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Apple shares fall further for a 10% off all-time highs, carrier subsidies and profit taking to blame

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Apple shares fall further for a 10% off all-time highs, carrier subsidies and profit taking to blame
In a move that hasn't been seen for a while, Apple's shares fell another 4,15% yesterday, for a total of 10% off the all-time high of $644 a share. Different opinions have been bandied around for that correction in the stock price that interrupts a huge runup since the launch of the iPhone 4S, but one is prevalent.

Verizon introduced a $30 fee for upgrades recently, T-Mobile has been pretty vocal about the carriers playing a losing game with the smartphone subsidies they shell out, and investors are worried the next step might be curbing subsidies in some way, which would be a major blow to Apple's profit margins.

The iPhone franchise accounts for the majority of Apple's revenue and profits, as it is made for roughly $200, and sold to carriers for $650 and up, of which they stomach about $450, and pass it to consumers for $199. 

Carriers are apparently also adamant to diversify into other makes and models that don't require them to dig so deep in their pockets. AT&T is betting huge on the Nokia Lumia 900 launch, as the subsidy there is rumored to be much less than that for the iPhone or the flagship Android handsets, aiming to diminish the cash leakage to the major phone makers.

Still, other big ticket stocks like Google's were also down a lot yesterday, so the whole incident might be due to big tech investors doing some spring profit taking, and Apple's stock is still way undervalued compared to the earnings multiples of the average public company.

source: Apple (Google Finance)

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posted on 17 Apr 2012, 02:14 14

1. ilia1986 (unregistered)


The bigger they are :)

posted on 17 Apr 2012, 02:25 14

2. lubba (Posts: 1310; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)


...the harder they fall. Yes and I was wondering why ATT do such a thing for Nokia. Maybe its just time to move on. Or maybe more profitable with Nokia, there next bread and butter? This article do make some sense.

posted on 17 Apr 2012, 11:56 4

14. JeffdaBeat (unregistered)


So by your same logic...we should be worried about Google too? Are all big stocks going to fall? Or do you just hope Apple fails? Two different things. Stocks fluctuate. People who panic on the day to day of stocks aren't the best investors...

Still, I'd be okay with ending subsidies...

posted on 17 Apr 2012, 12:41 2

17. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


I dont know why people want subsidies.. its a fools game. Your paying for the phone anyways by having increased monthly costs for the plan, upgrade fees, and all sorts of crap, just to get the phone cheaper. I'd rather pay full retail for the phone and have super cheap service without all the extra BS. The long term cost savings is almost always in your favor doing it that way compared to subsidized.

Which is why Tmobile can offer unlimited TTW for 60 while VZW and ATT have the similar plans at around 140. No subsidy is the way to go.

posted on 17 Apr 2012, 14:32 4

21. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


T Mo doesn't have unlimited

posted on 17 Apr 2012, 22:03 2

22. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


do you ever stop playing the fool?

It is unlimited, it just throttles after a limit you set. There is no turning off, and there is no extra charges. So yes, its very much unlimited.
And its much better than ATT/VZW's double cost plans that charge you per extra gig, or Sprints more expensive plan that is slow as slow can be. I can get 10 gig data plan on Tmobile for just about the same price as the sprint plan, which is still 30 bux less than the 2 gig plan on ATT/VZW

posted on 17 Apr 2012, 22:11 4

24. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


It's a marketing gimmick. If I had an all you can eat buffet, but after your 2nd plate I would only give you one item every 20 minutes is it really all you can eat. You of all people who complain about marketing gimmicks should know that.

posted on 18 Apr 2012, 14:09

29. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


YES, taco, that is still all you can eat. you notice how you are still getting your plates until you cant eat anymore?

your confusing "unlimited", with "no throttles" they are 2 different things.

posted on 18 Apr 2012, 14:17 2

31. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


It's a marketing gimmick and it's dishonest

posted on 17 Apr 2012, 03:44 16

3. adi4u4882 (Posts: 135; Member since: 10 Jan 2012)


Yah! Apple's falling!

posted on 17 Apr 2012, 05:03 2

4. TROLL (banned) (Posts: 4851; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)


Apple depletes even more, it's still
okay for them!

posted on 17 Apr 2012, 06:36 6

5. iPAPiNYC (banned) (Posts: 5; Member since: 16 Apr 2012)


Could be the beginning of 'The End'!?

posted on 17 Apr 2012, 07:11 7

6. bbblader (Posts: 575; Member since: 24 Oct 2011)


yup carriers are to blame now?
well apple you have to realise that more people are getting smarter and aren't going to fall for your ''it works like magic'' bullsh*t

posted on 17 Apr 2012, 07:56 2

7. ilia1986 (unregistered)


Hehe... with Steve not around anymore - the reality distortion field is beginning to dissipate. :)

posted on 17 Apr 2012, 09:52 4

11. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Apple didn't say carriers are to blame. The article is speculating on why the stock dropped.

For all the people saying Apple is falling it will be a sad day for you when quarterly results are announced.

posted on 17 Apr 2012, 09:58 7

13. ilia1986 (unregistered)


You don't understand.

We are happy when Apple gets hurt.

We don't care when Apple gets more money\profit\customer satisfaction.

The latter happens all the time but is meaningless to us. The former - once in a while - that's why it's a celebration for us. :)

posted on 17 Apr 2012, 12:33 3

15. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


First who is we and second why would you find joy in a company failing. If you don't like their product don't buy it. It's very simple actually.

posted on 17 Apr 2012, 12:56 7

19. ilia1986 (unregistered)


We are all those who hate the poisoned Apple.

And I find joy in a company failing for the same reason you would love it if a polititian you hate suddenly started looking bad on vote predictions.

posted on 18 Apr 2012, 09:32 1

27. medicci37 (Posts: 591; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)


Because they Suck !

posted on 18 Apr 2012, 14:20

32. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Very intelligent point you made there

posted on 17 Apr 2012, 12:34

16. downphoenix (Posts: 2266; Member since: 19 Jun 2010)


you have a point. Im sure we'll see a nice uptick, as usual, when they do that.

posted on 17 Apr 2012, 12:42 2

18. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


the quarterly results? do you mean sales or money in the bank? Because sales are lagging. Samsung is dominating.

BTW, you never said what you wanted to do. I gave you a way out of the bet, you didnt say if you were taking it or wanted to get on the bet again.

posted on 17 Apr 2012, 14:14 3

20. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


The bet is still on if you're willing to agree right now that if you lose you're gone and if I lose I'm gone.

Sales are lagging? iPad sold 3 million in one weekend. How exactly is that lagging? iPhone is also gaining massive marketshare.

posted on 17 Apr 2012, 22:04 2

23. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


bring it, taco.

and no alternate names like when you got banned for the last few months and kept reappearing under new names.

posted on 17 Apr 2012, 22:13 3

25. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)


Ok it will be nice to have you gone forever

posted on 18 Apr 2012, 14:10

30. remixfa (Posts: 13902; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)


unlikely since they already started doing prelim reports and they all say the same thing.. not only did samsung sell more smartphones than apple, they sold more phones total than anyone.

id like to say its been a pleasure knowing you, but i try not to purposefully lie.

posted on 18 Apr 2012, 15:15 1

33. davecann2 (Posts: 460; Member since: 15 Mar 2011)


If I can interject for a moment...

I believe that all of Samsung’s smartphones combined have sold more than the latest iPhone. With that said not one single phone on the Market has sold more units then the current iPhone.

Funny how it take a company to produce 20 different models (if you want to call them different) and then claim they sell more than 1 device by 1 manufacture.

It may not seem true but simply google "Best Selling Smartphone".... before I get trashed here... Samsung is gaining grounds... and I guess you can argure using my argument because Apple now has multiple iPhones on the market as well.

posted on 17 Apr 2012, 08:51 5

8. davecann2 (Posts: 460; Member since: 15 Mar 2011)


hahaha

Love seeing all the idiots thinking Apple is about to fall.
Please.... anyone who knows anything about the market knows stocks fluctuate. This is nothing! Look at companies like Ford, GM, Johnson & Johnson, Merck!

Going by rumors... Apple will dominate once the iPhone 5 gets released and then it will be a runaway train if the iPad mini is true.

I wish the best for Apples competition. I love Android and Windows Phone. Would love to see healthy comp. at its best and have everyone purchase the devise that suits them best.

posted on 17 Apr 2012, 09:36 4

9. taz89 (Posts: 2008; Member since: 03 May 2011)


ipad mini? didnt steve jobs the apple god say NO ONE wants a smaller tablet

posted on 17 Apr 2012, 09:42 3

10. davecann2 (Posts: 460; Member since: 15 Mar 2011)


That is true. I guess its safe to say that he was wrong because a lot of people would love to see a smaller cheaper version.

posted on 17 Apr 2012, 09:55 3

12. taz89 (Posts: 2008; Member since: 03 May 2011)


i guess jobs did say alot that he probably knew he wasnt right...also agree anyone who thinks apple or google will fall soon,these people are clearly stupid..obviously not saying they cant fall(rim,nokia,yahoo,aol etc) but these apple.microsoft,googlw will be flourishing for few more years atleast..

posted on 18 Apr 2012, 00:46

26. bvalde09 (Posts: 172; Member since: 22 Nov 2011)


Ipad Mini? Never gonna happen

posted on 18 Apr 2012, 13:46

28. Mandroid (Posts: 209; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


It already did. It's called the 'ipod', or the "iphone" if you want your ipad mini to make calls.

posted on 18 Apr 2012, 18:27

34. Mandroid (Posts: 209; Member since: 22 Feb 2012)


Apples standard respone: "It's not OUR fault, you're doing it wrong and carriers and antennas and...NOT OUR FAULT WAAAAAAAAAAAA I mean BAAAAAAAH!"

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