemployment. We had to do new drug tests, background checks, physicals, applications, the whole 9. It was a very stressful period not knowing if I'd have the job I've held for 17 years. I was fortunate, unemployment is needed, welfare does need an overhaul...not an elimination
97. tedkord (Posts: 5258; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
It's true, I got a job 15 years ago in a chemical laboratory as a college dropout over two masters degreed chemist applicants. They were "over qualified."
62. ITEngineer (Posts: 54; Member since: 26 Mar 2013)
Just admit it, you hate him cause he's black,
65. Bernoulli (Posts: 1581; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
My best friend is black and my workers are mostly black so your argument is invalid, moron, I mainly hate the fact he raised taxes on my annual income and since I own a business you can imagine how much that hit me
79. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5952; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Ah, now it makes sense - you are butthurt that the free ride that you got since W started putting the U.S. on a road to financial failure is having to end. The principle that those who make should pay more than those who don't sure managed to put the U.S. on a strong financial footing until W got in.
114. Bernoulli (Posts: 1581; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
I actually started it in 2011 before this obamacare crap, so if you don't know stfu
119. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5952; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Started what? - sucking the teat of tax give-aways that W started back in 2001/2003 that got extended by Barry because the American Taliban held him hostage?
133. Bernoulli (Posts: 1581; Member since: 01 Sep 2012)
My business, retard, what else could I be referring to? What does taliban have to do with obamacare? With respect, hop off this discussion
135. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5952; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
So, lets see, you started a business in 2011 expecting to continue to receive the tax breaks that were driving the U.S. economy into the toilet in perpetuity? Perhaps you shouldn't have started your business? Warren Buffett doesn't invest in businesses that are dependent on tax breaks for their economic rationale, and neither should you.
77. darkkjedii (Posts: 12607; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)
I love him, because I think he's noble, down to earth, and a family man. I respect anyone who holds that office. That's a tough gig man.
76. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5952; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
One thing that you may not be aware of with Romney/Obamacare, insurance rates are dropping for individuals and small groups because they are getting the ability to join much, much larger groups. I just did some pricing for an individual policy for myself and where I was getting raped (er, paying) at $1,052/month before Obamacare, under Obamacare, I can get almost the exact same policy for $565/month (WTF!).
84. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5952; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Not a bad deal? I just got almost a $5,000 raise (after tax, no less) for doing not a f*cking thing! I must be a welfare queen to Bernoulli....
113. 14545 (Posts: 1152; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)
I would love to know how you pulled this off. Mine doubled. Also, if you were paying 52k a year in insurance you must of been getting ripped to begin with. Just sayin.
120. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5952; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Small groups (less than 50) don't get the benefits given to large groups. The Health insurance exchanges that are going into effect Jan, 2014 create super groups that insurance companies sell their daughters into sex slavery to get signed up. Last year, my premium for an individual policy went from $728/month to $1,520/month. After getting f*cked every year (actually twice a year, as individual policies get re-priced every 6 months), you just get numb to the abuse after a while. But starting Jan, 2014, the slaves got emancipated, courtesy of Barry.
124. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5952; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
Edit: $1,520 should have been $1,052. Unfortunately I didn't catch it until after the edit time limit passed.
123. Droid_X_Doug (Posts: 5952; Member since: 22 Dec 2010)
"...you must of been getting ripped to begin with."
Actually, I was being compelled to underwrite the administrative excesses (36% administrative burden...) of Anthem Blue Cross.
When you have had some medical issues (nothing too outrageous, I have paid more in premiums than I have gotten back in covered medical expenses), you get very enrolled in making sure you have coverage in case future issues hit you. I don't doubt for a minute (second?) I was being abused by the insurance company. The alternative (no coverage) was just worse. With no recourse, you suck it up and endure getting raped.
Starting Jan. 2014 I become emancipated.