Analysts say BlackBerry Z10 off to better start than Nokia Lumia 920
What brings up these stories of the Nokia Lumia 920 are reports from a couple of analysts, Bernstein's Pierre Ferragu and Barclays’ Jeff Kvaal, that suggests that the BlackBerry Z10 is off to a strong start with Kvaal saying that the Z10 is off to an even faster start than the Nokia Lumia 920. And that is obviously saying a lot, based on how strong sales of Nokia's flagship model had been in its early days. We mentioned Ferragu's comments yesterday, when his decision to upgrade BlackBerry stock helped lead to a 15% rally in the shares. Kvaal's people in the U.K. basically told him that sales were solid with some stores sold out and others with limited inventory, basically repeating what other analysts had said on Monday.
To say that the BlackBerry Z10 is off to a faster start than the Nokia Lumia 920 is obviously a big deal for BlackBerry. Still, we should have a better idea of how this opening week turned out for the company when official numbers are released. In the meantime, you can imagine the backslapping and high fives taking place in Waterloo, because for the first time in years, BlackBerry is relevant again.
1. imsickwithsmartphone (Posts: 153; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)
Z10>920 or 920>Z10??
7. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 4579; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
For example let's look at articles about BlackBerry on PhoneArena.com (the same situation is also and in the other sites), usually we can see only few comment, what that may mean? I think it means that people are not really interested in BlackBerry. If people even not bother to write some comment about BlackBerry, then it is obvious that they don't feel any excitement about it and won't start to spend money for BlackBerry.
23. wendygarett (unregistered)
Wanna know why lumia920 has hundreds of comments? Because there are too much troll and hater enters and bash the wp8 that's why... There are not actual serious comments to me :(
11. DerryAhmad (Posts: 172; Member since: 05 May 2012)
I choose.. Both!
Currenty a happy owner of Lumia 920, but can't wait to replace my BB 9900 with the Z10!
13. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 2957; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)
What propelled the 920 to the spot is not just WP8 but the whole offering. If i might say, it's because of the OIS, rich recording and some other features that comes with it...and it is justified.
However, i can't digest the fact that the Z10 has surpassed the 920's demand...analysts at play??
I don't believe this...i won't believe it even if it says the Z10 has stomped the iPhone 5 in demand.
28. Dastrix (Posts: 505; Member since: 23 Nov 2012)
I totally agree. I don't believe it either. There is no justifiable reason to switch to the Z10 unless you're a die-hard BB fan. Its specs are nothing compared to the L920 and it does not even stack up to the iPhone 5. But then again, analysts are humans.
46. DerryAhmad (Posts: 172; Member since: 05 May 2012)
The Lumia 920 is an awesome device! I applaud Nokia for making that handsome phone.
However, WP8 has some limitations that might win Z10 (Blackberry 10) some edge. Eg:
- No unified notification. The Livetiles might not be enough,
- No File manager. You have to use PC to browse your files
- No Replaceable battery. Where Nokia has better design IMO, the Z10 is more flexible that you can replace the battery
- No Extendable SD Card. Another example of the Z10 more versatile.
- Not True Multitasking - Apps are paused instead of truly running.
- No Universal Search - The Search function is only to seach apps. Not words, notes, etc.
- WP 8 and Nokia Music Playlist is difficult to edit. Adding 1 song to Playlist is difficult. Arranging playlist needs a PC.
The Z10 also Slimmer than the Lumia 920. Some people consider Lumia 920 heavy. I have no problem with the weight, but some people do.
Nokia also has some advantage over the Z10 - It due more about Nokia than WP8 to be honest:
- Awesome unibody Design, with more choices of colors - Subjective I know. But this one cost versatility - no removable battery/SD Card.
- Excellent Camera, especially in low light.
- Excellent Camera apps on board.
- Nokia Maps are much better than Blackberry Maps.
At this point of time, I think it's a pretty tight race between Blackberry 10 and Windows 8. Both OS are fresh and give new experience to us.
I do think Blackberry has the more 'complete' OS, but WP8 - especially Nokia has the better hardware.
The choice is ours
52. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 4579; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Nice to see constructive opinion based on arguments. Respect! +1
60. VLaRueC (Posts: 82; Member since: 18 Dec 2012)
I recommend this for post of the year. Very fair and precise.
19. pookiewood (Posts: 469; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)
Lumia 920. Wish BB well but I wish WP more success. I own a Playbook though and can't wait for the BB10 update. The BB10 OS looks cool but in the end I love the Metro look of my 920.
35. Lboogey6 (Posts: 237; Member since: 31 Jan 2012)
lol thats easy z10... its simple i like to have options 2 screes filled with squares doesnt do it for me i also like innovation if one more person brings up how awesome the lumias camera is im gonna scream bfd i bought a cell phone with a camera not a camera that makes calls. (fyi not even a huge bb fan) nothing about windows is exciting betting money the blackberry will out sell wp and gain a larger market share very shortly
2. XPERIA-KNIGHT (Posts: 2384; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)
they will be more than "relevant" again.....give em time.....that is as long as they keep making all the necessary moves and keep their ears and eyes open to what the blog sites are saying .......if they can stay on that track then 3rd spot will be obtained before the end of this year! no doubt
3. harsh_doshi (Posts: 32; Member since: 27 Aug 2012)
but I don't see Z10 in top 10 sellers in any of the UK retaliers sites..seems odd doesn't it?
I noe tht doesn't mean everything but it seling better than 920 atleast it should be somewhere in the lists because the 920 was all over the charts when launched
4. tashreef (Posts: 475; Member since: 24 Nov 2012)
L920>Z10.. by hardware
WP8 News OS by microsoft The software giant ...and BB10 new OS by BlackBerry
now it's easy to choose between this 2 OLD players...
8. sats.mine2k4 (banned) (Posts: 208; Member since: 10 Aug 2012)
920 > Z10 Hardware wise... No Contest...
Z10 > 920*100 when Hardware + Software wise... So well given a choice i would pick the Z10...
9. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 4579; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"Z10 > 920*100 when Hardware + Software wise..."
Could you explain, please?
20. pookiewood (Posts: 469; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)
Yes please do tell. Okay the BB10 interface has a notification center. MS has already said they ran out of time with Portico so in order to not release a half assed notification center they plan on releasing it in a future update. That's about where BB10 beating WP in software ends. Live Tiles, can't believe I'm using this but more Apps, Better Ecosystem (XBOX and Windows integration), Zune/XBOX music pass, Office suite built in (I use One Note quite often), a quick view of notifications (text, emails, FB, etc) which you can tap to go straight to messaging a person back or jump right into an app, information on the lock screen from apps that support it and the live lock screen). This is just a small list.
36. Lboogey6 (Posts: 237; Member since: 31 Jan 2012)
windows with xbox integration isn't that big of a deal when the apps on other os do the same thing the app presence is very temporary seeing as how bb is starting strong and is in talks with apps that windows has yet get on bored with certain app devs. lets also look at keyboard bb keyboard shows innovation windows is nice but turn it over and THEY DONT GIVE FULL SCREEN REALESTATE -_- WTH but also set up of the home screen the voice assistant is very nice unlike limited windows. its just more personal more fun lock screen has info on it windows has live for what photos and stock news feeds i guess i need more to drain my battery. and 90% of the phones now a days can use office apps thats not a win for me working in a phone store the only windows advocates are the elderly at times kids that see xbox and people who had the cheapest android and hate it
53. pookiewood (Posts: 469; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)
You got one thing right, BlackBerry is only in talks. They've been in talks FOREVER with Netflix for example. Which I'm still pissed about that situation BTW. WP has had Netflix since day 1.
For the KB, I never even noticed that about rotating the KB. The KB works just fine. There isn't a need to stretch the KB out in landscape. Also the BB KB is innovative? Just because you slide words up? IMO any auto text is slower than typing it out. even on my WP which has great predictive text. I really wouldn't slide words up.
Setup of the homescreen? What are you on about?
Voice Control. Windows Phones voice control works just fine for me. It's a feature I would rarely use even if Siri was on board. I really think this is a niche feature.
Yeah you definitely don't seem like you know the full extent of the Windows Lockscreen. Battery drain? As lone as I don't have GPS on (which I've seen kill many different phone from many manufacturers) my phone last me all day with plenty of live tiles active. You argument here is bunk.
Lastly yawn! When your points aren't that strong you resort to name calling. I'll just leave the name calling to you. I actually like BB and I own a BB Playbook so I can't wait for the update for it. As for phones nothing can get this Lumia 920 out of my hands ATM.
10. ultimatebatman (Posts: 52; Member since: 04 Dec 2012)
I ordered one today (in Canada) and it's already OOS. They admittedly had limited quantities.
To everyone who says BB10 is late, it's honestly not much later than windows 8, yet BB already has a stronger presence in the mobile space. I don't see why it couldn't surpass Windows phone 8.
12. REYNER (Posts: 187; Member since: 10 Feb 2012)
we still dont have it here in southeast asia :( im patiently waiting!
14. Ruckus (Posts: 276; Member since: 20 Oct 2011)
Sorry I just don't see BB10 really helping RIM. No one here even brings it up, meanwhile we sell Lumia 920's like hot cakes.
37. Lboogey6 (Posts: 237; Member since: 31 Jan 2012)
ive had more people enter my store about bb10 and the z10 than ever about any of our windows phones honestly since releasing the wp8 we have sold a total of 7 and 3 were returned so its not a matter of not pushing more its capability.
41. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 4579; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Your store is not a global indicator.
15. darac (Posts: 2156; Member since: 17 Oct 2011)
And it would be really great if BB licenses the OS, and kicks Microsoft out of the game
16. Buddhikawi (Posts: 15; Member since: 06 Nov 2012)
BB10 is eyecandy which is a better copy of Meego which came to light two years back. But i think WP is a better, unique stable OS wich brings some refreshed change to the boring raws of icons which we are used to ...!
18. Xtasy (Posts: 270; Member since: 13 Jan 2013)
Those tiles look mad stupid ...BB10 has real live tiles and the icons which make for a perfect combo
24. pookiewood (Posts: 469; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)
"mad stupid" eh? Yet BB pulls that same concept into BB10. I like BB, I own a PB and can't wait for the update but come on man! I've always thought the PB OS was a chunk from every OS that they glued together. Now they are taking the live tile Concept and mixing it with tiles. Oooohh very innovative!
38. Lboogey6 (Posts: 237; Member since: 31 Jan 2012)
ok windows took an app drawer icon base simplicity from apple go innovation! yay
17. freebee269 (Posts: 489; Member since: 10 Aug 2012)
check out this pocketnow review. good review. i'd choose lumia 920 over bb10.
21. DigitalJedi_X2 (Posts: 208; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)
BB10 is far superior to WP8. Functionality wise. Power wise. QNX is far superior to Windows. You have to be either insane or retarded to think its not. Blackberry was always ahead of WP in terms of market share. And it always will be.
22. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 4579; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"BB10 is far superior to WP8. Functionality wise. Power wise. QNX is far superior to Windows. You have to be either insane or retarded to think its not."
At the moment I see just a bunch of statements, insulting and any strong arguments...
27. thealphageek1 (Posts: 287; Member since: 02 Feb 2013)
Totally agree with you, @DigitalJedi_X2. BB10 is better the WP8. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of both, but BB10 does have more functionality and versatility than WP8. The underlying OS from which its from, QNX, is more powerful and thus allows for superior functionality. Just look at all the things QNX is currently used in, from hospital equipment to nuclear power plants, and you will see that it's just obvious. I'm happy to hear that the BlackBerry Z10 is off to such a good start, though I also can't wait to see official numbers. Bravo, BlackBerry. However, I do think that there is room for everyone on the playing field. Is the Nokia Lumia 920 better than the BlackBerry Z10 hardware wise? Absolutely. But software wise? The BlackBerry Z10 is the clear victor hear. But I would personally like to see both Nokia and BlackBerry successful again with their respective OS's.
29. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 4579; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
"...but BB10 does have more functionality and versatility than WP8."
"The underlying OS from which its from, QNX, is more powerful and thus allows for superior functionality."
Could you explain, please?
"Just look at all the things QNX is currently used in, from hospital equipment to nuclear power plants, and you will see that it's just obvious."
QNX was used in such places just because it was aimed to embedded systems while Windows was aimed to daily human needs. Also each embedded system has different needs so there is different modifications of QNX and in this case stability of OS also may be different.
When someone says that it was used by NASA or in hospital equipment or in the nuclear power plants, that's mean they just want to impress you, in other words it just a load pronouncements to impress you - marketing!
For examle Linux and QNX, they both are Unix-like Operating Systems, so what? In this case Android is also based on Linux!
But if you still want to look from this perspective, then you already should know that Windows is even more wide spread than QNX.
Also does it should care for you that QNX is used by NASA or in hospital equipment or in the nuclear power plants, for you should care only how it will work in your phone!!! Also remember that QNX from hospital or NASA is not the same as in your phone even if it is still have the same name.
"I'm happy to hear that the BlackBerry Z10 is off to such a good start..."
Look at articles about BlackBerry on various sites, people even not bother to write some comment about BlackBerry, then it is obvious that they don't feel any excitement about it and that's mean that thise Analysts may be telling not truth just to attract some attention.
"But software wise? The BlackBerry Z10 is the clear victor hear."
Agai, could you explain your statement?
I don't have anything against BlackBerry, just say what I see and what I think.
47. DigitalJedi_X2 (Posts: 208; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)
So you think if people reading the article don't comment on a story it means Blackberry isn't doing well?? Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!! That's completely ASININE!
51. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 4579; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
I say that it is ONE OF THE INDICATORS that people are not interested in BlackBerry and as result if they are not interested then they won't buy it.
59. fanboysrdumb (Posts: 26; Member since: 12 Jan 2013)
go to school and do something with your life your a joke by saying this kind of crap.
these forums are dominated by mostly android fans what did you expect ?
and please change your profile picture you are a complete hypocrite with that picture and such foolish comments.
57. pookiewood (Posts: 469; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)
You realize Windows CE and Windows NT are used in plenty of Hospital Equipment as well right?
30. lubba (Posts: 1309; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
What problem you have MS darac? Are you Troll's boyfriend or something. Did MS/wp rape your anus?
31. RobotMan (Posts: 123; Member since: 13 Apr 2012)
If BB can be better then Android, then maybe time to change.
55. pookiewood (Posts: 469; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)
32. lubba (Posts: 1309; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
I've used WP for the last 3 years and still have no problem with it. Sure WP have more work to do but that's ok. I don't need MS to slam everything in all at once. I love my updates, especially major ones. Fix the bugs, listen to the users, implement, and send the update. Here's to all the hate and complaints, just GTFO! Its that simple.
33. xq10xa (Posts: 101; Member since: 07 Dec 2010)
How is it off to a better start when it isn't even out in the US yet? Not for another month...
48. DigitalJedi_X2 (Posts: 208; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)
So because it hasn't launched in the US yet means its not doing well? Do you know how many billion dollar companies don't do business in the US?? To even suggest that is the height of ignorance.
65. xq10xa (Posts: 101; Member since: 07 Dec 2010)
Height of ignorance? Read your previous comments. Just negative insults with absolutely no data to back up your claims. What I mean by "How is it off to a better start when it isn't even out in the US yet?" is how can they come up with the better start suggestion when it is only out UK? Do you know how many billion dollar companies don't do business in the UK? It might be a start in UK. They won't know if it is off to a better start in all countries. This information is just coming from one analyst. You can easily check up how a phone is doing by seeing how their accessories are selling on eBay and Amazon. But you wouldn't know anything about that.
43. PhoneAddiction (Posts: 77; Member since: 07 Nov 2012)
I've been hearing a lot of good things about BB10.. I think someone will sue them.
44. PhoneAddiction (Posts: 77; Member since: 07 Nov 2012)
I jumped off the BB bandwagon in 2010. I'm never going back!
45. lubba (Posts: 1309; Member since: 17 Jan 2011)
So far, I'm hearing not good stuff about BB10. Check out video comparison between BB Z10 vs Lumia 920 at pocketnow.com.
49. DigitalJedi_X2 (Posts: 208; Member since: 30 Jan 2012)
Then you're the only one hearing bad things because all I've seen is positive news. And because a WP fanboy put up a video of his favorite phone beating another doesn't mean the other phone isn't doing well. Not at all.
56. pookiewood (Posts: 469; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)
Pocketnow a site known to bash Windows put up a review and stated that the Lumia 920 beats out the Z10.
66. xq10xa (Posts: 101; Member since: 07 Dec 2010)
This very website didn't give it a positive review.
58. thealphageek1 (Posts: 287; Member since: 02 Feb 2013)
@PhoneArenaUser: One of the reasons BB10 has more functionality than WP8: the underlying OS which powers BB10 is a true microkernel operating system. Windows is not. Every driver, protocol stack, filesystem, application, ect runs outside of the kernel. If any of those fail, the OS still keeps on going. The phone won't crash. And whatever failed will just be restarted. Windows does not do this. So, this can guarantee little to no crashing of a bb10 handset. Not the same for wp. The OS just cannot do this. The fact that QNX is used in such places as NASA and hospitals and nuclear power plants just proves the point of how powerful and versatile the OS is. With it on a phone, comes the possibility to many more things than Windows currently does. Windows doesn't even have a file manager. The software powering BB10 allows for much more functionality than the software powering a windows phone. And when I say I'm happy that BB10 is off to a good start, I'm going off of what the carriers are saying, not the analyst. For example: Bell Canada has said that early orders of the BBZ10 have topped any previous BB model.
Rogers, Bell Canada and Telus have all said early customer response has been very positive.
Carphone Warehouse in the UK reported some stores sold out of Z10's in 20 minutes.
O2, Vodafone Group Plc, Orange and EE are all seeing robust demand. These are the CARRIERS talking! Not analyst.
BB10 has true multitasking, being a RTOS. The apps are always running, be it in the background or under the hood. No such thing with windows phone.
There is no universal search with windows. None. With BB10, there is universal search. Even in the browser. BB10 has flash in the browser. And it does pretty well with HTML5. I can view my favorite websites as they are meant to be viewed. With windows, you only have the one option. More options. More choices. More functionality. QNX also allows developers to add more "baked in" functionality with the OS as opposed to windows. Again, more functionality. As I said in my earlier post, I like windows, also. I hope to see Nokia and MS do extremely well. (I only name Nokia even though there are many windows oems because Nokia is the only windows oem putting out drool-worthy handsets based on windows). But I prefer more choice. More options. Especially on a smartphone. And even though I truly believe Nokia makes the best hardware on a smartphone, the OS is holding it back. With BB10, there is so much more potential.
62. phonemirer (Posts: 110; Member since: 07 Dec 2012)
wait a sec, are u trying to say that the best would be lumia EOS with bb10 ??
61. US_Eminem (Posts: 11; Member since: 06 Sep 2012)
bb has b8r starting sale than lumia920......
Whats d big deal in dis?
BB10 is launched in region which supports bb like canada contrary to which nokia realeased 920 in regions which does not support it (us,europe)...still they managed to get a strong sale .....recently nokia has started shipping in se asia....their fav territory ......so dis comparison b/w sales of bb and l920 is absolutely absurd.......bcoz when bb will launch in other parts of world they are going to lose some sale whereas nokia is going to gain sale bcoz they hv not really launched in their own territory