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Apple and HTC offer to show agreement to Samsung, but heavily redacted

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Apple and HTC offer to show agreement to Samsung, but heavily redacted
In the never ending story that is Apple’s and Samsung’s patent fight, Apple and HTC are ready to offer Samsung a look at their recently drafted license agreement. One might think that would quell the curiosity that Samsung has in the agreement but we suspect that this is yet the beginning of another chapter in the drama.

The documents of the agreement Apple and HTC will provide to Samsung will be heavily redacted (blacked out), offering just 33 words for Samsung to actually read. The rest is related to the fees that been agreed to between HTC and Apple and will be marked as “Highly Confidential – Attorney’s Eyes Only.” Apparently, the “Attorney’s Eyes Only” designation was Samsung’s idea, so HTC accepted that in lieu of limiting access of the agreement altogether.

Of course, Samsung’s lawyers want to see an un-redacted agreement, including the royalty rate. HTC has previously stated that rumors about what the license fees being paid were baseless. It also serves HTC to not have to reveal its costs from such agreements, so we can expect that HTC will challenge such motions. For Apple’s part, they state that Samsung has offered “no reason…why the consideration amount is relevant…”

It seems that curiosity is driving the request to see the fee structure, whereas it is the restrictions that Apple and HTC agreed to that would have a more practical bearing on Samsung’s strategy. The next hearing is scheduled for December 6th. We know you will be watching.

source: FOSS Patents

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posted on 21 Nov 2012, 14:36 3

1. AnTuTu (Posts: 878; Member since: 14 Oct 2012)


Here comes the pain :p

posted on 21 Nov 2012, 14:42 3

3. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 3647; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


and the denial of the truth.

posted on 21 Nov 2012, 15:41 3

19. tedkord (Posts: 4936; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Admitting your problem is the first step. Congratulations.

posted on 21 Nov 2012, 16:09 6

23. AnTuTu (Posts: 878; Member since: 14 Oct 2012)


Mxyzptlk:- Go n work in a fruit store dude. Definitely you have got some serious mentally issues.

posted on 21 Nov 2012, 18:56 2

26. -box- (Posts: 3820; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Wow, apple doesn't think these terms are relevant?

Greedy and narrowminded, typical apple.

At least Microsoft licenses its patents at the same rate for all the OEMs, most pay $5-15 per handset for them depending on what all all patents are utilized. Apple should learn from this.

posted on 21 Nov 2012, 14:42 3

2. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 3647; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


If they cared about fair business, Samsung would do the agreement. It would actually save more money than getting crushed in lawsuits.

posted on 21 Nov 2012, 14:45 8

4. ajac09 (Posts: 1367; Member since: 30 Sep 2009)


they do care about fair business hence why they want to see it hence why they are not letting apple wallk all over them

posted on 21 Nov 2012, 14:47 5

5. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)


mate your so one sided its unbelievable, you must be the most unreasonable and biased person on here. considering apple fired the first shot shouldnt you be saying ''apple needs to apologize, drop all these petty patents and court battles and use that money to re-invent the iphone''

posted on 21 Nov 2012, 15:07 3

8. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 3647; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


Why should Apple apologize for Samsung copying their ideas and designs?

posted on 21 Nov 2012, 15:13 13

11. XPERIA-KNIGHT (unregistered)


apple has copied too man......accept that

posted on 21 Nov 2012, 15:14 7

12. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)


im sorry but apple never have there own idea's they repackage and market other peoples ideas to make it look like theres. besides by your logic the maker of the first ever mobile phone should sue every other company as they have copied right?

with apple way of doing things innovation and tech are dead, no company will have any room to play and develop there idea's in fear of breaching some stupid vague patent

besides as mentioned before by others lg and the prada came out before the iphone so lg should be suing

posted on 21 Nov 2012, 15:18 6

14. plgladio (Posts: 311; Member since: 05 Dec 2011)


Hey Mxzyzptlk one thing about you is even Cook would not be a die hard fan of Apple but you are, fans and lovers are blind always on the attracted thing..

posted on 21 Nov 2012, 15:28 1

16. MistB (Posts: 574; Member since: 07 Jul 2012)


Sorry, you aren't KA from Germancarforum are you? Same about of bias and one sided blindness in his argument, it's ridiculous. Blinded by badge, nothing more. That's what Apple has become in the end.

posted on 21 Nov 2012, 15:51 3

22. tedkord (Posts: 4936; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


I'll ask you again. How much is Apple paying LG for the Prada design? How much are they paying Palm for the icon grid? How much are they paying Neonode for swipe to unlock?

Samsung didn't copy Apple any more than Apple copied others.

And, if and when Apple come out with a TV, and its a rectangle with thin bezels with apps (like every Samsung, LG, etc...) TV out there, what will they pay for copying that design? And, where will be your cries of outrage over it. Were all know the answer to that one.

posted on 21 Nov 2012, 15:20 3

15. GeekMovement (Posts: 1505; Member since: 09 Sep 2011)


chaoticrazor is so very true. mxyzptlk has nothing in his/her head except for that avatar.

lol talk about fairness because Apple has always been fair as we all know..

posted on 21 Nov 2012, 15:00

6. _Bone_ (Posts: 2132; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)


So how much should they ask for the LTE patents, in fairness?

posted on 21 Nov 2012, 15:06 2

7. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 3647; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


They got in trouble with the government for trying that.

posted on 21 Nov 2012, 15:11 7

10. _Bone_ (Posts: 2132; Member since: 29 Oct 2012)


explain

posted on 21 Nov 2012, 15:16 6

13. dsDoan (Posts: 219; Member since: 28 Dec 2011)


And provide reliable citations.

posted on 21 Nov 2012, 15:44 3

21. tedkord (Posts: 4936; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


No, they didn't, because Samsung's LTE patents are not FRAND, and to quote Apple, they are not required to license them at all.

posted on 21 Nov 2012, 15:09 4

9. dsDoan (Posts: 219; Member since: 28 Dec 2011)


Apple doesn't do "fair business." When licensing from Apple, it's going to cost big. If licensing to Apple, they'll pay $1 per device. And that is Apple being generous.

posted on 21 Nov 2012, 15:43 2

20. tedkord (Posts: 4936; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Right. Because Apple's offer of $20 per phone while only paying out $0.001 was both fair and serious.

What color is the sky in your world?

posted on 21 Nov 2012, 17:48 1

24. joey_sfb (Posts: 3003; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


You really make a good spoke man for apple just as stubborn and unreasonable.

posted on 21 Nov 2012, 15:29 1

17. Valdomero (Posts: 121; Member since: 13 Nov 2012)


Samsung's may be planning avoid and attack at any blind spot apple may have (if any), seems tough by having only 33 words available to read.

Hopes on Sammy won't let us down.

posted on 21 Nov 2012, 15:30 2

18. lyndon420 (Posts: 1766; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


I'm betting the blacked out parts are the fees that HTC is paying for apple's amazing and innovative rectangle technology.

posted on 21 Nov 2012, 18:58 1

27. -box- (Posts: 3820; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Magical rectangles!

posted on 21 Nov 2012, 18:01

25. LodeStar (Posts: 28; Member since: 26 Feb 2012)


oooh i luv royalty fees n_n

posted on 22 Nov 2012, 06:17

28. roscuthiii (Posts: 1836; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


I guess it doesn't really matter right now what fee amounts are being paid to Apple provided that Apple has agreed to any fees at all if these are the patents Apple had previously claimed they would never license in the first place citing irreparable harm.

All Samsung really needs is the patent numbers and any verbiage granting license. That might be doable in 33 words no matter how many pages the contract is.

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