Foxconn may be building 10" Kindle Fire for Q2 release
1. tward291 (Posts: 559; Member since: 14 Feb 2012)
so i guess amazon doest care about the attention foxconn has been getting with how they treat there employees. foxconn must be saving these companies a pretty penny to keep em coming
2. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
each factory is run, paid, and treated differently per client request. i keep my fingers crossed that amazon is keeping things nicer than apple, but i wouldnt hold my breath.
6. greathero1 (Posts: 554; Member since: 13 Jun 2008)
lol to "each factory is run, paid, and treated differently per client request." You don't really believe that do you?
10. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
according to foxcon policy and its owner, yes. Clients dictate the conditions of the factories and just how deep foxconn is allowed to screw its employees.
If you pay attention to these articles of foxcon, we have already gone over all of this. WITH the raises that were just dolled out, the Xbox factory workers get something like $1.20 an hour. With those same raises, the ipad workers get around $0.60 an hour. Each factory is run according to the clients wishes. It is the client, after all, that is paying those wages in the form of contract costs.. not foxconn.
3. Whateverman (Posts: 3237; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Yep! These companies only care about their bottom line. I wish there were a list of what phones were made in what factory, because Apple shouldn't be the only company we hold responsible for changing things at Foxconn. Also, it would be nice to know which phones, if any, are made in the US.
4. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
I dont think there are really any made in the US anymore. Moto and Nokia used to make them here though. I know a lot of parts for ANDROID phones are though. :) Qualcom (Crapdragon), Texas Instruments (OMAP), and Samsung (Exynos) all have chip foundries in the US.
Many times there will be a factory identifier on the device, either embedded into the phone's serial numbers or elsewhere. Otherwise, u can always do research on each company to see what factories they use. Unfortunately many of them do use Foxconn. I feel safe with my Sammy phones though as they are all made in house at samsung factories which are mostly in Korea/phillipines which have better (but still not exellent) working conditions
5. Whateverman (Posts: 3237; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Hey Remix, I've noticed you have a wealth of knowledge when it comes to SOCs, and also that you aren't really a big fan of Snapdragon or Crapdragon processors as you often call them. What is it about the S3 and S4 that you don't like? And do you think the Tegra 3 is gonna out perform the S4?
9. idgaf (Posts: 31; Member since: 06 Sep 2011)
He calls it crapdragon because the S3 uses an older Cortex-A8 while the rest use Cortex-A9 structure so the S3 doesnt perform as well. The S4 will definitely out perform the Tegra 3 since the S4 uses Cortex-A15 compared to the Tegra 3's Cortex-A9s
11. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
aaaaah.. your confusing issues.
Qualcomm does not use ARM designs. They use their own. The S3 is considered an "A8 equivilant". The new S4 Krait dual core is an "A9 equivlant". Eventually they will release the S4 Krait that is an "A15 equivilant".. so on and so forth.
So no, as of right this moment, the T3 is the king. When the S4 Krait quad core comes out I expect similar results to the T3, with maybe a slight edge at best.
The first "scheduled" out of the gate A-15 design is the Exynos 5xxx chips... if there is truth to the rumors.. and if Nvidia doesnt beat them to the punch with their A-15 "Gray" chipset.
They should be out by the end of Q2 at the earliest for both. The S4 quad core should be out Q3/Q4.
The exynos 5xxx quadcores use a much more monsterous GPU than the S4 quadcore does, though. Also the 5xxx chip is going to be faster than the S4 chip.
Qualcomm is going to be really behind i think until 2013 when the 2nd generation Quad core comes out. That is when we get to PS3/ XBOX power. Though the 2nd generation exynos 5xxx quadcore is supposed to be even more powerful than that.. its all conjecture at this point though.
All n all, I think this year's quad cores are going to line up very similarly to last years dual core madness. Exynos on top, then probably Omap5, T4, then S4. The one I know the least about right now is the OMAP5, as Texas Instruments has been very quiet compared to the rest.
As far as what i dont like. the S3 chips suck. they have the worst battery life, least power, and crappy GPU of all the dual cores. The S4 is nicer, but it brings it just a hair above the current Exynos chip. When the exynos 4212 dual core gets release with the same die shrink that the S4 is taking, its going to be around 50% more powerful.. leaving the dual core S4 in the dust.
12. Whateverman (Posts: 3237; Member since: 17 May 2009)
Thanks! I liked everything I was hearing about the S4, but wasn't sure. I was thinking the quad core Exynos would be the best thing out there, but they still haven't figured out LTE yet, while the S4 already has the 3G/4G switching issue resolved. Then there's Intel trying to enter the game too. IDK, just trying to figure out how they all match up.
13. remixfa (Posts: 14255; Member since: 19 Dec 2008)
Intel is the dark horse. i think intel will fall flat.. at least for their first generation.. but I could be wrong.
Samsung is having their issues, but when they get it all glued together, it should be the best chip in both dual and quadcore form for the forseeable future. Samsung's designs and mods are just better than everyone elses. Eventually I'm going to have to stop dogging on Crapdragons (as much..lol) because we are comming to a point very shortly where all the chip designs will have more than enough power for anything the system will throw at it.
Which is kind of nice. Lag should be a thing of the past real soon... Right along with horrible battery life. Now it will just be "fair to bad" instead of "passable to horrid".. lol
By the middle of 2013 most people will be whining that they cant make it 2 or 3 days on a single charge.. the same way that people are whining about 1 day now.. lol
8. tward291 (Posts: 559; Member since: 14 Feb 2012)
in third world countries working conditions are not going to be up to us or Eu standards. thats the sad reality but that doesnt mean that the Eu and US cant change that by making companies who use them increase the standard