Nokia apologizes for simulated demo video
7. denied911 (banned) posted on 05 Sep 2012, 20:29 2 3
not really, Q3 will be very weak so don't buy yet, Q4 with new devices on the market and christmas will be better
buy couple weeks after financial announcments of Q3
15. 305Bucko posted on 05 Sep 2012, 21:30 5 1
do you actively buy/trade stocks? Because the way it works (if you want to make money that is) is you buy the stock when the company is sucking (currently is) or when they get bad publicity (such as this).
why? because the stock is cheap, and the idea is that it couldnt get any worse. If you follow Nokia and know that the new Lumias will be awesome. Then you know the stock will go up and then KA$HING KA$HING.
If you wait till the success happens and the results show profits, by then everyone will want to buy the stock triggering a Supply in Demand and the stock will be more expensive.
23. denied911 (banned) posted on 05 Sep 2012, 22:37 0 0
it is not so low
there was like 1.68
Q3 financial results will be extremely crappy for nokia, then stocks go to s**tter and then you buy, in Q3 results there will be no new smartphone line sales or very little, not many people will buy old line 800, 900 because most people will be waiting for faster models
26. 305Bucko posted on 05 Sep 2012, 23:27 0 0
your right about the Q3 results being crappy.
19. CX3NT3_713 posted on 05 Sep 2012, 22:27 0 1
I wonder if this made Nokia stocks drop more.... I'm still thinking of getting the 920
21. -box- posted on 05 Sep 2012, 22:30 6 0
At least they didn't have to use "Screen images simulated. Sequences shortened" which is on pretty much every single apple commercial for the last decade!
30. snowgator posted on 06 Sep 2012, 01:41 0 0
Once again, I love it when someone puts things in perspective. Thanks -box-.
36. robot9001 (banned) posted on 06 Sep 2012, 03:16 2 4
even a samsung galaxy s2 is much better than any future microsoft phones. microsoft wp8 still has no live wallpaper. looks really basic and cluttered too lol....i know coz i got a wp8 simulator on wp7. u can get it from marketplace for free
40. pistolashtc posted on 06 Sep 2012, 05:58 1 0
There are different people with different choices... -.-
43. Mobile-X-Pert posted on 06 Sep 2012, 06:43 1 0
Yeah, but the performance is musch better, the apps look more beautigul, we have XBOX live,.....etc
42. Mobile-X-Pert posted on 06 Sep 2012, 06:25 0 0
2. p0rkguy posted on 05 Sep 2012, 20:22 20 1
Boasting about your phone's camera quality and not using said phone... then getting caught red handed.
Dumb move Nokia.
11. MeoCao (unregistered) posted on 05 Sep 2012, 20:36 12 1
And what about the low light photos, were some Photoshop or "special techniques" used?
32. whysoserious posted on 06 Sep 2012, 01:51 1 2
Now it makes me wonder if all the videos and camera taken by Nokia 808 was actually taken by the 808 itself.
I know deceiving people to gain popularity is good for business, but damn Nokia should've been more careful.
45. chaoticrazor posted on 06 Sep 2012, 06:52 0 1
come off it, they have admitted and shown real quality of the camera which is still solid
and as for the 808 you cant say anything bad about the camera as its been reviewed by countless sources and proven to be the best mobile camera around
3. vvelez5 posted on 05 Sep 2012, 20:23 6 0
We can trust Nokia on that but they should definitely shoot some videos with the actual 920 just to get rid of the skeptics. Not a good move be Nokia.
44. Mobile-X-Pert posted on 06 Sep 2012, 06:44 0 0
4. JaiCameron posted on 05 Sep 2012, 20:24 4 1
I'm not sure if this is allowed (mybad and remove the link if it isn't), but Nokia posted a new video on their youtube page to showcase OIS of the Lumia 920 correctly.
14. MichaelHeller posted on 05 Sep 2012, 21:28 2 0
Thanks for the comment. I had meant to put that in the post, but forgot. All fixed now!
38. rsxl5 posted on 06 Sep 2012, 03:51 0 0
Thanks for a link.
Not convinced about the quality of the IOS. Less shaky but overall quality has been lowered or I should rather write that details were blended.
They should upload both videos as they went out from the mobile.
5. krimHD posted on 05 Sep 2012, 20:25 6 3
it still doesn't change that the lumia 920 camera is probably the best smartphone camera around
9. vvelez5 posted on 05 Sep 2012, 20:31 8 0
It isn't the Nokia 808 pureview is. But I get your point.
8. trunkmonkey posted on 05 Sep 2012, 20:31 1 4
I don't think this is any different than console companies showing off video of games they claim their systems are rendering on the fly, but later find out iwere prerendered.
I used to like Nokia but, as long as Elop is heading that company I will not touch anything they make. There is just way too much shady stuff between them and M$. Considering after he left M$ he was one of the largest private holders of M$ stock. It is a damn shame what happened to Nokia. Seems like M$ got a Trojan horse into their Nokia.
12. pongkie posted on 05 Sep 2012, 20:57 8 0
hey should call that girl again for another bike re-run!!!! in a bikini!!!!! so everything is FORGIVEN!!!
13. Nathan_ingx posted on 05 Sep 2012, 21:28 3 0
I agree that they have a great deal of innovation going on with the 'floating lens' tech, but the video scam is a downright shame! Shame on you Nokia, it's an embarassment for me as an avid supporter to your fame. If you hadn't been 'caught' red handed, you'd still be claiming that the video is still from the phone. Darn, i'm losing my trust in you! What's wrong with taking a video from the real phone??
16. f1r3z0r posted on 05 Sep 2012, 21:54 0 0
well well well i think nokia is catching up this time...only thing is to improve is Windows or use a different OS
17. rsxl5 posted on 05 Sep 2012, 21:55 0 0
There is not such thing like 'wasn't exactly honest...'
Should be written that Nokia presented fake video taken with other hardware. Judging by the size of black object it's rather not an amateur camera ; if it wasn't amateur camera image is too blurry so it would mean that quality of video taken was downgraded so it looks like mobile taken (720p resolution is available on youtube for download)....
... after it was found out that video was a fake ; Nokia presented another one claimed to be legitimate one but due to first issue can it be trusted to be a real one?
Personally I do not trust that explanation ; judging by the performance of Lumia 900 I own (much older SonyEricsson Arc that I have as well have much better pictures quality).
18. JaiCameron posted on 05 Sep 2012, 22:05 1 1
If you look at the video as proof of concept Nokia didn't lie the phones are capable of OIS. The problem here is clearly Nokia's mistake of thorough PR checking during the making of the first video.
24. ohmygot posted on 05 Sep 2012, 22:55 2 2
Dear Nokia you lost a customer here so Samsung gn2 here I come :D
27. cornerofthemoon posted on 05 Sep 2012, 23:44 0 0
Oh well, good or bad, at least Nokia is getting some buzz....
28. Stuntman posted on 05 Sep 2012, 23:52 1 0
I don't know if any of you remember this, but 3 years ago, Nokia made an ad for the Nokia N97. It showed the phone being very smooth. It was fake as the actual N97 was sluggish as hell. A lot of Nokia users were upset that the phone did not behave as shown in the ad. They used a fake ad then and they used it again now.
29. lumialove posted on 06 Sep 2012, 01:33 0 1
the F/2.0 aperture is the lowest found any smartphone. Think of aperture as how “open” a lens can get—the more open, the more light comes in. That’s crucial as light is what camera’s crave and is the key to getting a good image. You want to buy an expensive lens for your DSLR? Search for one with an F/1.4 aperture—basically the lower the number, the better. Reaching F/2.0 on a camera-phone is a pretty big deal, make no mistake about it. It will also greatly help to make your photos better as the shutter speed can go faster.
back-side illuminated sensors (BSI) —it’s what is found on the iPhone, Titan II and many Samsung phones. It puts the wires behind the sensor, allowing more light to be received and once again, making brighter photos. We’ve wanted Nokia to do this for a very long time and now they have.
The Lumia 900, Lumia 920 and 808 PureView
Sensor size is also crucial. Here, the bigger the better and the fact is, most smartphones have tiny sensors. Why do some “pro” DSLRs cost so much? It’s because they have a giant sensor (it’s also why they’re so big). The Lumia 920 sports a 1/1.4” sensor that beats many phones who roll with a smaller 1/2.5”. That brings us to megapixels…
Photographers hate megapixel discussions because it’s all consumers focus on, instead of all of the above. It’s often the least important aspect as those pixels won’t improve your photo much. It’s good for cropping, yes, but other than that?
Nokia said they could have added more than the 8MP to that 1/1.4” sensor, as some of their competitors have on their devices. But as we mentioned last night, jamming more megapixels on a sensor can have negative consequences, like reduce image quality. The more pixels on a sensor, the more light you need to illuminate them all. In turn, cameras with high megapixel count tend to have worse low-light performance. That’s right folks, putting 16MP or 32MP into a camera can be a bad thing, especially if it’s on a small sensor.
No, Nokia took the good route here—the one that photographers would have preferred: larger, BSI sensor with less megapixels so there is less noise in low light conditions.
Throw in their whole “Floating lens”, which is a mechanical form of image stabilization (aka better than software based) and we’re talking a whole new category of a camera phone. I'VE seen some of the images and so far, I really like what we see. Expect more in the future
37. rsxl5 posted on 06 Sep 2012, 03:30 1 0
Why do some “pro” DSLRs cost so much? It’s because they have a giant sensor (it’s also why they’re so big).
Not only, lenses brightness, ability to not curve the image and physical size/dependencies of the way how they are build. Some things you can't get smaller and keep the quality - it's one of them.
808 was promising because somebody finally had a good thought that your mobile doesn't have to be 'the flattest' in the world and they made a trade between the quality and physical dependencies - resulting in better quality. But L920 is just L900 baked again with some cosmetic specs so they can say: hey, we did our work and we do care about people... (emphasized couple of times during Nokia's live on-line showoff).
There is not so much difference between L920 and L900 so why not upgrade L900 to W8? Just to make your customer that trusted you while buying L900 to buy L920 again...
... no comment.
I was never fan of Symbiant but I did believed in Nokia's brand. Well, after purchase of L900 and using it for a while I'm in the middle to make decision if not to drop the company for HTC. Future will show how it went.
31. J1919 posted on 06 Sep 2012, 01:41 1 0
You good Nokia, you good.
Despite this there is no reason to not trust Nokia with this new image tech. Have we forgotten about the, N82, N8 and 808? If this were HTC then i'd be more skeptical. (considering their much talked about Image sense was such a non event in actuality)
33. snowgator posted on 06 Sep 2012, 01:53 0 0
Less then 24 hours to own up to a mistake and correct it is not bad in this day and age.
34. voxmarc posted on 06 Sep 2012, 02:12 0 1
Nokia (Fail 1) + Microsoft (Fail 2) = Double Fail x Video Fail = Death.
35. Dunknown posted on 06 Sep 2012, 03:01 0 0
It's time to buy their stock and heard that there will be another set of phone will be coming from Nokia. What Mr Elop said, Groundbreaking by new year
39. gurpreet1100 posted on 06 Sep 2012, 04:50 0 1
i have iphone 4s,samsung galaxy s3
now i buy nokia lumia 920.
47. 7thspaceman posted on 08 Sep 2012, 12:48 0 0
The Verge and Nokia recently tested the Camera on the Nokia lumia 920 and it does indeed take good low light pictures. The Production crew Nokia got to do their work
decided to use equipment other than the Lumia 920 for video and still pictures. Mr Elop I am sure has jumped on the asses of this production crew for this really bad bad oversite and wont let it happen again. it did not have to happen because the Nokia 920's camera is working Fine check the "Verge" article
48. 7thspaceman posted on 08 Sep 2012, 13:06 0 0
I do not think that windows 8 smart phones will fail for the following reasons
1=Windows 8 OEM's are using state of the art electronic comonents to make windows 8 smart phone therefore a person who buy's one wont be buying junk. 2= the soft ware
Windows phone 8 is better than what is on current windows smart phones. Even Verizon
who was not a fan of Windows phone 7 OS smart phones backs Windows Phone 8
Verizon knows they wont be selling their customers junk! 3= Microsoft says that they will support Windows phone better than they did current windows phone 7 smart phones.
I predict that if worst comes to worst Microsoft will buy all of Nokia's smart phone division and let it run like skipe runs as a nearly interdependent company that will make Windows smart phiones.and keep control of Nokia's patents