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At 600 nits, the Nokia Lumia 925 display is the brightest mobile AMOLED panel to date

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At 600 nits, the Nokia Lumia 925 display is the brightest mobile AMOLED panel to date

We spotted in the developer specifications for the Lumia 925 yesterday that Nokia lists the 4.5" HD OLED screen as having a peak brightness of 600 nits, but thought that there's been a database mismatch with the Lumia 920, which is also listed at 600 nits, but has an LCD screen, and such peak brightness is achievable there.

After all, even Samsung doesn't boost its Super AMOLED panels beyond 300-400 nits, which, despite the low reflectance ratio of its displays, still makes them pretty bad for outdoor usage, especially in bright sunlight.

Nokia, however, just outed a "Why the Nokia Lumia 925 is a screen idol" article, confirming that it is using a combination of technologies for the Lumia 925 panel, and its engineers have indeed maxed out the brightness at 600 nits, which is on par with the best LCDs out there, including the luminant iPhone 5.

Kenneth Majander from the display development team at Nokia, elaborates: "With the Nokia Lumia 925, we’re using a new laminated AMOLED display technology, which brings a lot of advantages. For one thing, AMOLED allows us to remove an air gap between the screen and the display."

This makes the panel thinner, brighter and less reflective, but Samsung is also taking advantage of these OLED-specific features in its Galaxy line displays, so what gives? It might have something to do with Nokia's ClearBlack layer that it puts on its touchscreens, reducing reflections and improving contrast further. On top of that, despite that we have the typical for OLED screens wide viewing angles and saturated colors, Nokia has provided a Color Profiling app that offers many levels of saturation to choose from, in addition to cool, neutral and warm options.

"Some people prefer more natural colours on their screen. Others want to make it more vivid,” adds Kenneth. “The new app offers a slider allowing 11 degrees of vividness.”

Add to all of the above an improved Synaptics technology for a super-sensitive touchscreen that can be operated with gloves, a feature that got introduced with the Lumia 920, and enhanced further on the 925, and, pending our review of the handset, this panel might be the best mobile OLED display to date, despite being a "mere" HD resolution.

source: Nokia

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posted on 15 May 2013, 04:31 46

1. SIGPRO (Posts: 393; Member since: 03 Oct 2012)


Nice, and people say Nokia is not innovating.
I think Nokia is on of the biggest phone innovators!

posted on 15 May 2013, 04:32 7

3. darkskoliro (Posts: 935; Member since: 07 May 2012)


batter 2000mah = dead in half a day at full brightness :)

posted on 15 May 2013, 04:37 22

5. SIGPRO (Posts: 393; Member since: 03 Oct 2012)


How do you know? you own a 925?
Let's wait for the test's and it also depends how people use the phone!

posted on 15 May 2013, 04:56 7

10. darkskoliro (Posts: 935; Member since: 07 May 2012)


its a guess, considering the galaxy line doest fair too well in battery life at full brightness.

posted on 15 May 2013, 11:32 2

56. akki20892 (Posts: 3244; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)


jealousy

posted on 16 May 2013, 13:58 1

66. darkskoliro (Posts: 935; Member since: 07 May 2012)


jealous of what? I got a beautiful 5" 1080p screen in my hands :) Hardly jealous of a lower res amoled.

posted on 15 May 2013, 14:55 1

61. cam-whore (Posts: 164; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)


well, you probably answered your own doubts, never compare nokia's battery life with cheap plastic phones....you will be disappointed...

posted on 15 May 2013, 09:41

53. Taters (Posts: 2584; Member since: 28 Jan 2013)


There is some kind of solution here that Nokia uses. You can actually over clock the brightness on a Galaxy S phone. Someone cranked the the GS2 to 600 nits and the battery died in like less than hour according to him.

So he is probably right unless Nokia figured out something.

posted on 15 May 2013, 05:07 24

16. darkkjedii (Posts: 10102; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Who the heck uses their phone at full brightness?

posted on 15 May 2013, 05:34 1

22. darkskoliro (Posts: 935; Member since: 07 May 2012)


me? Everyday? what kind of a question is that..

posted on 15 May 2013, 06:41 5

38. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 2992; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)


Lol...Dark and Dark arguing!! Splendid!! :D

posted on 15 May 2013, 07:25 8

45. darkkjedii (Posts: 10102; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


But why? Why would you need to?

posted on 16 May 2013, 13:59

67. darkskoliro (Posts: 935; Member since: 07 May 2012)


Because I live in a world where there is actually sunlight :)

posted on 15 May 2013, 05:45 1

24. PapaSmurf (Posts: 7328; Member since: 14 May 2012)


I do...

posted on 15 May 2013, 07:26 2

46. darkkjedii (Posts: 10102; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Why smurf?

posted on 15 May 2013, 06:10 4

28. Nathan_ingx (Posts: 2992; Member since: 07 Mar 2012)


Exactly Bro...if there's the ambient light sensor then i'll leave it to that but it's pointless pushing the brightness when you're indoors.

posted on 15 May 2013, 07:24

44. darkkjedii (Posts: 10102; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Exactly just set it to auto brightness and be done with it.

posted on 15 May 2013, 06:15 6

29. xperiaDROID (Posts: 5047; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


Only reviewers will turn the phone to full brightness when reviewing it.

posted on 15 May 2013, 07:27 3

47. darkkjedii (Posts: 10102; Member since: 05 Feb 2011)


Exactly just to test the unit, but for everyday use, auto brightness will do

posted on 15 May 2013, 07:33 3

48. xperiaDROID (Posts: 5047; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


That's right! That's why ambient light sensors are useful, if a phone has no ambient light sensor, it won't have auto brightness.

posted on 15 May 2013, 09:07 3

51. -box- (Posts: 3708; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


I keep my Lumia 900 at minimum brightness unless I am outside in the sun, when I crank it up so I can see the screen without shading it with my hand. Same with my prior C7 Astound and 701.

posted on 16 May 2013, 06:43

63. user996 (Posts: 180; Member since: 25 Feb 2013)


701 has highest brightness figure even today over 1000 nits if you turn it to a maximum brightness it will hurt your eyes

posted on 16 May 2013, 12:44

65. Dastrix (Posts: 570; Member since: 23 Nov 2012)


I do dark, to show off my splendid yellow 920's awesome screen! :)

posted on 15 May 2013, 10:09

55. alpinejason (Posts: 260; Member since: 06 Sep 2011)


any android yes that would happen for sure

posted on 15 May 2013, 07:01

41. djcody (Posts: 43; Member since: 17 Apr 2013)


I just wonder who making for them the screen panels?? Any one??

posted on 17 May 2013, 09:42

68. user996 (Posts: 180; Member since: 25 Feb 2013)


yes samsung BUT there is CLA|EAR BLACK that is nokia's own tech that's why nokia's amoled displays became best

posted on 15 May 2013, 12:09

58. Pedro0x (Posts: 271; Member since: 19 Oct 2012)


We don´t know much about the screen right now, it does have 600 nits but it might not have such a good low reflectance ratio as Samsung phones have. But 600 nits is a lot, hell of a lot more than Samsung. But 600 nits is going to need power, I think that it is better if you have low nits but very low reflectance. My SGS 1 which is 3 years old still beats SGS 3 in screen, I can set my screen to 50% and I can see in sunlight pretty good unlike SGS 3, the only thing where SGS 3 beats my phone is resolution. I also made my screen to display more accurate colours which is great. I have no idea what the he.. Samsung ''improves'' on their displays but I expected by now way better displays. Nokia set a new bar on OLED displays I think, I also hope for RGB, now that would be an awesome screen. Way better than LCD for my taste, if it wouldn´t be for the old HW and annoying Windows Phone, I would recommend it, I just don´t like it. Screen is a very important thing about a phone so it is only good if Nokia improves it.

posted on 15 May 2013, 04:31 6

2. Hammerfest (Posts: 360; Member since: 12 May 2012)


I wont lie, Nokia makes some great tech... but... its running Windows Phone...

I can care less what OS it runs as long as its not WinBlows Phone... Hell, Ill take the Windows Mobile 6.5 on my Mogul and Touch Pro 2 oh, and lets not forget my HD2 anyday, over Windows Phone!

Im sorry, I dont like the UI on the desktop, and I dont like it on the phone, Tile displays bug the piss outta me (but my great grandma loves them! go old folks phone os!)

posted on 15 May 2013, 04:35 14

4. SIGPRO (Posts: 393; Member since: 03 Oct 2012)


If you hate it then don't buy it simple as that!

posted on 15 May 2013, 05:22 6

20. DKJnr (Posts: 22; Member since: 11 Mar 2013)


Thank you!! I hate people who comment and say crap!

posted on 15 May 2013, 06:31 4

35. giri555 (Posts: 95; Member since: 15 Mar 2012)


You choose WM 6.5 over Windows Phone??? ..You seem to be a Fool....lol....hahahhaha....you are a laughing stock...

posted on 15 May 2013, 09:11 2

52. -box- (Posts: 3708; Member since: 04 Jan 2012)


Excepting that they aren't icons with rounded corners, what don't you like about them? One thing I love about them compared to the HTC Sensation I had running 4.0 ICS is that the icons don't get lost amongst the other stuff on the screen, that is, it isn't a big mess of stuff like a tween's old MySpace page. It is clean, crisp, and instantly informative.

posted on 15 May 2013, 14:59 2

62. cam-whore (Posts: 164; Member since: 21 Feb 2013)


don;t worry, they didnt make windows phone for specially for you, they made it for the really smart chosen ones.....seems your grandma's a smart one, others use an iphone...

posted on 16 May 2013, 06:50

64. skinny95black (Posts: 113; Member since: 06 Jan 2013)


And they will change their opinion because you wont but their phones ?
who gives a damn about what you think I like the phone and i will trade any phone for lumia 925

posted on 15 May 2013, 04:48 8

8. DannydaKid (Posts: 4; Member since: 15 May 2013)


Yeah , this explains the Puremotion HD+ on an OLED display as well, been confused since yesterday. But there's reasons why Samsung don't want to turn up the brightness as well. They are the OLED's lifetime and the device's battery life, Samsung don't want both to burn out too fast. I hope Nokia has a solution for that since they ignore it

posted on 15 May 2013, 08:13

49. taz89 (Posts: 2008; Member since: 03 May 2011)


Exactly oled burn quicker on a the highest brightness...

posted on 15 May 2013, 12:58

59. Pedro0x (Posts: 271; Member since: 19 Oct 2012)


Samsung adresses the brightness problem with reducing the gaps between layers in the screen. And making the screen reflect much less sunlight which leads to better visibility. OLED screens don´t use any backlight, they make their own, and I believe that Nokia maybe used better materials or a better TFT backplane. Maybe they just let in more power to the TFT so it illuminates more.

posted on 15 May 2013, 04:57 1

11. Leo_MC (Posts: 476; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)


Doesn't LCD use more power than OLED?
If 920 can get through a whole day, it should be a snatch for 925 to do the same.

posted on 15 May 2013, 06:18

31. vincelongman (Posts: 946; Member since: 10 Feb 2013)


I'm not sure, but I think OLED uses less power if the screen is showing a black or a similar dark color because it shows true black, no light, saving power. But when the screen is of white or a color that requires more colors to make, then I think OLED uses more or about the same (depends on color) power.

posted on 15 May 2013, 08:23 2

50. Leo_MC (Posts: 476; Member since: 02 Dec 2011)


OK, but WP ui is colorful tiles on black background, the menu is the same: shortcuts on black background; system apps also have black background with white text; we just have to wait and see.

posted on 15 May 2013, 04:58 5

12. dexter_jdr (Posts: 1089; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)


once again, nokia solved first world problems. now you cant complain amoled's unreal color reproduction.

posted on 15 May 2013, 04:59 1

13. FiddyPence (Posts: 21; Member since: 08 Aug 2012)


Guys there is nothing Innovative about this.

Samsung could have 600 nit AMOLED's but they are to busy worrying about winning battery benchmarks so they cap the brightness at around 300 nits.

posted on 15 May 2013, 05:00

14. SonyFindOneDroidple (Posts: 441; Member since: 11 May 2013)


Oled is power hungry with too much brightness but we'll see..

Anyway does gs4's OLED is really poor when it comes to sunlight legibility?? Gsmarena's test puts 808 pureview at top, next is iphone 5 then s3 and s4

posted on 15 May 2013, 06:36

36. user996 (Posts: 180; Member since: 25 Feb 2013)


as we saw 925 has same Amoled and same ClearBlack tech together and it will be on top with 808

posted on 15 May 2013, 05:09 2

17. tiara6918 (Posts: 1322; Member since: 26 Apr 2012)


I hope they'll keep on making amoled screens better and better. Amoled is the best screen display for smartphones!

posted on 15 May 2013, 05:11 6

18. roldefol (Posts: 2858; Member since: 28 Jan 2011)


I rarely run my phone at max brightness, but If I had the ability to really crank it up in direct sunlight, it would be nice. I remember how unusable my AMOLED dumbphone got in sun, so I'm glad to see what strides Nokia and Samsung have made with the tech.

posted on 15 May 2013, 05:12 10

19. calim (Posts: 18; Member since: 09 Mar 2013)


The Xperia P does 1000 nits, so it's far from "on par with the best LCDs out there"...

posted on 15 May 2013, 06:38 6

37. user996 (Posts: 180; Member since: 25 Feb 2013)


Nokia 701 was the first smartphone which claimed over 1000 nits and what now?

posted on 15 May 2013, 06:49 5

39. dexter_jdr (Posts: 1089; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)


nokia 701 is also 1000 nits. although it is LCD, it is also older than XperiaP

posted on 15 May 2013, 06:51 5

40. dexter_jdr (Posts: 1089; Member since: 28 Jun 2012)


BUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNN

posted on 15 May 2013, 05:46 2

25. JaroB (Posts: 38; Member since: 13 Feb 2013)


SONY Xperia P White Magic 935 nits !!!

posted on 15 May 2013, 07:08 1

42. EXkurogane (Posts: 863; Member since: 07 Mar 2013)


So many people jealous here... Asking what is the point of full brightness? Stupid question. Of course u r not going to use it all the time. My 920 on auto brightness, the moment you take it out in the sun it automatically shoots up to max brightness, colors become washed out but you can resf every single text easily. The moment you walk into a shade the brightness goes down immediately.

And for those saying Sony xperia p can go 1000nits, Nokia 701, an older phone does the same. And please don't include Sony when it comes to the screen topic. Their screens are just awful in viewing angles.

posted on 15 May 2013, 07:16 10

43. Klevis88 (Posts: 12; Member since: 15 May 2013)


There are a lot of Android trolls in every Nokia article that try to belittle Nokia's hardware. They might also be misguided (not trolls) people but 12 billion $ in marketing from Samsung alone will have this effect. Nokia is one of the best phones in all the ways that matter. In every possible way that we experience our phones, Nokia delivers:
1)Premium feel
2)Sturdy phones
3)Great audio enhanced by Dolby for great listening experience
4)The best audio recording that makes every situation very pleasurable from loud concerts to calling in places with loud noises.
5)Highest refresh rates of every screen which makes everything look smooth.
6)Can be used with gloves which is especially important in cold days
7)The high brightness of the screen makes it perfect for sunny days. There were some worries that that much brightness is overkill and harms the battery life. First of all Nokia does not fix the brightness but it uses a light sensor that automatically changes the level of brightness to adapt to each situation. Battery life with AMOLED displays will only improve because of the focus that WP puts on blacks. If you remember, AMOLED displays turn off pixels to create true blacks. This means that most of the screen will be off most of the time saving energy.
8)Wireless charging (for more simplicity)
9)Good designs
10)One of the best speakers
11)The best camera for smooth videos as a result of OIS
12)Great photos in every situation day, night, cloudy, sunny etc
13)Best reception
etc.
So in every way that matters for our interaction with our phones Nokia is the best alternative hardware-wise. There might be some limitations with WP and some people have their preferences for the UI, but the Android fans who try to belittle Nokia based on hardware should wise up. Smartphones are devices whose purpose is to provide services and for media consumption. None of these things needs an octa-core processor. Even in the future there will be no real need for these kinds of CPUs because people don't use Photoshop or AutoCAD and they don't do video editing and file compression and decompression on their smartphones. Smartphones are consumption devices. I will grant you that sometime in the future there might be a game (I am skeptical about this because of the screen sizes of smartphones) that needs a quad-core processor but everything else is an overkill. Now with the new gimmicky and overwhelming software features Samsung S4 is the smartphone equivalent of the redneck who has built a bunker underground and is armed to the teeth in case of a zombie apocalypse (too much future proofing).

posted on 15 May 2013, 11:34 4

57. akki20892 (Posts: 3244; Member since: 04 Feb 2013)


one word to you: agree

posted on 15 May 2013, 14:01 2

60. deburocks (Posts: 126; Member since: 20 Apr 2013)


one up fr me as well bro. We seriously dont need quad core right now. To seem sophisticated there is no need to add more cores. Even pentium processors works awesum with dual core chips. And if u add thses specifications in phn then,
1) ur phone will overheat( as the case vid s4 right now) the temprature goes to 55 c at the back, so all u android and sammy lovers, please save ur lives ,it can even blast.
2) all the new bulky heavy and unnecessary games will now b made acrrdng to quadcore processor( frankly if u leave aside temple run, subway surfer , angry birds , asphalt, nfs etc playng games in phn suxxx , its better to play in a huge screen in ur ps2-3-4 , nintendo or x box)
3) this is wastage of resources and will call for more resources to back it up( battery, motherboard and sockets).

Nokia uses technology keeping in mind whats needed in present and what could b the need in future. If u say they are years back then ur wrong nokia has spent like biliions in r n d only and nt in advrtising. Dats speaks fr its innovation( even a chinese comoany can add quadcores in their spec sheet, so its nt a big deal at all fr nokia).

posted on 15 May 2013, 09:46 2

54. cdgoin (Posts: 363; Member since: 28 Jul 2010)


The real question is how much and when will T-mobile carry it..?

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