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The situation is not yet desperate, as Samsung and Apple resume patent talks, officials say

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The situation is not yet desperate, as Samsung and Apple resume patent talks, officials say

Electronics giant Samsung and its archrival, Apple, have reportedly resumed patent talks, in an effort to put an end to what can be best described as a legal war, one that has been raging across the world for almost two years now. According to a Fair Trade Commission official, however, the dominant duo is in the process of working through their differences in order to reach a more amicable solution:

As far as I know, the companies recently resumed working-level discussions toward the signing of a potential deal. They are in the process of narrowing differences over royalty payments,” said the FTC rep. “This is all about money and pride. This is not a political issue,” he added. “That’s why U.S. President Barack Obama vetoed a ruling by the U.S. International Trade Commission that had decided to place a complete ban on certain Apple products in the U.S. If Obama lets the USITC’s decision take effect, then concerns will be raised that the U.S. government cares too much about Samsung-owned patents.”

This comes after 17-hour marathon talks between the two failed last year, as Samsung refused to settle for what is reported to be a $30 overhead in licensing fees, demanded by Cupertino, for every smartphone the South Korean company produces. Regardless, Sammy's mobile division head, Shin Jong-kyun, is said to be considering another round of talks in early 2014. We're told that Samsung is working hard to reach a settlement that will see Apple agree to cross-license some of its design and standards-essential IP portfolio.

The two companies have been in a stage of legal war since April 2011, with no clear 'winner' so far, though Apple did manage a sweet win, twice. The number of unsettled cases has actually been brought down by as much as 25% of the original number, though it's still far from over. In fact, a second major clash is expected in March, with high-profile devices, such as the Galaxy S3 and the iPhone 5, about to take some rival beating.

source: The Korea Times via SamMobile

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posted on 30 Dec 2013, 06:11 2

1. xperiaDROID (Posts: 5258; Member since: 08 Mar 2013)


http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/173/576/Wat8.jpg?1315930535

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 06:21 1

2. o0Exia0o (Posts: 343; Member since: 01 Feb 2013)


LMFAO! Thank you sir. 1+

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 13:18

18. Ashoaib (Posts: 1509; Member since: 15 Nov 2013)


30$ is too much, 3$ for every set is more than fine...

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 07:18

3. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 2530; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)


This is great news for Sammy if applied.

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 07:31 3

5. joey_sfb (Posts: 2780; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


How does paying $30 over head for design patent good news while Apple willing to pay penny or a few cents for actual invention that cost many engineering man hours and research fund to develop.

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 07:57

7. itsdeepak4u2000 (Posts: 2530; Member since: 03 Nov 2012)


Sorry my bad. I thought they found some mid way solution for settlement coz they are fighting from years now, but another round of talks required.

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 09:02

10. designerfx (Posts: 66; Member since: 26 Mar 2013)


talks are just talks and nothing more until something happens. A court is likely forcing the talks but it never guarantees any sort of negotiation. It could be two parties in a room together going "no, we aren't compromising" for an hour.

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 07:29

4. Loubielou (Posts: 206; Member since: 11 Jul 2012)


We All Want this Stupid Episode to Finally become completed,because the others are now copying this Saga,like Nokia with HTC,but with the MWC coming up soon an Samsung releasing some more New Models,then Apple might start doing there best to stop certain phones being released in different countries,

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 07:36 1

6. joey_sfb (Posts: 2780; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


No the consumer have benefited from apple and Samsung cut throat hostility. Both parties are willing to throw in more features lower theirs price within months, throw in more goodie with each purchase.

So competition is sweet.

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 09:13 1

12. tedkord (Posts: 4515; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


No, we haven't. This harms us and competition. The legal costs are huge, and are either passed on to us or taken away from R&D/design. Meanwhile companies have to tiptoe around and avoid obvious solutions to issues and functionality because of overbroad, obvious and prior art patents being asserted for bans instead of licensing agreements.

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 10:14

13. joey_sfb (Posts: 2780; Member since: 29 Mar 2012)


Logically you assumption is correct till you look at the deals they are offering you for your purchase.

Imagine if Apple and Samsung are in bed having a loving relationship how much more could they charge us without competing. If like take it or leave it this is what i think it's a fair price period.

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 13:49

20. tedkord (Posts: 4515; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


They will still be competitors. Having cross licensing wouldn't put them in bed. And there are price fixing laws (as Apple recently found out)

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 08:30

8. rusticguy (Posts: 2826; Member since: 11 Aug 2012)


The fight will continue.

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 08:42

9. box14380 (Posts: 16; Member since: 28 Nov 2013)


I find this news very interesting to both camps of Samsung and Apple coz I'm tired of their patent war saga. At least there is a chance to settle the disputes on patents in a good way.

This will open up good friendship to die-hard fanboys in each camp.

No more bashing I hope. :)

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 09:06

11. nasznjoka (Posts: 333; Member since: 05 Oct 2012)


even apple infringes on Samsung's so its both ways

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 10:23 2

14. Mxyzptlk (Posts: 3336; Member since: 21 Apr 2012)


Samsung abuses FRAND patents. Fair and reasonable don't apply.

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 12:00 2

16. sprockkets (Posts: 1155; Member since: 16 Jan 2012)


The FTC found otherwise when apple said they wouldn't pay royalties until found guilty.

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 13:57 2

21. tedkord (Posts: 4515; Member since: 17 Jun 2009)


Incorrect and dishonest. The legal body of patent law experts that investigated the case found conclusively that Samsung was NOT abusing FRAND patents, but rather were engaging in good faith negotiations and that Apple was abusing the the negotiation process by engaging in a reverse holdup.

Apple was the guilty party. You don't have to like it you just have to live with it.

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 10:50 1

15. androiphone20 (Posts: 1401; Member since: 10 Jul 2013)


$30 for each device made by the Korean giant? Say they make 200m, woah that's a home run

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 13:30

19. johnbftl (Posts: 177; Member since: 09 Jun 2012)


You're living in a place other than reality. You're not taking into account all the figures that go into one handset. Let's use the Galaxy Note 3 as an example. The parts cost of manufacturing one handset is $237.50(US). Now let's add $30 to that the bat. That doesn't include labor costs. It doesn't include the cost of marketing.

Now the MSRP of the Galaxy Note 3 is currently $699.99. That's not what Samsung sells each handset to the carriers wholesale. Let's just put an estimate on it and say they sell the for $550. Given all those factors, knowing last year Samsung spent $401 million on marketing for the Galaxy series of devices and probably even more this year, that doesn't leave a whole lot that it's making per device compared to Apple whose cost to retailers and carriers is generally about $9 below MSRP.

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 12:24 1

17. bumstah (Posts: 12; Member since: 08 Oct 2013)


With all these patent wars, must be nice to be a lawyer these days.

posted on 30 Dec 2013, 22:48

22. roscuthiii (Posts: 1786; Member since: 18 Jul 2010)


Odd, Apple suddenly finds themselves willing to sit down and talk again after Samsung announces they've developed their new LPDDR4 DRAM. (And are or will be taking manufacturers soon.)
Someone doesn't want to get left out...

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