The situation is not yet desperate, as Samsung and Apple resume patent talks, officials say
This comes after 17-hour marathon talks between the two failed last year, as Samsung refused to settle for what is reported to be a $30 overhead in licensing fees, demanded by Cupertino, for every smartphone the South Korean company produces. Regardless, Sammy's mobile division head, Shin Jong-kyun, is said to be considering another round of talks in early 2014. We're told that Samsung is working hard to reach a settlement that will see Apple agree to cross-license some of its design and standards-essential IP portfolio.
The two companies have been in a stage of legal war since April 2011, with no clear 'winner' so far, though Apple did manage a sweet win, twice. The number of unsettled cases has actually been brought down by as much as 25% of the original number, though it's still far from over. In fact, a second major clash is expected in March, with high-profile devices, such as the Galaxy S3 and the iPhone 5, about to take some rival beating.
source: The Korea Times via SamMobile
1. xperiaDROID (limited) (Posts: 5399; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)
18. Ashoaib (Posts: 1922; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)
30$ is too much, 3$ for every set is more than fine...
3. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 2604; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
This is great news for Sammy if applied.
5. joey_sfb (Posts: 2892; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
How does paying $30 over head for design patent good news while Apple willing to pay penny or a few cents for actual invention that cost many engineering man hours and research fund to develop.
7. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 2604; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)
Sorry my bad. I thought they found some mid way solution for settlement coz they are fighting from years now, but another round of talks required.
10. designerfx (Posts: 68; Member since: 26 Mar 2013)
talks are just talks and nothing more until something happens. A court is likely forcing the talks but it never guarantees any sort of negotiation. It could be two parties in a room together going "no, we aren't compromising" for an hour.
4. Loubielou (Posts: 208; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)
We All Want this Stupid Episode to Finally become completed,because the others are now copying this Saga,like Nokia with HTC,but with the MWC coming up soon an Samsung releasing some more New Models,then Apple might start doing there best to stop certain phones being released in different countries,
6. joey_sfb (Posts: 2892; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
No the consumer have benefited from apple and Samsung cut throat hostility. Both parties are willing to throw in more features lower theirs price within months, throw in more goodie with each purchase.
So competition is sweet.
12. tedkord (Posts: 4702; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
No, we haven't. This harms us and competition. The legal costs are huge, and are either passed on to us or taken away from R&D/design. Meanwhile companies have to tiptoe around and avoid obvious solutions to issues and functionality because of overbroad, obvious and prior art patents being asserted for bans instead of licensing agreements.
13. joey_sfb (Posts: 2892; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)
Logically you assumption is correct till you look at the deals they are offering you for your purchase.
Imagine if Apple and Samsung are in bed having a loving relationship how much more could they charge us without competing. If like take it or leave it this is what i think it's a fair price period.
20. tedkord (Posts: 4702; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
They will still be competitors. Having cross licensing wouldn't put them in bed. And there are price fixing laws (as Apple recently found out)
9. box14380 (Posts: 18; Member since: 28 Nov 2013)
I find this news very interesting to both camps of Samsung and Apple coz I'm tired of their patent war saga. At least there is a chance to settle the disputes on patents in a good way.
This will open up good friendship to die-hard fanboys in each camp.
No more bashing I hope. :)
11. nasznjoka (Posts: 339; Member since: 05 Oct 2012)
even apple infringes on Samsung's so its both ways
14. Mxyzptlk (limited) (Posts: 3510; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)
Samsung abuses FRAND patents. Fair and reasonable don't apply.
16. sprockkets (Posts: 1160; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)
The FTC found otherwise when apple said they wouldn't pay royalties until found guilty.
21. tedkord (Posts: 4702; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)
Incorrect and dishonest. The legal body of patent law experts that investigated the case found conclusively that Samsung was NOT abusing FRAND patents, but rather were engaging in good faith negotiations and that Apple was abusing the the negotiation process by engaging in a reverse holdup.
Apple was the guilty party. You don't have to like it you just have to live with it.
15. androiphone20 (Posts: 1422; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)
$30 for each device made by the Korean giant? Say they make 200m, woah that's a home run
19. johnbftl (Posts: 190; Member since: 09 Jun 2012)
You're living in a place other than reality. You're not taking into account all the figures that go into one handset. Let's use the Galaxy Note 3 as an example. The parts cost of manufacturing one handset is $237.50(US). Now let's add $30 to that the bat. That doesn't include labor costs. It doesn't include the cost of marketing.
Now the MSRP of the Galaxy Note 3 is currently $699.99. That's not what Samsung sells each handset to the carriers wholesale. Let's just put an estimate on it and say they sell the for $550. Given all those factors, knowing last year Samsung spent $401 million on marketing for the Galaxy series of devices and probably even more this year, that doesn't leave a whole lot that it's making per device compared to Apple whose cost to retailers and carriers is generally about $9 below MSRP.
17. bumstah (Posts: 14; Member since: 08 Oct 2013)
With all these patent wars, must be nice to be a lawyer these days.
22. roscuthiii (Posts: 1789; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)
Odd, Apple suddenly finds themselves willing to sit down and talk again after Samsung announces they've developed their new LPDDR4 DRAM. (And are or will be taking manufacturers soon.)
Someone doesn't want to get left out...