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France wants to fine Apple 1 million Euros for each iPhone not unlocked

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France wants to fine Apple 1 million Euros for each iPhone not unlocked
With the high profile legal impasse between Apple and the U.S. government over the latter's demand that Apple unlock a dead terrorist's iPhone, France is preparing for a similar situation. But the country is taking a different tact than the U.S. Looking to hit Apple right where it hurts, France is looking to put in place a fine of one million Euros ($1.08 million USD) for each iPhone unit not unlocked by Apple after being requested to do so by the French government. Just the other day, Apple was the beneficiary of a positive court ruling that said the U.S. government could not use the All Writs Act to force Apple to unlock an iPhone owned by a drug dealer.

Last year, there were eight smartphones that belonged to alleged terrorists that the French government could not get unlocked. This created a backlash in the country against phone manufacturers like Apple and Samsung. We should point out that the one million Euro fine would apply to Google as well as Apple if the former fails to unlock an Android phone after being requested to do so by a French court.

In the case involving the Apple iPhone 5c used by San Bernardino Terrorist Syed Farook, the only way Apple can comply with the court order would be to build a new version of iOS. Dubbed "GovtOS by Apple, this new software would allow the phone to be unlocked by Apple. Another avenue that Apple could have used, backing up the phone to iCloud over Wi-Fi, would have yielded the information sought by the government. However, the San Bernardino Department of Health, the owner of the iPhone used by Farook, changed the Apple ID of the device at the behest of the FBI. Without the ID, Apple could not use this method to give the government what it wants.

"We are faced with a legal vacuum when it comes to data encryption, and it's blocking judicial investigations. Only money will force these extremely powerful companies like Apple and Google to comply. They are hiding behind a supposed privacy protection, but they're quick to make commercial use of personal data that they're collecting."-Yann GalutFrench Socialist MP

Last week, it was revealed that three days after the attack that left 14 dead, Apple turned over to the government parcels of information requested by law enforcement agencies

source: TheLocal.fr via SlashGear

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posted on 02 Mar 2016, 05:55

1. sip1995 (Posts: 1551; Member since: 07 Feb 2014)


Who didn't see that coming.......in Europe.

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 15:22

48. rubertus (Posts: 32; Member since: 07 Oct 2014)


France is the greediest of all d?cks! Fining everyone left and right, those politicians want money money money money, not one dime will be used on the people and to improve the country.

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 16:18

51. Good-Is-Better (Posts: 74; Member since: 12 Nov 2015)


I support France. Now the win has started blowing, we will see how far it will go. More and more governments will come in. China will soon land their own deal, and waiting for what Russia has in store for Apple. That is just the beginning.
In Europe and the rest of the world, they don't ask if a company can do something, they command them to do it.

posted on 03 Mar 2016, 00:40

55. ibend (Posts: 3515; Member since: 30 Sep 2014)


yeah right, that a good way to help their national economic..
and to proove that iPhone really cant be unlocked :D

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 06:08

2. GreenMan (Posts: 917; Member since: 09 Nov 2015)


Ah! French....!

“A vaincre sans péril, on triomphe sans gloire”

Translation: "To win without risk is a triumph without glory..."

Maybe, they should stick with their paint brushes...

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 06:13

3. GreenMan (Posts: 917; Member since: 09 Nov 2015)


So what I meant by “A vaincre sans péril, on triomphe sans gloire” is that Apple definitely has a huge pile of risks up ahead if it decides to continue on the path it has chosen...

But what's the point of winning without any risks, eh?

Haters will be haters... And... Similarly, morons will be morons, savvy?

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 14:56 2

43. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8345; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


Nothing you said made sense. Even you don't understand what you said and the context of its usage.

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 06:16 7

4. ThePython (Posts: 869; Member since: 08 May 2013)


*rolls eyes*

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 06:18

6. S.R.K. (banned) (Posts: 678; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)


What is that suppose to mean? Are you happy?

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 06:33

8. xondk (Posts: 1203; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)


Well this is a tricky situation, there's privacy laws, there's preventive unlocking of a phone to prevent terrorist acts, and then there's when a terrorist act has occurred and unlocking said terrorists phones....
But that said France has every right to place said fine, because it is a point of frustration in such situations..

So..
Privacy vs terrorist prevention vs terrorist action
Not an easy thing, especially the prevention thing because we've seen how massively privacy has been invaded/monitored before under the excuse of protecting people from something.

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 14:58 2

44. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8345; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


The terrorist act wasn't committed with the phone. Just because the FBI "thinks" the phone has information doesn't mean it does. Who is to say that if Apple did unlock and the FBI finds nothing, they won't lie and claim they did.

ALL COPS LIE. The higher up they are the more crocked they are. Especially when you have the President signing off on your misconduct.

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 15:17

47. xondk (Posts: 1203; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)


Its unfortunate its been proven they do lie, doesn't help the good cops that do exist.

posted on 03 Mar 2016, 16:10 1

56. chromoid (Posts: 19; Member since: 03 Oct 2013)


Everybody lies. Right now you. It has not been proven that cops don't lie, and its impossible to prove because they do. Going though proving by contradiction, I could get 1 cop to make a lie about anything that proves they lie. So just lose the act that cop don't lie. An unrealistic reality that you will never be able to prove

posted on 03 Mar 2016, 17:31 1

57. xondk (Posts: 1203; Member since: 25 Mar 2014)


uh..I am not lying, its been proven that the various cops have lied in term of privacy invasion and spying, that has been proven and that was all I said.

I didn't say they "don't" lie, because obviously I couldn't say which cops lie or not, but it is pretty clear that the various organizations aren't all bad cops.

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 06:41 4

9. Trakker (Posts: 283; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)


I'm not at all surprised France would do this since they have some of the most stupidly oppressive laws in the world.

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 07:25 6

23. sachouba (Posts: 154; Member since: 08 Jun 2014)


What laws ?

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 09:44 1

33. Trakker (Posts: 283; Member since: 11 Feb 2016)


Things like the good samaritan law and having to carry your own breathalyser in the car.

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 07:00 8

16. grbrao (Posts: 276; Member since: 23 Nov 2012)


apple will happly do that.. unlike FEDs asking for a backdoor, Fracne is asking to unlock.. take the phone to apple and the problem solved... All these issues are coming before the release of new ipad and iphone... dose this ring a bell? nice advertising from apple...

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 07:33 15

25. TerryTerius (Posts: 1539; Member since: 10 Apr 2014)


So you're saying that Apple organized the Paris and San Bernardino terrorist attacks in order for them to get free advertising months later for challenging the government in what may be the most significant privacy rights related case in decades.... Okay.

Or am I misreading your suggestion?

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 07:56 9

27. SPASE (Posts: 205; Member since: 03 May 2013)


I don't think he meant that they orchestrated the terrorist attacks, but that apple is using these incidents as a back drop for advertising there security. Well, I hope that's what he meant.

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 15:01 1

45. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8345; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


No! That isn't what he is saying. He is saying that Apple is getting free publicity from it and it could lead to more sales. Which in fact is correct.

After all, Apple suing Samsung, gained more attention to Samsung and it also increased sales of their phones. After all, Apple is scared of Samsung as they were of Microsoft.

They sued both companies out of fear of losing the market they started with their ignorant business plan.

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 08:33 2

30. TimVierb (Posts: 6; Member since: 19 Sep 2012)


you don't get it do you? they can't unlock the iPhone without creating a new operating system where a unlock (backdoor) exists. Currently it does not exist there is no way for apple to do anything without essentially doing what the feds in the U.S want.

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 19:19

53. Plutonium239 (Posts: 1036; Member since: 17 Mar 2015)


The FBI cannot do it, but there are a great many hackers in the world that can do it easily.

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 07:56

28. sissy246 (Posts: 627; Member since: 04 Mar 2015)


TerryTerius

I think what he is saying is since it did happen apple is taking advantage of it .
All the other times apple did help you never heard a thing about it but this time they are taking advantage making them the good guy and hopping it will turn more people to Apple.
For me it just makes me hate them even more.

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 08:08 4

29. lyndon420 (Posts: 3845; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


Fines are a way of punishing someone when they've done something wrong. Apple didn't do anything wrong so they shouldn't have to pay.

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 09:36

32. o0Exia0o (Posts: 895; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)


I wouldn't be surprised if Apple just quit selling iPhones in France altogether if they enact this law...

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 10:10 1

35. FrenchGuy (Posts: 104; Member since: 12 Dec 2014)


Are you serious? Stop selling iPhone in a country full of isheep ? You really believe that's possible???

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 10:22 3

37. o0Exia0o (Posts: 895; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)


Europe is more Android than iOS. So yes I am serious epically if they are willing to enact a law like this.

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 15:03

46. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8345; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


France is a country in Europe. They can simply stop selling the phine in France. What does that have to do with the rest of the country?

Anyone in France could simply order the device from another country.

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 19:21 1

54. Plutonium239 (Posts: 1036; Member since: 17 Mar 2015)


Sure, but then the carriers would have to block them from their networks because the government would require it.

posted on 09 Mar 2016, 04:55

58. Xelief (Posts: 38; Member since: 17 Aug 2015)


It is up to governments to define whats wrong and to enforce punishment. In this case, the governmant has determined that Apple is doing something wrong and enforcing punishment with hefty fines.

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 08:52 2

31. tokuzumi (Posts: 929; Member since: 27 Aug 2009)


This is France. No one cares about France. They'll probably lose the war with Apple, too, much like they have lost most wars they've been in.

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 10:01 1

34. CosmicLion (Posts: 15; Member since: 15 Sep 2014)


Great. Not unlocking the terrorist's phone is obstruction of justice.

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 12:28 3

40. HR_19 (Posts: 79; Member since: 09 Aug 2014)


Only if they have the ability. At present, they claim not to have the ability (I don't believe that, but that's beside the point). If they are physically unable to comply, it's not obstruction of justice.

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 13:17 2

41. 14545 (Posts: 1459; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


You're an idiot. Please step in front of a moving bus as fast as physically possible to prevent anymore diarrhea of the mouth.

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 10:13

36. yoosufmuneer (Posts: 1491; Member since: 14 Feb 2015)


France is gonna lose. Good Luck to them.

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 12:05

39. Tondern (Posts: 97; Member since: 23 Feb 2015)


France just wants some money to oil the heavy and corrupt EU machinery. Money is leaking out everywhere.

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 14:55

42. TechieXP1969 (Posts: 8345; Member since: 25 Sep 2013)


What's $1M to a company that has $200Billion? HAHA! These governments are out of control.

I guess Apple will just not sell phones in France anymore.

These Governments have gone crazy. The iPhone sales boost everyone economy from the taxes and import taxes on the products.

Let's see what country tries to band Apple first to get them to unlock their phone. Hopefully Apple stands up to all of them.

Foce me to try to unlock a phone, I designed to never be unlocked? F YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 15:38

50. darkkjedii (Posts: 19737; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


PA! Thank you guys for sparing us from anymore of SRK's idiocy.

posted on 02 Mar 2016, 19:17 2

52. adamvzwez (Posts: 51; Member since: 29 Mar 2015)


mcafee said he would unlock it for free and the FBI has not taken him up on this offer. that tells me they have alternative motives for the back door portal they want apple to create.

posted on 09 Mar 2016, 04:58

59. Xelief (Posts: 38; Member since: 17 Aug 2015)


My God... If you actually beleive that he had any hope of unlocking the iPhone then you're incredibly ignorant. There are loads of experts who have weighed in on the matter and all agree that he was full of s**t. I'd link you some articles, but I haven't made enough posts to be allowed to do so on here.

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