Nokia to max out at 4.7" for its flagship phones this year
1. platformwars (Posts: 86; Member since: 14 Sep 2012)
I think 4.7 is the upper limit of the ideal size for the hand.. i have a 4.7" HTC ONE X and feel that any bigger would be a bother.. i tried the GN1 but was too big.. 5" might be the limit when it comes to phones.. so good strategy by Nokia.. rather than going big and selling less.. they are interested in the market norm.
4. windroid (unregistered)
I agree with you, 5'' might be the (user friendly) limit.
Anything above that either wont fit in your pocket or you can't use with a single hand.
The same happens with the resolution, I think it's insane to have full HD in a phone, you won't notice the difference and it'll only drain CPU and battery power.
14. p211093 (Posts: 25; Member since: 12 Dec 2012)
nice stratagy by nokia
samsung is only going with big bigger & biggest display.and that cannot be fit in our hands and not give a gripe for our hands..i am using nokia lumia 920 and it is very well build for gripe is well very good.4.5 or 4.8 is enough for phone.i like u nokia
40. TylerGrunter (Posts: 1477; Member since: 16 Feb 2012)
I can't agree with that. The ideal uppel limit depends on the size of the hand.
And for many people is lower than 4.7 (for me it's around 4.5).
The pity is that OEMs don't realize of this and create more high end phones with smaller screens than 4.7 (or 5" as it will be this year).
It also depends on how tall/wide the phone is. For me more than 66 mm wide is not confortable any more.
82. nooraldeen (Posts: 49; Member since: 21 Oct 2012)
i agree with u i own a SGnote2 i can use it normally with one hand but i like to hear some music before i sleep and i can't use it with one hand when im sleeping on my back
12. zuckerboy (banned) (Posts: 898; Member since: 22 Dec 2011)
actually I am waiting for wmc for nokia's new device I hope they release new device
3. lallolu (Posts: 396; Member since: 18 Sep 2012)
4.7 is enough. Some people hate me for saying that 6" is too big as a phone while 5" is unnecessary except if it can keep the dimensions of today's 4.7-4.8" phones.
17. aokde (Posts: 186; Member since: 09 Jul 2012)
check out sony's XPERIA ZL, it sports 5" with a smaller body than the S3
5. mew7946510 (Posts: 55; Member since: 10 Nov 2010)
I could remember Nokia saying, "Phones with big displays are disgusting." Now, what just happened? Oh well, anyway, 4.3 - 4.8 inch displays are my favorites for now.
6. Kreft (Posts: 84; Member since: 27 Dec 2012)
"everything Nokia has in the pipeline for this year, will be 4.7 inches or smaller."
I don't see what the problem is. 4.7 isn't big, it's normal by today's standards.
11. windroid (unregistered)
Anything above 5'' starts to be dysfunctional either it's normal or not (by today standards).
30. FarazRiaz (Posts: 13; Member since: 02 Dec 2010)
That is not entirely accurate. A bigger screen is good for browsing; you are not panning and zooming so much. The videos and games look good. But it all comes down to what size you are comfortable with.
33. troutsy (Posts: 307; Member since: 17 Feb 2012)
The problem with Nokia's 4.7" smartphones is that every other competitor will be fitting a larger screen into a smaller package.
Hand size will likely be more of an issue for the upcoming Nokia phones rather than the Android OEMs.
34. Just_a_boy (Posts: 183; Member since: 18 Oct 2011)
But they said that when Elop wasn't in charge keep that in mind
7. Kreft (Posts: 84; Member since: 27 Dec 2012)
Glad I'm not the only one thinking that things are getting ridiculous. Manufacturers are getting carried away with some of these phones. When I see people holding what looks like a tablet to their face and trying to talk on the phone I laugh at how absurd they look. Saying that it all depends on the bezel. I have a nexus 4 and 4.7 in. is quite nice but they could make the phone a tiny bit bigger and the screen closer to the edges and it would be a win-win. Could probably fit 5 in. easy. You want a nice screen size but not be lugging around a tablet. So the note is worthless to me.
8. emadshiny (Posts: 1144; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)
my only request from Nokia: please use ANDROID.
16. StreetNerd (Posts: 802; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)
silence! android is heavy unfriendly OS
21. emadshiny (Posts: 1144; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)
i don't think it be heavier than windows.
24. FarazRiaz (Posts: 13; Member since: 02 Dec 2010)
It really doesn't matter which one of the two is a heavier OS. It is a matter of personal preference. If you are locked into 'Apple' ecosystem your best bet be an iPhone. If you like a bit of freedom; Android be your best bet. If you are bored with both 'Apple and Android' windows Phone is a nice alternative.
42. StreetNerd (Posts: 802; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)
how is it not heavier?
it cant run smoothly on dualcore...
94. mew7946510 (Posts: 55; Member since: 10 Nov 2010)
don't liken wp to the lag king, android, fanboy..
18. FarazRiaz (Posts: 13; Member since: 02 Dec 2010)
What possible advantage 'Android' has to offer? Android is greatly overrated.
22. emadshiny (Posts: 1144; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)
the main advantage is its user friendliness and its easy to download and upgrade apps.
26. FarazRiaz (Posts: 13; Member since: 02 Dec 2010)
Are you an idiot? Android is the least user friendly OS. It just has a great notification system. As for the Download and update of apps; all three offers familiar options. Many of the apps doesn't work on every Android Handset, hence the developers are always updating their apps.
57. Whateverman (Posts: 3242; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Question...why are you guys attacking Android users for liking Android. emadshinny never insulted you, why ask if he/she is an idiot?
60. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
its due to the fact on every other article android users insult and belittle everyone else for choosing differant. and no offence i find it funny most will only see the insults when its against android users but when they do it most of the ''do gooders' say nothing
second android users never miss a chance to say nokia go android or android is better then wp8 etc.......but if someone says wp8 is better then android they get 7 people jumping all over them
so if they dish it out they should be able to take it
62. Whateverman (Posts: 3242; Member since: 17 May 2009)
What does any of that have to do with THIS person who is being nothing but respectful? THIS Android user has called no one an idiot, sh**p, drone, Fandroid or anything of the sort. All he is doing is voicing his preference and asking that Nokia consider using Android. If enough Android users ask for it, maybe we will get what we want so I encourage people who want the same to keep asking. It worked for people who wanted the iPhone on VZW now didn't it?
Ive been on PA for many years, so as one who witnessed how iOS turned on EVERYONE without an iPhone, I find myself following the flame wars very closely. What I've noticed is that Most of the Android fans praised WP for the most part. Then some WP started acting like some iOS fans, even joining together to bash Android. Android fans go after Apple, but some iOS and WP fans go after Android users. That's the difference in this case.
65. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
ok im sorry i know your trying to act unbiased but so isnt working as you fail to acknowledge whats right in front of you
lets start with the first part of your comment, android users have spammed many articles with the nokia go android line, its getting old fast. why keep whining about something that wont happen in the forseeable future. if i went on every android article and said i wish android would sort out there updates or wish they had better quality tablet apps i would get many go into defensive mode on there precious android.
''What I've noticed is that Most of the Android fans praised WP for the most part.''
this is complete bs, im sorry but a quick look would show you this is crap. the likes of troll, darac, meaceo (or whatever it is) etc slate it with a passion. why do you not acknowledge that?
''Then some WP started acting like some iOS fans, even joining together to bash Android. Android fans go after Apple, but some iOS and WP fans go after Android users.''
please stop the crap, android fans when the s3 etc outsold the iphone became what they claim to hate they act like the apple fanboys of years back and the few wp users etc on here get swarmed on when they try to say there opinion. never seen you defend them but an android user in the same situation and your acting the voice of reason.......bored of the same tricks on PA
as for android fans going after apple, thats become the biggest joke, they take it too far and are pathetic
71. Whateverman (Posts: 3242; Member since: 17 May 2009)
I don't care that much about what you or anyone else thinks about me to have to ACT in any fashion. So that insult hit with a thud.
If it bothers you that Android fans want a Nokia device too, ignore the request. It's not whining, crying or anything of the sort. It's called wishful thinking and whether it happens or not, the mere mention of it shouldn't send you into a fit every time. We can want what we want and that SHOULD be okay with you.
I've always said there are SOME Android fans that just take it too far. But you never see that because all you see is that I'm an Android user, and it seems you hate ANYTHING Google, including the users. But since you called me out... Here is the first comment I made yesterday defending iOS users, yet again!
Comment number 6, second from the top. Now, can you provide ANY comments or even any positive comments you've made in defense of Android or it's users?
74. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
had it with this if you dont praise android every chance you get you must hate it bs
run through them, i hate fanboys and ones like you who only see a problem when its against a fellow android user are some of the worst as you make the problem worse
heres an article showing what you support, the android fanboys are pathetic on that one so enjoy
another where android fans insult general users who choose the iphone
whats so annoying is how you love to point out when android isnt been worshipped, but you never say a word against android fanboys insulting others, why is it one way?
lastly though i hate fanboys, i have said many times about how good android is but it aint perfect ive said the s3 is a great device, how sonys new z is a real competitor etc .but the second you say something negative towards android is the second you lot jump on people for it
so look at those articles and you should see i go after fanboys and not slate os' etc if not then you must be another blind one who only cares when its in favor of there preferance
76. Whateverman (Posts: 3242; Member since: 17 May 2009)
*Oh, he called me a fanboy! Oh, im so hurt!* I'll be a fan boy, but I'm a fanboy of all technology. I've given more money for more Apple devices than an other. I've had Google, Windows, Palm, Blackberry, Nokia, Motorola, LG, and HTC devices and I'll continue to support what is good product. As a consumer of all these manufacturers, I have the experience and the
Lol! These are the articles you picked out to show positive comments? Your use of the words "fanboy" and "troll" are all the proof anyone ever needs to see the kind of "fan" you are. I've read all those comments before and thought, "this guy has nothing to say. He just likes to fight, but I could be wrong". Well, you defending the attack of a person who has attacked NO ONE is the confirmation I needed. :)
78. chaoticrazor (Posts: 2347; Member since: 28 Aug 2012)
kid dont even try to sound smart, your deflection from me asking you why you never say the same thing when the android horde swarms the wp articles shows your one sided
second the article you provided is just you saying ease up in a half hearted way yet here your all defensive and protective over some android user to the point you are arguing with me
so fanboy thy name is you, seeing as there are so many fanboys and trolls on here those words will be used
but im bored of you now, you just reinforce the fact this sites comment section you arent allowed to be negative to android or any of its users. apparently android users seem very delicate they love to dish it out but god forbid you give it them back lmao
anyways have fun
80. Whateverman (Posts: 3242; Member since: 17 May 2009)
That's all you are is negative. Say what you want about And back it up with something intelligent to say, but never HAVE anything intelligent to say. All you do is troll.
Then you talk about dishing it out but can't take it... I've backed up everything I've said with facts. You even provided facts that you are the real troll here. All you want to do is fight and when your confront with a real debate, you get mad, take your ball, and run home.
UrbanPhantom, down below, has some very real things to say. Read it! This is what people call "sharing an opinion". And notice, no one is attacking him, not even a "fanboy" like me. If it seems like its ALL Android users are "fanboys", maybe it's not them...maybe it's YOU.
48. StreetNerd (Posts: 802; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)
Android is for geeks, so how is it friendly?
58. Whateverman (Posts: 3242; Member since: 17 May 2009)
What's so difficult about Android? Just because it has the ability to do more, doesn't mean it's complicated. It uses the same press and hold features that iOS and WP8 uses. What makes it so unfriendly if other OSs use the same gestures?
63. FarazRiaz (Posts: 13; Member since: 02 Dec 2010)
Android isn't that difficult to you. Android doesn't have the ability to do more unless you root it and, try some hacks. In face none of these platforms have a lot more to offer than the other. It just comes to your personal preference. Even most apps are designed to offer the same feel and experience. Windows phone just offers a differ UI.
69. Whateverman (Posts: 3242; Member since: 17 May 2009)
I guess it all depends on what you or I mean when we say, "Do more". For me, customization and manipulation of different functionality is what I think about. I admit, I am not as familiar with WP as I am with Android and iOS, but I'm getting there. And there are just some things I can't do on WP that I can very easily on Android, and without rooting. It not complicated at all if the user is willing to learn the OS, just as with any other OS.
66. FarazRiaz (Posts: 13; Member since: 02 Dec 2010)
I have no problem with respecting your preference. I don't have any personal Interest in any of these companies. I was just stating that Android doesn't offer any real advantage over Windows Phone. In fact windows phone is far well designed and optimised than any other OS. Android success came when it could run flash videos and iPhone couldn't. It does offer a very useful notification system though. But there is nothing unique about it. Microsoft did a fine job integrating a lot of apps within the OS.
67. UrbanPhantom (Posts: 949; Member since: 30 Oct 2012)
Android does have the advantage of being open source, and thus allowing extreme customization. It also has the largest collection of 3d party apps available for any of the mobile OS offerings, albeit some of these are of very poor quality...
However, Android's strength is also it's primary weakness. The OS is inherently insecure, and is badly fragmented. The value of WP8 is that it is easy to use and very secure like iOS, with greater flexibility and potential integration with PC computers. These are big selling points, and WP8 is likely now the fastest growing mobile OS on earth.
Would hurt Nokia to produce phones for both OS platforms? Probably not, but Microsoft is still giving Nokia money to stay loyal and promote it's own platform, and until that deal ends and Nokia can become profitable again, the question is moot*
73. Whateverman (Posts: 3242; Member since: 17 May 2009)
I can agree with about 95% of that. The security issue just doesn't seem to be an issue to me, even ios has is security issues but I see what youre saying. My thing is people have gotten so lazy as far as technology is concerned. They want everything to be point and shoot all the time but many of us want to tinker and explore new features and technologies. Why limit things like bluetooth file sharing and NFC? Don't tell me the limits of what you are willing to offer... Show me instead what's possible. That's what Android seems to provide for me, but I would love to see others do the same. Not saying every device has to be or look like Android, just show me more.
77. FarazRiaz (Posts: 13; Member since: 02 Dec 2010)
That is the dumbest explanation I heard. Android has its limitations. There is nothing much to explore on Android. You can just learn how to root and flash custom Roms. It be nice if you can provide an example that look Android can and others can't.
79. Whateverman (Posts: 3242; Member since: 17 May 2009)
If that was dumb, then you're reflecting. I never said Android was without its limits, but Android is doing much more than most in terms of exploring new technologies, even allowing the use of some old ones that others aren't because they want you to get it throught them ONLY. Let me spell out for you.
Don't block NFC.
Don't block bluetooth file sharing.
Don't block downloading music from other sources.
Stop saying the features that people want and are asking for are useless just because you don't want to make your device thicker.
Widgets are a perfect example of what no other OS is doing. Live tiles are great, but can you make apps function from within that tile? IOS doesn't allow file sharing or syncing with other computers because they want you to buy music through them.
83. FarazRiaz (Posts: 13; Member since: 02 Dec 2010)
That is your argument? I was thinking I will learn something revolutionary about Android. You can download music on iOS and windows phone from different sources, Windows Phone 8 support NFC. All of these things were in existence even before Android.
There isn't a widget for every app and Widgets offer a limited functionality. It is not like you can add 100's of widgets on your start screen.
You can sync IOS with windows or Mac using iTunes?
85. Whateverman (Posts: 3242; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Have you tried syncing one iPhone, iPod, or iPad to two different computers using two different iTunes accounts? You can't, not with out additional software or without erasing all other music, photos and notes from that device. I can Drag and drop any file I want from any computer I want and that comes in very handy for some, but may not be a big deal to others.
All of these OSs are revolutionary, not just Android. And no, there isn't a widget for 100% of all the apps on Android, that not the point. The point is there are widgets that I can use to control a function on my phone without going into it. There is one click functionality offered with Android that others just don't offer. I can have a weather widget for the weather, a compass widget, a speedometer widget that proved very useful when the one in my car went out, a music widget, a widget for tips on how to use my Android device. There's one press direct calling, direct texting, task managers for those who need them, one touch navigation, photo widgets, settings widgets etc, etc...
All of these may be nothing to you and that's okay, but for many of us...this is what we want. and getting all that in a Nokia packages is a dream for many of us. Hopefully we will get it, if not, others will provide.
86. FarazRiaz (Posts: 13; Member since: 02 Dec 2010)
You can sync up to five computers with iTunes with a single account. You are right if you want to use another account you will have to erase everything. But that is not the case with windows phone 8/Windows 8/RT.
You can pin settings to the windows phone start screen.
You can control Music from the lock screen of windows phone. You can pin any contact(s) or a group on the start screen for one touch call and messaging.
Like I said "Android is highly overrated." There is no clear advantage over any other OS.
There are things Android has an edge over the competition. First, being the notification. It does multitasking better. But windows phone is designed better and is very responsive. The hubs are well designed and the integration is incredible. Before you make any accusations at least do some research. Here is a tip "not everything is true that you read on the Internet."
87. Whateverman (Posts: 3242; Member since: 17 May 2009)
I've done the research and those were my findings. That's the thing, a lot of people here try to make assumptions about others just because they don't agree. In my opinion WP and iOS are overrated, but I don't tell people they need to "do some research", I educate them as to what I've experienced myself. So can you educate me on adding a one touch navigation shortcut on a WP device? And I mean I press the tile, navigation come up, and navigates me to a previously determined destination. Can I add a working pedometer to my homescreen, a timer, a photo frame that hold one or multiple images of my choosing, a night stand clock?
I get it... You think Android is over rated. You are intitled to that opinion, but you haven't presented any examples as to why WP is better. Smoothe scrolling ain't gonna cut it, I have that already. Give me something that I can't do on Android.
88. FarazRiaz (Posts: 13; Member since: 02 Dec 2010)
I told you there is a lot you can do by "Pinning" things to the start screen. You should try looking into it. I never said WP is better than Android or IOS. I said "none of these offer any real advantage over the other." What is the point of having a 'pedometer' widget? You can either walk/run or look at how many steps you taken. There is a clock on the lock screen. It just all comes down to your personal preferences.
You can't pin everything to the start screen on Android.
89. Whateverman (Posts: 3242; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Pinning is nothing special. Pinning an app is just another way of saying adding an app. So yes, Android does that too, just with another name.
My health is important to me, so having a pedometer in constant view is important to me as well. "They" say you should take at least 10,000 steps a day to maintain good health. Im not sure if that's true, but it never hurts, so I like seeing how many I've taken per day. If Windows has the one I use call Accupedo, I would recommend it.
75. FarazRiaz (Posts: 13; Member since: 02 Dec 2010)
I don't think Android is that much customisable. If you call adding a few skin customisation; you can do that with a jail broken iPhone. There is no real advantage of Android being open source.
If Nokia decide to go with Android what is that they will offer that they can't with a windows phone? How can they compete with Samsung and their Android flagships?
I will still say "Android is highly overrated. It doesn't provide any advantage as people like to believe."
23. tigermcm (Posts: 836; Member since: 02 Sep 2009)
like i said on another post you fandroids need to stop crying just because every OEM doesnt make android sheesh you have enough choices
36. emadshiny (Posts: 1144; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)
just one sentence: although im a nokia lover, it can't survive with WP.
43. FarazRiaz (Posts: 13; Member since: 02 Dec 2010)
I didn't know you are an analyst. Nokia knew they can't survive if they have adopted Android. Samsung has deeper pockets than Nokia and they are doing very well with Android. Windows phone OS is very well optimise without requiring the OEM's to highly customise it. Nokia can focus to bring the best hardware rather than spending resources to customise the OS.
45. emadshiny (Posts: 1144; Member since: 05 Dec 2012)
but unfortunately they don't bring the best hardware as you say.
46. StreetNerd (Posts: 802; Member since: 08 Dec 2010)
Lumia 920 not best hardware? are u an idiot....
o craps it has no QUADCORE :>
like i said before to u....it doesnt NEED quadcore coz its not an heavy OS compared to ur android
52. FarazRiaz (Posts: 13; Member since: 02 Dec 2010)
That is again a personal preference. It is a very well built phone. The screen has great viewing angles. It has the best low light camera on a phone. The hardware and software both are very well optimise. It is a great combination. It offers a far richer experience than any Android phone I have used. The only thing that is as optimise; is the iPhone 5.