German court ruling could force Google to make significant changes to Android
The problem for Google is that the patent deals with functions controlled by the operating system and unlike previous injunction rulings against Motorola Mobility, this patent ruling cannot be worked around without serious modifications to Android. Apps that use the Android messaging layer would need to be re-written and some functions that app developers used to get from Android will have to come from the apps themselves. And the Microsoft patent does not qualify for a FRAND designation which would allow Motorola Mobility to easily get a license for the patent without some tough negotiating with Microsoft.
import ban of Microsoft's Xbox 360. But even there, Motorola Mobility itself is unsure if the preliminary injunction issued by the Washington court also prevents them from blocking the video game console from entering the States. And the ITC merely gave Motorola Mobility a recommendation, not a ruling.
The legal issues here are getting to feel like that huge entanglement of AC cords that seem to be twisted around each other. Just the other day, Google won a patent case against Oracle while a few days ago Motorola Mobility had a import ban issued against it from the ITC for Android devices that infringe on another Microsoft patent. Industry-wide talks on resolving the issues and signing licenses calling for royalty payments would be the answer because if these legal problems continue, soon one won't be allowed to ship handsets anywhere.
1. mss1988 (Posts: 25; Member since: 19 Apr 2012)
In these days there's more more law topics in tech news than tech topics itself... it makes me sick...
51. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 2740; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
Wouldn't be a problem if Google would stop infringing on so many patents with Android.
3. GuiltyBystander (Posts: 199; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)
Wow, Microsoft is even a worse patent troll than Apple.
56. Sparhawk (Posts: 74; Member since: 10 Mar 2012)
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no matter how bull-headed, stupid and wrong they are." -- Author Unknown
22. remixfa (Posts: 13901; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
no, apple is still worse. MS is suing for actual patents to actual tech, not rectangles drawn on napkins and shapes.
MS also normally goes for royalties, and I doubt thats going to change. They make more off of android than they do off of WP7, so its highly unlikely that they will shoot themselves in the financial foot to be spiteful like apple would be.
However, if moto really gets some sort of injunction with the xbox360, then I'd suspect them to come to a mutual agreement to lay off.
37. TROLL.ISAHA (banned) (Posts: 535; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
Apple are. Were born as losers and advocates....
47. jroc74 (Posts: 3621; Member since: 30 Dec 2010)
I agree. I dont think MS is as bad as Apple. Apple also sues for bezel colors and widths.
5. wp74ver (banned) (Posts: 62; Member since: 10 May 2012)
Microsoft don't do or work anything ,let them do and find new ways instead of being copy cats like they are lol let the droidfags start hating on me lol I love when Microsoft does this to google lol .
14. tedkord (Posts: 3777; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Deep breath? He needs to take a remedial 3rd grade English class.
18. Whateverman (Posts: 3150; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Why don't you come up with a different way of insulting people who you obviously feel inferior to. That slur is really offensive.
21. medicci37 (Posts: 537; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)
@wp7fag4ever MS sucks & will eventually run out of people 2 sue. They can't make a mobile is that competes with Android or Apple. When they tried to copy the ipod with Zune, it was a huge fail ! Wp7 wouldn't have been necessary if they were not so incompetent on Vista. The xbox was a ripoff of the PlayStation. & There sorry add can't deal with competition. MS had about a 30 year head start with ie explorer, & Google still surpassed their theiving azzes. Also, MS wouldn't know innovation if it fell out their azz. People who don't mind getting it up the azz by companies like MS don't deserve a smartphone. For people who don't like getting f*cked by MS & Apple need a alternative. If not for google technology would be more expensive & we wouldn't have many of the advances that have taken place in the last few years.
49. Forsaken77 (Posts: 542; Member since: 09 Jun 2011)
You obviously don't give credit where credit is due. Microsoft invented the windows os. They are the ones that made computers user-friendly to consumers. The Xbox didn't copy the Playstation at all, it put out a better game machine. Why does the PS3 have a hard drive in it now? Cause the og Xbox started that trend. Where did the Playstation Network come from? Seems Sony was trying to copy the vastly superior Xbox Live service. Windows Phones aren't that great right now, but I'm betting that when version 8 rolls out that it'll be a different story (and I'm an Android user). Microsoft is one of the most innovative companies in the world. Alot of the current tech and software we use today is because Microsoft had a hand in it. Stop being such a fanboy because you sound like an ignorant brat.
61. medicci37 (Posts: 537; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)
90% of what you said is wrong. & As soon as your mother stops sucking my d*ck, Im gonna tell her to make you move out of the basement & get a life. Btw I don't care if microsoft has a hand in your anus. They still suck.
30. SleepingOz (Posts: 2371; Member since: 22 Oct 2011)
I'm glad that this news makes you happy 'coz it won't make WP any better. =]
35. TROLL.ISAHA (banned) (Posts: 535; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
U need, i advise u to take a bath or a shower....
6. tluv00 (Posts: 134; Member since: 18 Oct 2007)
Remember when companys used to actually use marketing and good products to get money and market share and not patent BS and lawyers?
Those were the good ole' days.
9. GuiltyBystander (Posts: 199; Member since: 05 Mar 2012)
The sad thing is that those days aren't long time ago, only a few years ago.
8. MtDewFella (Posts: 4; Member since: 23 Apr 2012)
The whole software patent problem is idiotic, there are so many patents that are so broadly worded it's impossible for anyone to make any code with out infringing on at least one of these patents, Heck I would be surprised if General Electrics toasters infringed on a few. The only reason android got targeted is because A) Google had no patents on it to protect it, mainly because they didn't want to play that game, and B) it's successful, MS has been know to also sue other companies over using Linux on servers, wanna guess where else MS is getting it's but kicked, oh right servers. That's MS strategy if at first you don't succeed, abuse your power and sue the hell out of everyone who dares oppose you.
10. wp74ver (banned) (Posts: 62; Member since: 10 May 2012)
You so right about that ,i been telling good be friendly support wp7 ,you don't wanna play hard with micromoney ,the have 60 billion cash they are too powerful, they didn't listen ,they don't want to pay for patents and that's what happen ,micro$oft step all over your copy cat ass .
15. theBankRobber (Posts: 640; Member since: 22 Sep 2011)
It doesn't matter how much money Microsoft has because Microsoft will still have to pay Motorola for the use of Motorola's patents. Also your forgetting Motorola is the REASON why Microsoft and Apple can make cell phones. Without Motorola's true creations for cell phone technology, we wouldn't have any of the choice of phones we have today.
31. medicci37 (Posts: 537; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)
If Android copied MS, it work suck so bad that nobody would want Android. & as far as fags go, I'm sure you have sucked plenty of d*ck. So what's your problem ?
13. androidornothing (Posts: 141; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)
Microsoft can suck Androids *******. They are a bunch of idiots who cant make a good OS and thats why they are attacking Google. WP looks a piece of ****. It looks like android pooped out junk and that junk turned out to be WP.
16. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 4579; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
I like Android, but I can't agree with you...
19. The.Average.Fanboy (Posts: 12; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
If their operating system is just SO terrible, then why even bother using a computer? I personally don't mind Windows or Windows Phone, although I prefer an iPhone/HTC One X... Besides, no one can argue the fact that Windows Phone offers a great price for a high quality phone.
33. medicci37 (Posts: 537; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)
I can. They offer a decent price for a mediocre phone. & There are many Android phones that are the same price or cheaper than windows (especially if you consider the price of apps on windows) because they have been out for awile. I would take the Rezound, for instance over any POS restricted Windows model !
25. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3496; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
Chill out. I don't see why you're taking such offense to this. It's people like you who give fans of Android a bad name. Ignorant and constantly throwing out childish vulgarity. Geez.
17. dvancleave (Posts: 32; Member since: 19 Jul 2010)
Seems like both Apple and Microsoft are desparately trying to suppress Google (Android). From a business perspective it makes a lot of sense for both of them. But from the consumer perspective, it sucks.
In the past decade, Apple has enjoyed incredible growth. And they often times have done so at the expense and demise of competing companies. Simply put, they do not wish to COMPETE. They have deep pockets and resort to litigation to financially destroy their competition. After all, it is easy to dominate a market segment without any competition. And in this not all fault lies with Apple exclusively. The Patent Office seems to be freely granting patents on just about anything and everything these days. It is a miracle that any company can design and build anything without infringing on another's patent(s).
As for Microsoft, they have long enjoyed looking down on the commoners from afar without worry or concern. Alas, the I.T. infrastructure is evolving rapidly as demand continues to increase exponentially. Companies have always relied on Microsoft for their workstation platforms. And home users embrace the simple point and click wonders of Windows too. Microsoft even pentrated deep into the enterprise servers with their Server OS's. But then a funny thing came along and became a fad. It is a thing called virtualization. And VM-Ware is king is this realm. This essentially allows an administrator to take a physical system and configure it to run virtual machines. In lay terms, a single physical machine is configured and running as several servers. It is a huge cost cutting measures for companies. And it streamlines the administrative side too. Now is where it gets interesting. Microsoft makes a LOT of money off of licensing. And this whole virtualization thing throws a curve ball into the mix. And VM-Ware is competition after all. So now they come back and hit companies running VM-Ware with licensing fees per Windows workstation that connects to a VM server. Now, most corporate users have PC's as a tool to do their jobs. And the most common tasks include MS Office apps, internet browsers and interfaces, and some custom apps. Since the same OS that runs on smart phones can easily be adapted and used for tablets, why could it not also be adpated and used for workstations? You see, Android is open-source and FREE! Just think of the potential damage that could cause if this Android was adapted and deployed in the corporate setting. Do you not see the bottom line cost savings businesses might forsee with such a venture?
Only time will tell how it all plays out. But my guess would be that we have not yet seen the slumbering giant named Google fully awaken.
20. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3496; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
This just got real. Not Xbox. ANYTHING BUT THE XBOX
23. taco50 (banned) (Posts: 5506; Member since: 08 Oct 2009)
Yes sir I'm loving this. Hopefully Apple and Microsoft together can squash the turd that is google.
26. tedkord (Posts: 3777; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Too late. The Oracle patent case is the end of Google...wait, what?
29. tedkord (Posts: 3777; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Well, at least Oracle came close to destroying Google...wait, what?
27. PhoneArenaUser (Posts: 4579; Member since: 05 Aug 2011)
Trying to draw a picture where Apple and Microsoft are friend? Right? :)
28. Berzerk000 (Posts: 3496; Member since: 26 Jun 2011)
That's just rude. Google is a very well made company, who is already succeeding Microsoft in the mobile business. Instead of suing Google over the tiniest thing, why don't Apple and Microsoft just get some new, better products and good marketing, so people would be more persuaded to go to them? Apple makes good products, Microsoft makes good products, and Google makes good products. On the subject of patent infringement, everyone has stole something from someone at one point in time. Microsoft, Google, and Apple have all done it. And to sue for the same thing that you committed as well, is very much hypocritical. Though, in the business world, not being hypocritical is a VERY rare occurrence. My point, don't judge Google for something Apple and Microsoft have both done themselves.
41. TROLL.ISAHA (banned) (Posts: 535; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
Cause there a bunch ov cowards...
32. iamcc (Posts: 1319; Member since: 07 Oct 2011)
Taco... just stop already bro. You are so pathetic...
42. TROLL.ISAHA (banned) (Posts: 535; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
He's not pathetic, but a brainwashed, sad,bad,mad
Apple he worships.
Apple controls him.
Siri is his girlfriend.
44. protozeloz (Posts: 5284; Member since: 16 Sep 2010)
54. chadrick0814 (Posts: 208; Member since: 23 Nov 2011)
They certainly can't do it through competition.
58. Non_Sequitur (Posts: 1111; Member since: 16 Mar 2012)
Taco, tell me that you don't use Google search, Youtube, or any other Google affiliated products, even on your iPhone.
Apple is the turd here that tries to sue everyone over ridiculous s**t.
24. ivanko34 (Posts: 617; Member since: 04 Sep 2011)
Poor german people
Ugly terrible history
And no more android phone in this sad country
34. medicci37 (Posts: 537; Member since: 19 Nov 2011)
The world would be a better place without MS, Bill Gates & Steve Ballmers sorry azz. Just a bunch of theiving little b*tches. Just like the losers who support them :)
40. TROLL.ISAHA (banned) (Posts: 535; Member since: 28 Mar 2012)
True bunch ov uncivilized skmbgs along with Apple.....
43. Gusto (Posts: 28; Member since: 20 Mar 2012)
Guess Phonearena is not a verry concise site. One time they put Florian's word as doubtfull (http://www.phonearena.com/news/Evidence-of-paid-anti-Google-bias-in-patent-news-coverage-is-troubling_id29278 ), and now they use him as a source?
to end lets quote a phrase of PA: "The problem isn't so much with one person's opinion, it's when that opinion is widely (and uncritically) reported as the unvarnished truth".
48. InspectorGadget80 (Posts: 5462; Member since: 26 Mar 2011)
and of course M$ pays the courts to RULE OUT ANDROID in Germany. But Germany isn't M$ home court. At least Motorola gets a taste of victory against M$ for the Xbox 360. Google might as well leave any country that anyone tries to BAN ANDROID yes I'm talking to u APPLE & M$
57. sprockkets (Posts: 845; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)
That guy mueller is an idiot. All that has to be done is simply split up the messages instead of combining them. Easy. Germany bans stuff for the lamest of crap.
59. angelesmec (unregistered)
I hate things like this.. I love Microsoft Windows as a PC OS and I love Google's Android as a Mobile OS and also their services like mail, maps, search and many more.. never mind Apple.. I was never a fan of Apple anyway.. Hope this will be resolved soon and I hope things like this will be avoided in the future..